Turkey protesters hold Istanbul square after days of violent clashes (OP)
Residents of Turkey's largest city awoke Sunday to scenes of rain-soaked municipal workers and volunteer activists cleaning up the garbage left after days of violent clashes and angry demonstrations against the government.
Demonstrators remained in control of Taksim Square after Turkish security forces abandoned the district Saturday following 36 hours of vicious clashes.
Protesters erected makeshift barricades at the entrance to the square, which holds huge symbolic importance for Turkey's leftist political parties and labor movement.
Throughout Friday and Saturday, this bustling neighborhood was a battleground as riot police used water cannons, tear gas, pepper spray and armored personnel carriers to prevent protesters from entering this transit and commercial hub at the heart of the city. Saturday afternoon, police withdrew after firing several last volleys of tear gas at crowds, sending thousands of screaming people fleeing for cover.
Police continued to clash with demonstrators in other districts of Istanbul as well as in the capital, Ankara, late Saturday night.
Turkish authorities said more than 900 people have been detained and scores injured in protests and clashes in 30 of Turkey's 81 provinces over the past four days.
What began as a small sit-in to protest against the government's plan to demolish a park in Taksim Square has swelled to the biggest protest movement against Turkey's prime minister since Recep Tayyip Erdogan was elected more than 10 years ago. The crowds have been chanting "Tayyip resign" and "shoulder to shoulder against fascism."
In a televised speech on Sunday, Erdogan remained defiant. "I ask in the name of God, Tayyip Erdogan is a dictator? If you are the kind of person who can call someone who serves their people a dictator then I have no words for you," Erdogan said.
He went on to praise his accomplishments overseeing a decade of unprecedented economic growth in Turkey. He also defended his record as a leader who has planted many trees.
"They are putting on airs saying we massacre trees," he said. "We have planted approximately 2 billion trees."
But many of the demonstrators say their anger is no longer directed against the proposed government plan to demolish Gezi Park, the last green space in central Istanbul.
"This park was just the ignition of all that," said Yakup Efe Tuncay, a 28-year old demonstrator who carried a Turkish flag while walking through the park Saturday. "The Erdogan government is usually considered as authoritarian. He has a big ego; he has this Napoleon syndrome. He takes himself as a sultan. ... He needs to stop doing that. He's just a prime minister."
The scope of the protests shows there is a bigger issue, about freedom of speech and accusations of authoritative government.
"People are entitled to disagreement with the government, they can exercise their democratic rights, but they can do so within the context of a democratic society," Erdogan's chief adviser, Ibrahim Kalin, said Saturday. International human rights groups Amnesty International and Greenpeace have denounced what they describe as excessive use of police force against peaceful protesters.
A spokesman for EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton issued a statement that said Ashton "regrets disproportionate use of force by members of the Turkish police." Ashton also called for talks between the two sides.
Guess he doesn't know the history or what it's like in Turkey, where women who wear black hijab's (where allowed) are called "kara Fatma" (black fatima), a word used to describe cockroaches.
I'm surprised to read this.
I was looking at myself talking to myself and I realized this conversation...I was having with myself looking at myself was a conversation with myself that I needed to have with myself.
Re: Turkey protesters hold Istanbul square after days of violent clashes
format_quote Originally Posted by Perseveranze
Guess he doesn't know the history or what it's like in Turkey, where women who wear black hijab's (where allowed) are called "kara Fatma" (black fatima), a word used to describe cockroaches.
I don't know these things. I never claimed to know these things. In fact, I said repeatedly that I am ignorant of much of Turkish history. All I am guilty of is questioning the motivations of a politician who is attempting to give himself more power.
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I have no idea about Erdogan's personal sincerity or motives - however, what is beyond question is that he is seeking to change the constitution in order to prolong his personal power. His party, the AKP, is in a strong position to win the next election. However, AKP rules forbid the leader from being Prime Minister 3 terms in succession so Erdogan can't stand.
So, he is seeking to change the constitution in order to hugely increase the power of the presidency (currently more or less a ceremonial position) to make it like the US presidency. Whereas now the Prime Minister appoints ministers under parliamentary scrutiny, with Erdogan's new constitution the President would choose his own ministers and in effect rule by presidential decree.
