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    Like to share, very informative

    Focus on Europe



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    Re: Geopolitics of Turkey - Europe, Asia

    Salaam

    Another update. Agree, disagree?


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    Re: Geopolitics of Turkey - Europe, Asia

    Caspian Report is spot on with his observations. In one of the three video's he said that the only real problem for Turkey is the wealth gap between the East and the West and the government knows this. The Turkish government actually promotes investors to invest in projects in the East of the country (think lower taxes).

    Overal I think that the direction Erdogan is taking is a good one, though he is not perfect, he is the best we practising Muslims in Turkey currently have.
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    Erdogan is absolutely pathetic and a hypocritical liar. He cries for Muslims in Syria whilst ordering his loyal warlord pawns to attack other sincere Muslims and while acting like he cares about Syrian Muslims he does not have this same level of concern or care for our brothers and sisters in Iraq in fact he even supports the Safawi Iraqi government which is absolutely no different than Assad's government.

    He is the reason Assad won in Aleppo and he will be the reason why the Muslims of Syria will lose the war.

    Erdogan is a Murtad and should not be admired or revered for he is nothing more than a ploy of Shaytan to deceive sincere Muslims.

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    Re: Geopolitics of Turkey - Europe, Asia

    Quote Originally Posted by JustTime View Post
    Erdogan is absolutely pathetic and a hypocritical liar. He cries for Muslims in Syria whilst ordering his loyal warlord pawns to attack other sincere Muslims and while acting like he cares about Syrian Muslims he does not have this same level of concern or care for our brothers and sisters in Iraq in fact he even supports the Safawi Iraqi government which is absolutely no different than Assad's government.

    He is the reason Assad won in Aleppo and he will be the reason why the Muslims of Syria will lose the war.

    Erdogan is a Murtad and should not be admired or revered for he is nothing more than a ploy of Shaytan to deceive sincere Muslims.
    Although I am not an Erdogan-fan, I must say that this issue with Iraq is a bit more complicated than you are describing here.
    We have a major problem with the PKK (which is the Kurdistan Workers' Party). They terrorize the country, especially in the eastern part of Turkey and get a lot of support (money and weapons) from kurdi's from northern Iraq.

    PKK tries to claim eastern Turkey as a part of Kurdistan by force. this Kurdish terrorism increased every year. They want independance, a Kurdistan.
    The real reason behind this terrorism is of course money. Eastern Turkey has a lot of oil and because of the treaty of lausanne II, Turkey is not allowed to drill for oil, nor to explore it.
    But in 2023 this treaty is 100 years old and it will expire, which would allow Turkey to finally start its oil exploration.
    The PKK also knows this and that is why they want Eastern Turkey so badly.
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    Turkish mindset? If you love me I fight for you, if you dont love me I fight with you..
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    Re: Geopolitics of Turkey - Europe, Asia

    Quote Originally Posted by umie View Post
    Although I am not an Erdogan-fan, I must say that this issue with Iraq is a bit more complicated than you are describing here.
    We have a major problem with the PKK (which is the Kurdistan Workers' Party). They terrorize the country, especially in the eastern part of Turkey and get a lot of support (money and weapons) from kurdi's from northern Iraq.

    PKK tries to claim eastern Turkey as a part of Kurdistan by force. this Kurdish terrorism increased every year. They want independance, a Kurdistan.
    The real reason behind this terrorism is of course money. Eastern Turkey has a lot of oil and because of the treaty of lausanne II, Turkey is not allowed to drill for oil, nor to explore it.
    But in 2023 this treaty is 100 years old and it will expire, which would allow Turkey to finally start its oil exploration.
    The PKK also knows this and that is why they want Eastern Turkey so badly.
    I understand PKK is the Jamaat of Hellfire and degeneracy promoting homosexuality, fornication and a form of nationalism that is level of Shirk. However Erdogan's action in Iraq are unacceptable by any Muslim with an ounce of knowledge in basic Fiqh and some of his actions in Syria as well. In Iraq he supported the Iraqi Government which is more evil than even the PKK Ocalan worshipping Atheists. Though PKK seeks a degenerate society they dont curse and abuse and lie upon the Sahaba and Salaf us Salih they dont want to marxh into Makkah raising banners saying Ya Hussein they dont abuse Muslims for being Muslim they abuse Arabs and Turks for nationalist reasons which isnt good but nothing is as bad as someone who knowingly wages war on our Deen like the Rafidha Safawis and their allies like Russia.

    Erdogan perhaps didnt want to support ISIS in Iraq however there are other Sunni armed groups which would have gladly taken care of the Kurds and the Iraqi Safawi regime like Saddam's former army they would have gladly taken Erdogan's help they even asked for it yet he ignored them and favored those who curse the companions.

    In Syria he encourages Muslims to kill Muslims look at Idlib right now he wants the FSA to attack other groups just to expand his influence, he does not seek Islam he seeks power and greed verily he is a cursed man and his followers are too a cursed people and will be the ones who will welcome the Dajjal later on.
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    Re: Geopolitics of Turkey - Europe, Asia

    The speaker in the videos is making a major mistake with separating the country as “Marmara “ and “Anatolia” in terms of economic and religious or cultural conservation. There are all kind of people on every part of the country but the west is generally wealthier than the east because of the number of investments.
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    Re: Geopolitics of Turkey - Europe, Asia

    Salaam

    Thanks for the info. Has the east of the country received much investment since Erdogan took power? Do you think the east could 'catch up' with the west economically?

