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    Multiple fatalities in shooting at Christchurch mosques (OP)


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    - About 40 died

    - Perpetrator White Australian

    - Apparantly he was livestreaming the whole thing while playing "Remove Kebab" song at background

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    My point is it has nothing to do with employment status. Kevin Macdonald was a professor in university and I think David Duke was in US congress (?)

    It has completely to do with White supremacy and the belief that those people have that their race is superior because of the last 200 years. This is the core issue.

    As for "jihadists" most of that is due to Western invasion, which is a completely different discourse.
    and you think these guys are not motivated by what they view as "Middle-Eastern Invasion"?

    Nevertheless, "Jihadists" (as a general term) also target other Muslims whom they view as Takfir, heretics, whatever. It didn't take the presence of westerners to prevent Muslims from different sects and tribes from killing each other.

    (Timothy McVeigh killed hundreds of white people when he bombed the Federal Building in Oklahoma).

    The common thread here is people who are looking to blame everything on the "other", and to take out their frustrations in violent ways. Instead of looking for social, political, or religious change and reform, they try to gt famous by blowing themselves and others up, shooting up mosques or churches, etc.

    There is no moral high-ground here. We are all flawed human beings with the capacity for evil if we lose sight of God and our moral foundations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CuriousonTruth View Post
    You live in Poland?
    It is crazy to suggest a large portion, or a majority, of people in the west condone the attacks. Aside from some closet crazy people, the attacks have been almost universally condemned, and many are sickened by the whole thing.

    Are westerners to assume that a majority of Muslims condone 911 or driving trucks into crowds of innocent people? I certainly don't assume that, and I haven't met a Muslim outside of the Internet who has anything but disgust for such things.

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    Re: Multiple fatalities in shooting at Christchurch mosques

    What's more concerning is that the virulent Muslim hating began to be pushed heavily by corrupt crooks in governments which excercise control in the u.n and by the leaders of mass media after the staged false flag of 9/11, and that the dumbest of the masses are simply following their cues.
    The solutions are not likely to come from the same people - especially since we know that they've been indoctrinating and training the soldiers under their guardianship to commit such crimes, it is like watching a repeat of the kevin sites fallujah mosque massacres by american soldiers absent the expletives.

    Here's the fallujah incident heavily cut:

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    Re: Multiple fatalities in shooting at Christchurch mosques

    Quote Originally Posted by Silas View Post
    and you think these guys are not motivated by what they view as "Middle-Eastern Invasion"?

    Nevertheless, "Jihadists" (as a general term) also target other Muslims whom they view as Takfir, heretics, whatever. It didn't take the presence of westerners to prevent Muslims from different sects and tribes from killing each other.

    (Timothy McVeigh killed hundreds of white people when he bombed the Federal Building in Oklahoma).

    The common thread here is people who are looking to blame everything on the "other", and to take out their frustrations in violent ways. Instead of looking for social, political, or religious change and reform, they try to gt famous by blowing themselves and others up, shooting up mosques or churches, etc.

    There is no moral high-ground here. We are all flawed human beings with the capacity for evil if we lose sight of God and our moral foundations.
    Yes and you really think immigration is same as being tortured in Bagram or losing family via bombing in was you had no part in? Kebab stalls in Paris is same as military bases in Afghanistan?

    Even the anti-shia sentiment is politically driven, before the Syrian war Iran (and Ahmedinejad) were the most popular country across the Middle East. It was after the Syrian war that the public sentiment changed against shias.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silas View Post
    It is crazy to suggest a large portion, or a majority, of people in the west condone the attacks. Aside from some closet crazy people, the attacks have been almost universally condemned, and many are sickened by the whole thing.

    Are westerners to assume that a majority of Muslims condone 911 or driving trucks into crowds of innocent people? I certainly don't assume that, and I haven't met a Muslim outside of the Internet who has anything but disgust for such things.
    Why would it be? That's all I see from opinions of Western people (and also hindus). I mean all you need to do is to scroll down the comments in "old right-wing" channel like PragerU or the newer "punk" alt-right channels like RedIce TV.

    It's not only muslims though, just like Constantinople there are also those who want to "re-conquer" South Africa and Rhodesia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abz2000 View Post
    What's more concerning is that the virulent Muslim hating began to be pushed heavily by corrupt crooks in governments which excercise control in the u.n and by the leaders of mass media after the staged false flag of 9/11, and that the dumbest of the masses are simply following their cues.
    The solutions are not likely to come from the same people - especially since we know that they've been indoctrinating and training tteir soldiers to commit such crimes, it is like watching a repeat of the kevin sites fallujah mosque massacres by american soldiers absent the expletives.
    I am surprised by this. European anti-islam sentiment is far older than 9/11.

