× Register Login What's New! Contact us
Muslim children forced to drop 'religious' names in western China

اَللَّهُ أَكْبَرُ اللَّهُ أَكْبَرُ اللَّهُ أَكْبَرُ - لَا إلَهَ إلَّا اللَّهُ وَاَللَّهُ أَكْبَرُ اَللَّهُ أَكْبَرُ وَلِلَّهِ الْحَمْد - اَللَّهُ أَكْبَرُ اللَّهُ أَكْبَرُ اللَّهُ أَكْبَرُ - لَا إلَهَ إلَّا اللَّهُ وَاَللَّهُ أَكْبَرُ اَللَّهُ أَكْبَرُ وَلِلَّهِ الْحَمْد - اَللَّهُ أَكْبَرُ اللَّهُ أَكْبَرُ اللَّهُ أَكْبَرُ - لَا إلَهَ إلَّا اللَّهُ وَاَللَّهُ أَكْبَرُ اَللَّهُ أَكْبَرُ وَلِلَّهِ الْحَمْد - اللَّهُ أَكْبَرُ كَبِيرًا وَالْحَمْدُ لِلَّهِ كَثِيرًا وَسُبْحَانَ اللَّهِ بُكْرَةً وَأَصِيلًا
Four things to do during the blessed 10 days of Dhul-Hijjah
Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 47
  1. #1
    sister herb's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    Finland
    Gender
    Female
    Religion
    Islam
    Posts
    9,158
    Threads
    334
    Reputation
    55815
    Rep Power
    108
    Likes (Given)
    6151
    Likes (Received)
    7269

    Muslim children forced to drop 'religious' names in western China

    Report bad ads?

    Saturday 3 June 2017

    Children under 16 told ‘overly religious’ names such as Saddam, Hajj and Jihad must be changed amid pro-Communist rallies across Xinjiang region

    Muslim children in China’s far western Xinjiang region are being forced to change their “religious” names and adults are being coerced into attending rallies showing devotion to the officially atheist Communist party.

    During Ramadan, the authorities in Xinjiang have ordered all children under 16 to change names where police have determined they are “overly religious”. As many as 15 names have been banned, including Islam, Quran, Mecca, Jihad, Imam, Saddam, Hajj, Medina and Arafat, according to Radio Free Asia.

    In April authorities banned certain names for newborns that were deemed to have religious connotations, but the new order expands forced name changes to anyone under 16, the age at which Chinese citizens are issued a national identity card.

    The order coincided with millions gathering at 50,000 individual rallies across Xinjiang this week to pledge allegiance to the Communist party. More than a quarter of the region’s population sang the national anthem at 9am on 29 May and pledged allegiance to the Communist party, according to state media reports.

    Xinjiang’s Muslims mostly belonging to the Uighur ethnic group, a Turkic people. The region has occasionally seen sporadic violence which China blames on international terrorist groups. But overseas observers say the vast majority of incidents are a result of local grievances.

    Full article: https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-western-china
    1 | Likes cinnamonrolls1 liked this post
    Muslim children forced to drop 'religious' names in western China

    From Occupied Palestine:

    We have suffered too much for too long. We will not accept apartheid masked as peace. We will settle for no less than our freedom.




  2. Report bad ads?
  3. #2
    Mustafa16's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2016
    Gender
    Male
    Religion
    Islam
    Posts
    1,212
    Threads
    402
    Reputation
    2219
    Rep Power
    0
    Likes (Given)
    463
    Likes (Received)
    318

    Re: Muslim children forced to drop 'religious' names in western China

    It's disgusting how almost no Muslims besides ISIS, Al Qaeda, and Turks care about the Uyghur people. This is disgusting what the Chinese are doing. This is what communism does.
    1 | Likes cinnamonrolls1 liked this post

  4. #3
    Serinity's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2016
    Location
    Earth
    Gender
    Male
    Religion
    Islam
    Posts
    2,842
    Threads
    72
    Reputation
    10812
    Rep Power
    23
    Likes (Given)
    1154
    Likes (Received)
    2284

    Re: Muslim children forced to drop 'religious' names in western China



    ISIS would become a good guy if they took over China and North Korea.. Or at least supported the oppressed in Syria.