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    One thing that I understand about communist...

    The language they only understand is violence...
    Non of their words can be trusted...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lautrec View Post
    One thing that I understand about communist...

    The language they only understand is violence...
    Non of their words can be trusted...
    Mao Tse Tung said, "All communists must face the truth, political power grows out of the barrel of the gun."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Junon View Post
    Salaam

    Thanks for the info. Has the east of the country received much investment since Erdogan took power? Do you think the east could 'catch up' with the west economically?
    Aleykum salaam. The gap between east and west didnt change in the AKP rule. Maybe even increased. But I cannot blame the government totally. There is terror on the east of the country and keeps the investor away from the region. AKP turns to totally capitalist economy. They sell anything of the state which is sellable. However the special investor doesnt want to buy something under the risk of terror. There must be a semi socialist policy on the east of Turkey for people’s benefit, I believe.
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    It is not worthy, nor possible to evaluate President Erdogan's (geopolitical) actions according to Islamic values. For, he is representing a nationalist secular regime. So he is formally ought to champion state interest. And in addition he may consider in our case the interest of Iraqi Turkmens following the general pan-Turkist sentiment in Turkish public. But there is no other way around.

    In my opinion, Muslims should rather
    focus on criticizing and rejecting political participation under the banner of secular states. The constitution of the Turkish Republic, for example, contains the dogmatic principle that all political parties must pledge their adherence to secularism and the secular-nationalist principles laid down by Ataturk. In such conditions it is impossible for a Muslim to claim that he is striving for the sake of Islam, because in formal reality he represents the secular-nationalist state entity and is coerced to act according its guidelines. Catering to such a state of paradox and adopting a double-faced identity is obviously hypocrisy, even if it is supposed to advocate the rights of Muslims. Moreover, according to Islamic fiqh it is not even legitimate for people in position of leadership to conceal their identity (taqiyyah) to evade pernicious difficulties or threats. I explained this part because many of Erdogan's Muslim advocates forward this inadmissible pretext for his actions.
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    That is why I never have and never will participate in the political process of the kuffar and their man-made laws.
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    Yeah, don't participate in politic, just wait and see until the regime start to criminalize islamic teaching and promote bid'ah... just like chinese communist puppet that control my country right now...
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    Re: Geopolitics of Turkey - Europe, Asia

    Quote Originally Posted by Lautrec View Post
    Yeah, don't participate in politic, just wait and see until the regime start to criminalize islamic teaching and promote bid'ah... just like chinese communist puppet that control my country right now...
    You're chinese? Sorry to be nosy( you can yell at me if its personal, i wont get upset lol) but are you ughyur or hui? I was just researching islam in china like a week ago and its amazing subhanallah

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lautrec View Post
    Yeah, don't participate in politic, just wait and see until the regime start to criminalize islamic teaching and promote bid'ah... just like chinese communist puppet that control my country right now...
    Politics and formal political participation in the form of state political parties are not the same. If you are from East Turkestan, I would say that the exact reason for a diminished resistance is the participation of some Uyghurs in the Chinese' regime apparatus, be it Police, Administration or Education. Firstly, you can in no way achieve your main goal; independence and sovereignty, by complying to their system. By comprising in this way only minor advantages can be obtained, like less physical oppression. But after entering this path of political participation of the invaders' system, you can never return and claim independence. This seems especially impossible in the case of an authoritarian communist regime. They are already coercing demographic changes by settling Han Chinese in Turkestan. And the first compromise is always followed by further compromises.

    To my view, the most efficient, and at the same time legitimate (according to Islam), approach to follow would be to reject Chinese authority along all its administrative apparatus. Uyghurs should spread the awareness of not joining any government entity and form their own communit(ies). In the end the Chinese will turn desperate and the impervious resistance of the Uyghurs and their insistence on great demands (not merely the allay of oppression) will show its fruitage with the permission of Allah. This path may be difficult and require sacrifices, as the oppression would increase - but the most expedient way (political participation) is not always the right way.

    And actually this is the Islamic way when there is no possibility for an armed resistance. This is how Prophet Muhammad (sallalllahu alayhi wa sallam) commenced his dawah in Mecca. He did not accept the proposal of the polytheists to be appointed the leader of Darun' Nadwa, a kind of tribal parliament in the Meccan city state where decisions of war etc. were taken. He did not even need to be elected one time and accelerate power, he could be directly appointed and obtain the authority, but he refused and exclaimed that he will continue his dawah the way Allah commanded him to.
    Muslims are ought to preserve their own community under invasion and try to live according to the shariah of Allah as much as they can. And I believe that the absence of this approach is rather due to the lack of conscious organisation among Muslim than the difficulty of the method.
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    I'm in a country with largest "muslim" population

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    Quote Originally Posted by cinnamonrolls1 View Post
    You're chinese? Sorry to be nosy( you can yell at me if its personal, i wont get upset lol) but are you ughyur or hui? I was just researching islam in china like a week ago and its amazing subhanallah
    If you are muslim, then I have no problem with you, but my problem is with china communist puppet that run my country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lautrec View Post
    If you are muslim, then I have no problem with you, but my problem is with china communist puppet that run my country.
    And I have problem with china communist party, xin jin pooh and all communist around the world.

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