It's the exact strategy employed by Putin, for the same reasons.
In short,he want to make better amendments only to give extension to his own power.Really??Is this how he should do it in a Islamic way.Isn't this smell something fishy?
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btw alarbia is just another name for al3brya.. It is basically Zionist news, the fox news in Arabic, a most vile paper along with Elaph if you've heard of it.
Always consider the source of your knowledge!
Text without context is pretext If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him
Re: Turkey protesters hold Istanbul square after days of violent clashes
format_quote Originally Posted by Signor
In short,he want to make better amendments only to give extension to his own power.Really??Is this how he should do it in a Islamic way.Isn't this smell something fishy?
My point exactly. But be careful, brother, you will be labeled a heretic by the brothers and sisters on this forum.
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I think you missed the point of what br. Signor was trying to say. Also no one is calling anyone a heretic here, we simply point out what isn't compatible with Islam. No one here knows who you're, you can be anyone or anything.
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Let me clear my point.....Its not about being on any sides,I am talking about Eradogan actions in line with his intention.
Seemingly Intention:Makes President seat more stronger by empowering him.
Possible Effect:Amend constitution and bring more Islamic favor laws.
Question arises,this man is on this seat for so long where he have been since?if he loves Islam in such a way why he is siding with Zionists?These things puts a big question mark on future and this is the reason I uses it smells "fishy".
Re: Turkey protesters hold Istanbul square after days of violent clashes
format_quote Originally Posted by Signor
Seemingly Intention:Makes President seat more stronger by empowering him.
This is the point I have been trying to address. Signor has succeeded in making this point clearly, where I seem to have failed.
format_quote Originally Posted by Signor
Possible Effect:Amend constitution and bring more Islamic favor laws.
Yes, this could have favorable results for the Muslim majority of Turkey.
format_quote Originally Posted by Signor
Question arises,this man is on this seat for so long where her have been to?if he loves Islam in such a way why he is siding with Zionists?These things puts a big question mark on future and this is the reason I uses it smells "fishy".
This is a perfect example of being critical of our leaders. I think Muslims all over the world would like to ask Erdogan about his stance on Israel, and how an increase in his power would affect his decisions regarding Israel.
format_quote Originally Posted by Signor
Does it makes sense?
Makes sense to me. But this is a forum, and by definition multiple views and ideas need to be exchanged.
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The protestors are mostly Left-Wing and Communist, They think that Erdogan is Islamizing the country but the protests are started for the "cutting of the Trees and building a Mall" then turned into anti-government protests, one of the reasons for the protest was because Erdogan said: "2 drunk people created the constitution law" referring to ataturk and his friend. They were also protesting for the alcohol ban at night, but alcohol is also banned for the night in some european countries. I dont get the people who show him as "Muslim Hero" or Pious, while he added some Islamic Law, that was one of the things he did good but i dont think Hes implementing Shariah Law or bringing back Khalifa, Hes just making it more Democratic and a litlle bit of Islamic Law. I dont like the allience with the NATO. Hes not pious but Hes the best leader in Turkey for now.
Last edited by Silent Peace; 06-03-2013 at 06:52 PM.
In short,he want to make better amendments only to give extension to his own power.Really??Is this how he should do it in a Islamic way.Isn't this smell something fishy?
Alhamdulillah if this is true. If he can get more power, he can make Islamic reforms like completely removing the Hijab ban (he's tried before, but Secular/Kemalist courts kept overturning his decision, and thus became powerless).
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format_quote Originally Posted by Perseveranze
Alhamdulillah if this is true. If he can get more power, he can make Islamic reforms like completely removing the Hijab ban (he's tried before, but Secular/Kemalist courts kept overturning his decision, and thus became powerless).
May Allah make him successful this time around.
Hijab ban is removed completely already long time ago.
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I thought the Turkish government wanted to join the EU. If the current leader wants to introduce elements of Sharia then would this not be a conflict of interest?
I was looking at myself talking to myself and I realized this conversation...I was having with myself looking at myself was a conversation with myself that I needed to have with myself.
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format_quote Originally Posted by GuestFellow
I thought the Turkish government wanted to join the EU. If the current leader wants to introduce elements of Sharia then would this not be a conflict of interest?