    If they really speak of an Islamic State, they should help us not kill us.
    1 | Likes happymuslim liked this post
    Muslim children forced to drop 'religious' names in western China

    Meaning of Shirk according to The Qur'an
    " Worshipping anyone or anything besides Allah " or " distributing anything exclusive to Allah, to anyone or anything else "

    Meaning of Tawheed according to The Qur'an
    Worshipping none but Allah. Affirming whatever is exclusive to Him, Him alone.

  5. #4
    sister herb's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    Finland
    Gender
    Female
    Religion
    Islam
    Posts
    9,158
    Threads
    334
    Reputation
    55815
    Rep Power
    108
    Likes (Given)
    6151
    Likes (Received)
    7269

    Re: Muslim children forced to drop 'religious' names in western China

    I wouldn´t blame about this the whole communism but people whose use it wrong. It´s same if one Muslim does something wrong and then the whole religion is guilty.
    3 | Likes greenhill, LaSorcia, cinnamonrolls1 liked this post
    Muslim children forced to drop 'religious' names in western China

    From Occupied Palestine:

    We have suffered too much for too long. We will not accept apartheid masked as peace. We will settle for no less than our freedom.




  6. Report bad ads?
  7. #5
    Mustafa16's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2016
    Gender
    Male
    Religion
    Islam
    Posts
    1,212
    Threads
    402
    Reputation
    2219
    Rep Power
    0
    Likes (Given)
    463
    Likes (Received)
    318

    Re: Muslim children forced to drop 'religious' names in western China

    Quote Originally Posted by sister herb View Post
    I wouldn´t blame about this the whole communism but people whose use it wrong. It´s same if one Muslim does something wrong and then the whole religion is guilty.
    Under communism, there is no incentive to work because everyone makes the same amount of money. The only people who make more money are members of the elite "vanguard party" and they end up worshipping the state. You can not say that every person in a society has the same economic value. Karl Marx, the founder of communism, said that under communism it would be "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need." In the absence of economic incentives, states have to use force to get people to work. Just look at Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin, Lenin, Fidel Castro, Kim Il Sung, Kim Jong Il, Kim Jong Un (although i believe north korea stopped being communist). He also said, "religion is the opium of the masses" meaning people use religion as a reason to justify their poverty. He compared religion to OPIUM. A HARD DRUG.
    1 | Likes Al Khorasani liked this post

  8. #6
    anatolian's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Turkey
    Gender
    Male
    Religion
    Islam
    Posts
    1,492
    Threads
    33
    Reputation
    5064
    Rep Power
    68
    Likes (Given)
    267
    Likes (Received)
    839

    Re: Muslim children forced to drop 'religious' names in western China

    Uyghurs have always been oppressed in China less or more because of their Muslim and Turkic identity. Nothing changes.

  9. #7
    sister herb's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    Finland
    Gender
    Female
    Religion
    Islam
    Posts
    9,158
    Threads
    334
    Reputation
    55815
    Rep Power
    108
    Likes (Given)
    6151
    Likes (Received)
    7269

    Re: Muslim children forced to drop 'religious' names in western China

    I think that many tribes and nations were under the oppression of China long before the communism. So, guilty is not some political & economical ideology. Plus China´s communism is nowadays very pale. You can´t distinguish it from the pure capitalist system. It´s only waisting of time name "communism" as reason for the oppression of Uyghurs.
    Muslim children forced to drop 'religious' names in western China

    From Occupied Palestine:

    We have suffered too much for too long. We will not accept apartheid masked as peace. We will settle for no less than our freedom.