    There's a reason Curzon said, "We can never allow a caliphate or any political establishment of Islam to rise again."

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    Re: Multiple fatalities in shooting at Christchurch mosques

    Quote Originally Posted by CuriousonTruth View Post
    Yes and you really think immigration is same as being tortured in Bagram or losing family via bombing in was you had no part in? Kebab stalls in Paris is same as military bases in Afghanistan?

    Even the anti-shia sentiment is politically driven, before the Syrian war Iran (and Ahmedinejad) were the most popular country across the Middle East. It was after the Syrian war that the public sentiment changed against shias.

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    Why would it be? That's all I see from opinions of Western people (and also hindus). I mean all you need to do is to scroll down the comments in "old right-wing" channel like PragerU or the newer "punk" alt-right channels like RedIce TV.

    It's not only muslims though, just like Constantinople there are also those who want to "re-conquer" South Africa and Rhodesia.
    As I have pointed out many times before, many Americans, myself included, want the US out of the Middle-East entirely. We want the bases closed. We don't want our government to send 40 billion in military aid to Israel every year. I would say 65-75% of Americans hold this view. Did a little girl who was run over by a jihadist in Sweden have anything to do with American military actions in the Middle-East? Sweden isn't even involved with that.

    ISIS made the direct claim via a press release that this has nothing to with imperialism or western presence in Muslim lands. ISIS came right out and said even if every western government were to vacate Muslim lands, their fighters would go overseas and kill westerners --simply because they are infidels. Not even religious colonization: outright genocide.

    No excuse can be made for these people, just as no excuse can be made for the evil guy who gunned down Muslims in New Zealand.

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    Re: Multiple fatalities in shooting at Christchurch mosques

    I hope that dirty scumbag who had shot those innocent mosque visitors and his entire supporters behind the computer screen will face the sudden frighten and merciless face of death, die violently and will burn in hell for eternity, and I truly hope they all die without knowing the truth of Islam and accepting it so that they all can burn in hell for eternity! May ALLAH not make them believers so that they all burn in hell for eternity. My opinion
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    Re: Multiple fatalities in shooting at Christchurch mosques

    Quote Originally Posted by CuriousonTruth View Post
    You live in Poland?
    No, but you guessed well the geographic region. (bölgeyi iyi tahmin ettin, ben de ortadoğu Avrupa'da yaşıyorum, ama polonya'da değil, macaristan'da)

    What is creepy that the "Great Replacement" conspiracy that this article
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-47579243 mentions as an online conspiracy is basicly what the official government propaganda tells here for years by now on all media channels....

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    Re: Multiple fatalities in shooting at Christchurch mosques

    Quote Originally Posted by alfaqir View Post
    I have no authority in the matter, but i would like to ask you NOT to post it, or to the mods NOT to allow it. Show some respect to the victims and their families and don't assist this terrorist's propaganda video. I personally favor very strict gun control, but i don't think that is the issue now, rather the threat that the alt-right islamophobes are an increasing physical threat to us and this attack raises the issue that our mosques in the non-muslim countries need higher security, similarly how synagogues usually have already, police presence, armed security guards, metal detectors... i wonder will we also need these?
    Allah SWT said:

    وَاتَّخَذُوا مِنْ دُونِ اللَّهِ ءَالِهَةً لَّعَلَّهُمْ يُنْصَرُونَ
    "But they have taken besides Allah [false] deities that perhaps they would be helped."
    (QS. Yaseen 36: Verse 74)

    * Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com


    Allah SWT said:

    لَا يَسْتَطِيعُونَ نَصْرَهُمْ وَهُمْ لَهُمْ جُنْدٌ مُّحْضَرُونَ
    "They are not able to help them, and they [themselves] are for them soldiers in attendance."
    (QS. Yaseen 36: Verse 75)

    * Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

    Allah SWT said:

    فَلَا يَحْزُنْكَ قَوْلُهُمْ ۘ إِنَّا نَعْلَمُ مَا يُسِرُّونَ وَمَا يُعْلِنُونَ
    "So let not their speech grieve you. Indeed, We know what they conceal and what they declare."
    (QS. Yaseen 36: Verse 76)

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    Here's some of the stupid advice coming from the new zealand government:

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    Re: Multiple fatalities in shooting at Christchurch mosques

    Inna lillahi wa inna ilaihi raji'oon.
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    Re: Multiple fatalities in shooting at Christchurch mosques

    Quote Originally Posted by CuriousonTruth View Post

    I am surprised by this. European anti-islam sentiment is far older than 9/11.