Or am I getting this wrong?
Well Turkish Government still wants to join EU for now. We cant know if the current leader wants to introduce Main elements of Shariah until He does so. You can read about Egemen Bagis. Here is a little information about Him:
Egemen Bağış (born April 23, 1970) is a Turkish politician,
member of the Turkish parliament since November 2002,
current minister for EU Affairs and chief negotiator of Turkey in accession talks with the European Union. His Political Party:Justice and Development Party
There was members from JaD Party at the meeting of bilderberg group in Istanbul, they held a meeting at Istanbul in 2007 after 32 years later.
Foreign Minister Abdullah Gül arranged a special dinner for the participants at the Bilderberg conference who are meeting in Istanbul this year. The Foreign Ministry protocol organized the dinner for about 150 people at Muayede, the biggest hall in Dolmabahçe Palace on Friday.
Last edited by Silent Peace; 06-03-2013 at 08:07 PM.
Re: Turkey protesters hold Istanbul square after days of violent clashes
format_quote Originally Posted by Silent Blade
Well Turkish Government still wants to join EU for now. We cant know if the current leader wants to introduce Main elements of Shariah until He does so. You can read about Egemen Bagis. Here is a little information about Him:
Egemen Bağış (born April 23, 1970) is a Turkish politician,
member of the Turkish parliament since November 2002,
current minister for EU Affairs and chief negotiator of Turkey in accession talks with the European Union. His Political Party:Justice and Development Party
There was members from JaD Party at the meeting of bilderberg group in Istanbul, they held a meeting at Istanbul in 2007 after 32 years later.
I was looking at myself talking to myself and I realized this conversation...I was having with myself looking at myself was a conversation with myself that I needed to have with myself.
Re: Turkey protesters hold Istanbul square after days of violent clashes
format_quote Originally Posted by Silent Blade
Hijab ban is removed completely already long time ago.
Not according to this;
Attempts at lifting ban
Prime Minister Erdogan campaigned in his victorious 2007 campaign with a promise of lifting the longstanding ban on headscarves in public institutions. However, as the Turkish deputies voted in Parliament, tens of thousands protested outside in favour of the ban.[20]
On February 7, 2008, the Turkish Parliament passed an amendment to the constitution, allowing women to wear the headscarf in Turkish universities, arguing that many women would not seek an education if they could not wear the head scarf. The main political party, the Justice and Development Party and a key opposition party, the Nationalist Movement Party claimed that it was an issue of human rights and freedoms.[21][22][23][24] The Parliament voted 403-107 (a majority of 79 per cent) in favour of the first amendment, which was inserted into the constitution stating that everyone has the right to equal treatment from state institutions. However the move resulted in opposition throughout Turkey. The country's educational board and numerous universities vowed to defy the new law. In addition, the main pro-secular, opposition party of the Republican People's Party asked the constitutional court to block the new law passed, and viewed it is a move towards an Islamic state.[25] Thousands of demonstrators supporting the ban also gathered near the Parliament against the move by the government.[26]
Lifting of ban annulled
On 5 June 2008, Turkey's Constitutional Court annulled the parliament's proposed amendment intended to lift the headscarf ban, ruling that removing the ban was against the founding principles of the constitution. The highest court's decision to uphold the headscarf ban cannot be appealed (AP 7 June 2008).[27]
format_quote Originally Posted by Silent Blade
Hes not pious but Hes the best leader in Turkey for now.
Exactly, so people shouldn't support the protesters who are out with the communist, Kemalist, Islamophobic banners.
Last edited by Perseveranze; 06-03-2013 at 08:22 PM.
Re: Turkey protesters hold Istanbul square after days of violent clashes
format_quote Originally Posted by GuestFellow
Thanks for the response
Why are there protests? What is going on exactly?
They protest because:
They think that Erdogan is Islamizing the country.
There was a law that allows the cutting of the Trees and Making a Shopping Mall.
Erdogan said: "2 drunk people created the constitution law" referring to ataturk and his friend.
Erdogan wanted to remove culture center and build an opera house.
He banned alcohol at night around 22:00 and 6:00.
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