  10. #8
    Zafran's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    Earth -UK
    Gender
    Male
    Religion
    Islam
    Posts
    2,656
    Threads
    17
    Reputation
    12587
    Rep Power
    69
    Likes (Given)
    1018
    Likes (Received)
    495

    Re: Muslim children forced to drop 'religious' names in western China

    salaam

    There is always been unrest with Uigurs in china due to separatism unlike the Hui Muslims.
    1 | Likes cinnamonrolls1 liked this post
    Muslim children forced to drop 'religious' names in western China

    Do you think the pious don't sin?

    They merely:
    Veiled themselves and didn't flaunt it
    Sought forgiveness and didn't persist
    Took ownership of it and don't justify it
    And acted with excellence after they had erred - Ibn al-Qayyim

  11. #9
    Junon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    UK
    Gender
    Male
    Religion
    Islam
    Posts
    2,200
    Threads
    264
    Reputation
    5125
    Rep Power
    59
    Likes (Given)
    247
    Likes (Received)
    371

    Re: Muslim children forced to drop 'religious' names in western China

    Salaam

    Another update

    China’s Muslim banned from using their own language in schools

    Regional government accused of ‘cultural genocide’.


    A majority Muslim group in China have been banned from using its language in schools.

    The Uighur population in the restive western Xinjiang province, are ethnically distinct from China’s majority Han population.

    Recent years have seen bloody clashes in the region, which the Chinese government blames on Islamist militants and separatists. But rights groups say the unrest is more a reaction to repressive policies, and argue that the new measures may end up pushing some Uighurs into extremism.

    Although the Chinese government recognises 56 different ethnic minorities – including Uighurs – in the country, they have tried to crack down on expressions of individuality to create a homogenous society under Communism.

    In late June, the Education Department in Hotan province (Hetian in Chinese) issued an a five-point directive which forbade teaching in the Uighur language in schools.

    Schools must “insist on fully popularising the national common language and writing system according to law, and add the education of ethnic language under the bilingual education basic principle”, Radio Free Asia reported.

    It said schools must ban the use of Uighur language in “collective activities, public activities and management work of the education system” and “resolutely correct the flawed method of providing Uighur language training to Chinese language teachers”.

    When children go back to school in the Autumn, it said that Mandarin “must be resolutely and fully implemented” for the three years of preschool, and then “promoted” from the first years of elementary and middle school “in order to realise the full coverage of the common language and writing system education.”

    It warned that any school which “plays politics” and refuses to implement the edict will be accused of being “two-faced” and shall be “severely punished”.

    The national government in Beijing says it is attempting to introduce a “bilingual system” in the region’s schools to facilitate the dual use of both Mandarin and Uighur, but in practice schools in the region are being forced to be monolingual.

    Ilshat Hassan, the president of the US-based Uighur American Association, said the regional government was breaking China’s own laws on the respect of ethnic minorities.

    Under Articles 10 and 37 of the Chinese constitution, ethnic minorities have a right to preserve their own languages and traditions and students are supposed to be able “where possible [to] use textbooks in their own languages and use these languages as a media of instruction”.

    Mr Hassan said the new policy is designed to “eradicate one of the most ancient Turkic languages in the world.”

    He said: “By enforcing this new policy at the preschool level, the Chinese government intends to kill the Uighur language at the cradle. It is nothing short of cultural genocide. The international community must not allow China to destroy our beautiful language and culture, which has thrived for several millennia.”

    http://www.hizb.org.uk/news-watch/chinas-muslim-banned-using-language-schools/
    1 | Likes AllahIsAl-Malik liked this post

  12. Report bad ads?
  13. #10
    Mustafa16's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2016
    Gender
    Male
    Religion
    Islam
    Posts
    1,212
    Threads
    402
    Reputation
    2219
    Rep Power
    0
    Likes (Given)
    463
    Likes (Received)
    318

    Re: Muslim children forced to drop 'religious' names in western China

    Quote Originally Posted by Junon View Post
    Salaam

    Another update

    China’s Muslim banned from using their own language in schools

    Regional government accused of ‘cultural genocide’.


    A majority Muslim group in China have been banned from using its language in schools.

    The Uighur population in the restive western Xinjiang province, are ethnically distinct from China’s majority Han population.

    Recent years have seen bloody clashes in the region, which the Chinese government blames on Islamist militants and separatists. But rights groups say the unrest is more a reaction to repressive policies, and argue that the new measures may end up pushing some Uighurs into extremism.

    Although the Chinese government recognises 56 different ethnic minorities – including Uighurs – in the country, they have tried to crack down on expressions of individuality to create a homogenous society under Communism.

    In late June, the Education Department in Hotan province (Hetian in Chinese) issued an a five-point directive which forbade teaching in the Uighur language in schools.

    Schools must “insist on fully popularising the national common language and writing system according to law, and add the education of ethnic language under the bilingual education basic principle”, Radio Free Asia reported.

    It said schools must ban the use of Uighur language in “collective activities, public activities and management work of the education system” and “resolutely correct the flawed method of providing Uighur language training to Chinese language teachers”.

    When children go back to school in the Autumn, it said that Mandarin “must be resolutely and fully implemented” for the three years of preschool, and then “promoted” from the first years of elementary and middle school “in order to realise the full coverage of the common language and writing system education.”

    It warned that any school which “plays politics” and refuses to implement the edict will be accused of being “two-faced” and shall be “severely punished”.

    The national government in Beijing says it is attempting to introduce a “bilingual system” in the region’s schools to facilitate the dual use of both Mandarin and Uighur, but in practice schools in the region are being forced to be monolingual.

    Ilshat Hassan, the president of the US-based Uighur American Association, said the regional government was breaking China’s own laws on the respect of ethnic minorities.

    Under Articles 10 and 37 of the Chinese constitution, ethnic minorities have a right to preserve their own languages and traditions and students are supposed to be able “where possible [to] use textbooks in their own languages and use these languages as a media of instruction”.

    Mr Hassan said the new policy is designed to “eradicate one of the most ancient Turkic languages in the world.”

    He said: “By enforcing this new policy at the preschool level, the Chinese government intends to kill the Uighur language at the cradle. It is nothing short of cultural genocide. The international community must not allow China to destroy our beautiful language and culture, which has thrived for several millennia.”

    http://www.hizb.org.uk/news-watch/ch...guage-schools/
    They're doing to the Uighurs what the Turks did to the Kurds. What the US should do is arm the Uighurs (who Erdogan recently declared their separatist organization a terrorist group in an effort to distance himself from US ), namely the moderate Uighur rebels. @anatolian @sister herb
    Last edited by Mustafa16; 08-14-2017 at 12:13 AM.

  14. #11
    sister herb's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    Finland
    Gender
    Female
    Religion
    Islam
    Posts
    9,158
    Threads
    334
    Reputation
    55815
    Rep Power
    108
    Likes (Given)
    6151
    Likes (Received)
    7269

    Re: Muslim children forced to drop 'religious' names in western China

    The USA isn´t going to arm Uighurs as it´s political and economical ties with China are more important to them than rights of some minority group in China. Plus at this time USA also needs China to the same front againts North Korea.

    Also, don´t bring Turks and Erdogan to every topics. Soon this topic too is full of gulenists and erdoganists. It´s possible that also few kemalists and ottomanists will follow. Let´s keep this thread in China.
    2 | Likes Junon, cinnamonrolls1 liked this post
    Muslim children forced to drop 'religious' names in western China

    From Occupied Palestine:

    We have suffered too much for too long. We will not accept apartheid masked as peace. We will settle for no less than our freedom.




  15. #12
    Junon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    UK
    Gender
    Male
    Religion
    Islam
    Posts
    2,200
    Threads
    264
    Reputation
    5125
    Rep Power
    59
    Likes (Given)
    247
    Likes (Received)
    371

    Re: Muslim children forced to drop 'religious' names in western China

    Salaam

    Another update


  16. #13
    Junon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    UK
    Gender
    Male
    Religion
    Islam
    Posts
    2,200
    Threads
    264
    Reputation
    5125
    Rep Power
    59
    Likes (Given)
    247
    Likes (Received)
    371

    Re: Muslim children forced to drop 'religious' names in western China

    Salaam

    A quick summary of whats going on


  17. #14
    Junon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    UK
    Gender
    Male
    Religion
    Islam
    Posts
    2,200
    Threads
    264
    Reputation
    5125
    Rep Power
    59
    Likes (Given)
    247
    Likes (Received)
    371

    Re: Muslim children forced to drop 'religious' names in western China

    Salaam

    Another update

    Pakistanis distressed as Uighur wives vanish in China dragnet

    "China is our friend and this incident will leave a bad taste," according to Javed Hussain, a member of the local assembly for the Pakistani region that borders Xinjiang.

    Every autumn on the mountainous Karakoram Highway, part of the ancient Silk Road, groups of Pakistani merchants living in China's far west would wave goodbye to their Chinese wives and cross the border to spend winter in their home country.

    As the snow piled high, the men would stay in touch with their families by phone, longing for the spring thaw that would allow them to be reunited in Xinjiang. But last year many of their calls suddenly went unanswered. Their families, they learned, had disappeared into a growing network of shadowy "reeducation centres" that have swept up the region's Uighur Muslim minority over fears of militancy crossing the border from Pakistan.

    "My wife and kids were taken away by the Chinese authorities in March last year and I haven't heard from them since," said Iqbal, a Pakistani businessman who declined to give his surname over concern about his family's safety.

    Last July, he headed to China to find them, but was turned away at the border. Authorities "said my wife was in 'training' and the government was taking care of my kids", he told AFP.

    "I begged them to let me talk to my daughters, but they refused."

    Iqbal is one of dozens of merchants from Gilgit-Baltistan who return to Pakistan for visa reasons or to run their businesses and have been unable to contact their Uighur families living in China, according to Javed Hussain, a member of the local assembly for the Pakistani region that borders Xinjiang. Earlier this month, the delegates passed a unanimous resolution protesting the "illegal detention" of the men's families.

    "The Chinese authorities should at least allow the men to meet their wives and children," Hussain said.

    "China is our friend and this incident will leave a bad taste."

    China's foreign ministry said that the "two sides are maintaining communication about problems related to interactions between both countries' people", while Pakistan's said the issue was being "actively discussed with the government of China".

    'Eliminating extremism'

    Like many of the men, Iqbal's family lived in Kashgar, an ancient city along the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), a trade route connecting China's far west to the Arabian Sea port of Gwadar. In recent years, China has heavily pushed its relationship with Pakistan, investing tens of billions of dollars in CPEC infrastructure projects in the country, and Beijing has upgraded the treacherous mountain road connecting Gilgit-Baltistan to Xinjiang.

    But China has had difficulty reconciling its desire for development with fears that Uighur separatists will import violence from Pakistan. Chinese authorities have long linked their crackdown on Xinjiang's Muslims to international counter-terrorism, arguing that separatists are bent on joining foreign militants like al Qaeda. Uighurs have been tied to mass stabbings and bombings that left dozens dead in recent years across the country. Riots and clashes with the government killed hundreds more.

    Over the past year, China has turned to increasingly drastic methods to eliminate what it describes as the "three forces": terrorists, religious extremists and separatists. In 2017, the government flooded Xinjiang with tens of thousands of security personnel, with police stations on nearly every block in urban areas and tough regulations to "eliminate extremism". This included the increased use of compulsory "reeducation" for anyone suspected of harbouring separatist sympathies.

    'Threat' from Pakistan

    Iqbal and the other Pakistani men believe their wives - and even business associates - have been targeted because they received calls and messages from Pakistan.

    "Any communication from Pakistan is considered a threat," said Qurban, a businessman who has worked in Kashgar for over 30 years.

    "One of my employees, a Uighur, was picked up two years back just because he was in touch with me when I went to Pakistan."

    Chinese authorities have denied the existence of reeducation centres. But regulations against militancy adopted by Xinjiang last March call for authorities to step up political reeducation. In Kashgar alone, more than 120,000 people - about three percent of the area's population - were being held in the facilities in January, according to Radio Free Asia. An AFP review of state media reports and government documents verified the existence of at least 30 such centres and almost 4,000 cases of people being sent to them.

    Regulations posted on a local website in Xinjiang's Hejing county explained that even minor transgressions of strict religious regulations can be punished with up to three months in a centre. Ali, a businessman who lost contact with his wife in December, said she had been taken by authorities to do a "sort of training where they teach them about Communism and prepare them to be patriotic citizens".

    "My wife told me that Chinese police had come to her house and asked her about the calls from Pakistan and asked her to explain her links with ETIM," said Ali, referring to the East Turkestan Islamic Movement, a militant group China has accused of attempting to foment Uighur separatism.

    He plans to cross the border in May to find his family, but has been told his children are in the custody of the Chinese government and doesn't know if he will see them again.

    "They never tell you anything, they just say your family will come back to you when they finish their training."

    https://www.trtworld.com/asia/pakistanis-distressed-as-uighur-wives-vanish-in-china-dragnet-16204

  18. Report bad ads?
  19. #15
    JustTime's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2017
    Gender
    Male
    Religion
    Islam
    Posts
    273
    Threads
    39
    Reputation
    83
    Rep Power
    5
    Likes (Given)
    26
    Likes (Received)
    63

    Re: Muslim children forced to drop 'religious' names in western China

    And there are Murtads on this forum who praise Russia and North Korea the biggest allies of China, Assad and Iran.
    Muslim children forced to drop 'religious' names in western China


    يا قافلة الخير
    "The Persian aggression against Iraq was a result of the arrogant, racialist and evil attitudes of the ruling clique in Iran."
    -Saddam Hussein Abd al-Majid at-Tikriti -
    العراق جمجمة العرب ورمح الله في الأرض



  20. #16
    JustTime's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2017
    Gender
    Male
    Religion
    Islam
    Posts
    273
    Threads
    39
    Reputation
    83
    Rep Power
    5
    Likes (Given)
    26
    Likes (Received)
    63

    Re: Muslim children forced to drop 'religious' names in western China

    Quote Originally Posted by sister herb View Post
    The USA isn´t going to arm Uighurs as it´s political and economical ties with China are more important to them than rights of some minority group in China. Plus at this time USA also needs China to the same front againts North Korea.

    Also, don´t bring Turks and Erdogan to every topics. Soon this topic too is full of gulenists and erdoganists. It´s possible that also few kemalists and ottomanists will follow. Let´s keep this thread in China.
    The Munafiq Erdogan loves Russia and China,
    And those of you ignorant in this regard just look up The Shanghai Cooperation Organisation
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shan...n_Organisation
    This is what Erdogan the Munafiq stands for
    Muslim children forced to drop 'religious' names in western China


    يا قافلة الخير
    "The Persian aggression against Iraq was a result of the arrogant, racialist and evil attitudes of the ruling clique in Iran."
    -Saddam Hussein Abd al-Majid at-Tikriti -
    العراق جمجمة العرب ورمح الله في الأرض



  21. #17
    azc's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2016
    Gender
    Male
    Religion
    Islam
    Posts
    5,577
    Threads
    306
    Reputation
    19937
    Rep Power
    31
    Likes (Given)
    689
    Likes (Received)
    1993

    Re: Muslim children forced to drop 'religious' names in western China

    Quote Originally Posted by JustTime View Post
    The Munafiq Erdogan loves Russia and China,
    And those of you ignorant in this regard just look up The Shanghai Cooperation Organisation
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shan...n_Organisation
    This is what Erdogan the Munafiq stands for
    So you have personal enmity with Erdogan.

    Quote Originally Posted by JustTime View Post
    And there are Murtads on this forum who praise Russia and North Korea the biggest allies of China, Assad and Iran.
    How many murtads are on the forum...?

  22. #18
    AllahIsAl-Malik's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2018
    Location
    Dar al-Kufr
    Gender
    Male
    Religion
    Islam
    Posts
    65
    Threads
    6
    Reputation
    248
    Rep Power
    3
    Likes (Given)
    191
    Likes (Received)
    33

    Re: Muslim children forced to drop 'religious' names in western China

    How can any Muslims defend communism?

    If you can take some of their ideas and apply them from an Islamic standpoint, I don't think that is wrong. For example, I have a book by Imran Hosein where he mentions a strategy of Mao.

    Some of them have interesting things to say. For example, Che had some interesting things to say. Fidel said some true things. Mao had some interesting ideas. I read Lenin's book on imperialism and I liked it.

    But unless you are taking bits and pieces and removing everything that goes against Islam, I don't think we should be for communism.

    If Marx wants to critique capitalism, I don't really care. He might have had some points.

    In Somalia, they had a mixture of socialism and Islam. In Latin America, they had theology of liberation where they were Christian socialists.

    I think that sort of thing sounds intriguing. As long as Muslims are Muslims who happen to be curious about Marx and who reject everything that goes against Islam, I don't think it's wrong.

    But if that's the approach, I think we should be fiercely attacking Marx wherever he goes against Islam.

    The other thing is you would have to seriously know Islam very, very well and be very rooted in Islamic knowledge to make sure that nothing that goes against Islam is accepted.

    But communism in the Chinese form where they are trying to force atheism on people... that is wrong. That the Chinese communists are oppressing Muslims is wrong and makes me angry. I think there might be something interesting if Marx is reinterpreted from an Islamic point of view, whatever grains of truth he presents are shown and wherever he is wrong he is fiercely attacked. But honestly, Islam has zakat and so there's already a form of socialism built into it. And reading Marx could be dangerous. I think only from a very firm foundation of Islamic knowledge would it be reasonable to try to dig and find what okay ideas he has. But what is unquestionable I think is that standard, atheistic communism is evil and should be fiercely opposed. I am disgusted and by China's oppression of Muslims. It makes me sad because how can China claim to be following Lenin? Lenin did write a book that I really liked called "Imperialism the Highest Stage of Capitalism"... how can China claim to be anti-imperialist, have criticized the Soviets for imperialism and then impose imperialism on Muslims? And if Lenin himself forced atheism then he went against what he himself claimed to stand for.

    I feel like we are living in 1984 where the banner of anti-imperialism is carried by people who themselves are imperialists a la 1984's concept of DoubleSpeak.
    1 | Likes Al Khorasani liked this post

  23. #19
    JustTime's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2017
    Gender
    Male
    Religion
    Islam
    Posts
    273
    Threads
    39
    Reputation
    83
    Rep Power
    5
    Likes (Given)
    26
    Likes (Received)
    63

    Re: Muslim children forced to drop 'religious' names in western China

    Quote Originally Posted by AllahIsAl-Malik View Post
    How can any Muslims defend communism?

    If you can take some of their ideas and apply them from an Islamic standpoint, I don't think that is wrong. For example, I have a book by Imran Hosein where he mentions a strategy of Mao.

    Some of them have interesting things to say. For example, Che had some interesting things to say. Fidel said some true things. Mao had some interesting ideas. I read Lenin's book on imperialism and I liked it.

    But unless you are taking bits and pieces and removing everything that goes against Islam, I don't think we should be for communism.

    If Marx wants to critique capitalism, I don't really care. He might have had some points.

    In Somalia, they had a mixture of socialism and Islam. In Latin America, they had theology of liberation where they were Christian socialists.

    I think that sort of thing sounds intriguing. As long as Muslims are Muslims who happen to be curious about Marx and who reject everything that goes against Islam, I don't think it's wrong.

    But if that's the approach, I think we should be fiercely attacking Marx wherever he goes against Islam.

    The other thing is you would have to seriously know Islam very, very well and be very rooted in Islamic knowledge to make sure that nothing that goes against Islam is accepted.

    But communism in the Chinese form where they are trying to force atheism on people... that is wrong. That the Chinese communists are oppressing Muslims is wrong and makes me angry. I think there might be something interesting if Marx is reinterpreted from an Islamic point of view, whatever grains of truth he presents are shown and wherever he is wrong he is fiercely attacked. But honestly, Islam has zakat and so there's already a form of socialism built into it. And reading Marx could be dangerous. I think only from a very firm foundation of Islamic knowledge would it be reasonable to try to dig and find what okay ideas he has. But what is unquestionable I think is that standard, atheistic communism is evil and should be fiercely opposed. I am disgusted and by China's oppression of Muslims. It makes me sad because how can China claim to be following Lenin? Lenin did write a book that I really liked called "Imperialism the Highest Stage of Capitalism"... how can China claim to be anti-imperialist, have criticized the Soviets for imperialism and then impose imperialism on Muslims? And if Lenin himself forced atheism then he went against what he himself claimed to stand for.

    I feel like we are living in 1984 where the banner of anti-imperialism is carried by people who themselves are imperialists a la 1984's concept of DoubleSpeak.
    It's a sad world we live in were Muslims defend Communism this isn't new and isn't going anywhere soon make Dua for the sincere.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Quote Originally Posted by azc View Post
    So you have personal enmity with Erdogan.


    How many murtads are on the forum...?
    Personal? Yes it is because this Ummah is a body and when one part of such a body aches the entire body responds and Erdogan has murdered, lied, and cheated this Ummah. I used to like him then I became a Muslim.

    As for the number? Wa Allahu alim
    2 | Likes AllahIsAl-Malik, Al Khorasani liked this post
    Muslim children forced to drop 'religious' names in western China


    يا قافلة الخير
    "The Persian aggression against Iraq was a result of the arrogant, racialist and evil attitudes of the ruling clique in Iran."
    -Saddam Hussein Abd al-Majid at-Tikriti -
    العراق جمجمة العرب ورمح الله في الأرض



  24. Report bad ads?
  25. #20
    azc's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2016
    Gender
    Male
    Religion
    Islam
    Posts
    5,577
    Threads
    306
    Reputation
    19937
    Rep Power
    31
    Likes (Given)
    689
    Likes (Received)
    1993

    Re: Muslim children forced to drop 'religious' names in western China

    Quote Originally Posted by JustTime View Post
    It's a sad world we live in were Muslims defend Communism this isn't new and isn't going anywhere soon make Dua for the sincere.

    - - - Updated - - -


    Personal? Yes it is because this Ummah is a body and when one part of such a body aches the entire body responds and Erdogan has murdered, lied, and cheated this Ummah. I used to like him then I became a Muslim.

    As for the number? Wa Allahu alim
    Being too bold, sometimes, entails kufr

  26. Hide
Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Hey there! Muslim children forced to drop 'religious' names in western China Looks like you're enjoying the discussion, but you're not signed up for an account.

When you create an account, we remember exactly what you've read, so you always come right back where you left off. You also get notifications, here and via email, whenever new posts are made. And you can like posts and share your thoughts. Muslim children forced to drop 'religious' names in western China
Sign Up

Similar Threads

  1. Western Forces Kill 16 Afghanis -Children and Women
    By TrueStranger in forum General
    Replies: 7
    Last Post: 03-11-2012, 05:23 PM
  2. Replies: 0
    Last Post: 12-20-2011, 10:07 AM
  3. Western China city seeks to banish Muslim veil
    By islamica in forum World Affairs
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 12-18-2011, 04:00 AM
  4. Replies: 0
    Last Post: 08-18-2010, 02:02 PM
  5. Teaching religious fundamentals to children
    By iqbal_soofi in forum General
    Replies: 16
    Last Post: 01-12-2007, 09:47 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
create