    There's a reason Curzon said, "We can never allow a caliphate or any political establishment of Islam to rise again."
    IMO don't mix here the old imperialist and orientalist anti-islamic traditions, sure those existed and contribute to their ideological tradition, but now it is on a different popular level and nature. Similarly there were thousand + years of anti-Jewish sentiments in Europe before the Holocaust, but still it was a totally "updated" anti-semitism 2.0. what Nazis represented. Now we are the new Jews... Regarding the anti-muslim feelings i think other muslims in Europe will agree that things changed a lot in the last years after 9/11 and even more so after the refugee crisis, a kind of hatred that you could not hear and see in the 90s, not in this ammount and not in this political level.

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    Re: Multiple fatalities in shooting at Christchurch mosques

    Here's some discussion on footage of incidents which are being waged in peoples' name - i believe that people have a right to know the details of such newsworthy pieces which affect them directly, and if they can't cope with seeing such bloodshed, they should prevent their governments from commiting it and then attempting to justify it to the masses by falsely white washing and spinning it.

    That individual appeared to have military training....






    The individual who commited the shooting was simply copying george bush whilst parroting donald trump:




    Three years ago, President Trump called for a “total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States.” Over time, this idea, in his words, “morphed into” various other policies that he calls “extreme vetting.” Despite challenges, courts have largely allowed these policies to take effect, and the results are now evident: The president is achieving his stated aim of slashing entries of Muslims into the United States.

    A new analysis from the Cato Institute — based on data from the State Department — makes the facts clear. On refugee policy — the area where the president has the most discretion to enact his vision — his administration has almost completely shut out Muslims.

    From 2016 to 2018, the government cut admissions for Muslim refugees — which Trump has called a “Trojan horse” designed to bring down America — by 91 percent. In 2016, the government accepted nearly 40,000 Muslim refugees around the world, compared with just 3,000 in 2018. And while refugee admissions overall have plummeted, the Muslim share dropped from 45 percent to 15 percent, meaning it’s fallen at an even faster rate.


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    I curse him

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    Re: Multiple fatalities in shooting at Christchurch mosques

    May Allah (Subhanahu Wa Talaa) destroy all these soldiers who have committed these crimes in this world before akhira by the hands of their womenfolk and children and society, ameen! I would love to see these men return back to their home country where the government stabs them on their back, their wives cheats on them take all their wealth away from these men, their children want nothing to do with their fathers, their forced to pay unfair amount of child support and alimony which will put them in prison to be beaten and abused there or thrown in the street, their reputation is ruined either by their womenfolk or by society where they will never be able to stand in their own feets and they live the rest of their lives in depression and misery until death takes them.

    My biggest wish is they go to prison for their crimes but having psychological torture and torment and suffering and they feel agonizing pain every single day of their lives where they are imprisoned in their minds is even trillion times better!

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    Re: Multiple fatalities in shooting at Christchurch mosques

    Quote Originally Posted by alfaqir View Post
    No, but you guessed well the geographic region. (bölgeyi iyi tahmin ettin, ben de ortadoğu Avrupa'da yaşıyorum, ama polonya'da değil, macaristan'da)

    What is creepy that the "Great Replacement" conspiracy that this article
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-47579243 mentions as an online conspiracy is basicly what the official government propaganda tells here for years by now on all media channels....
    Funny thing is that the Kalergi plan- the man whose name is attributed to it was a white supremacist himself.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2o3pkoZyYRA

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    Re: Multiple fatalities in shooting at Christchurch mosques

    (In the Name of God, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful)

    This of course is very tragic for the believers who died, and of course we should pray for them. And indeed my own thoughts and prayers are with them and their loved ones.

    That said, I want to remind Muslims to keep in mind that we are a people of moderation and sense and sensibility. We must take this tragic event as the Time willed for Allah to call believers' souls to His Home and to Him. These believers died as martyrs for they died in the House of God with the intent to worship God. Allah (God) beautified their deaths for them and so we must now beautify our own conduct to honor them.

    We must not blame Western non-Muslims, because to suggest that all Western non-Muslims are somehow responsible for or evil or desired this tragedy is an untrue and offensive suggestion. And we must not be angry because that is the command of Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him).

    We must accept in grace the good wishes of the non-Muslims who are showing solidarity with us. We would wish the same had it been the other way around.

    More importantly, let's remember that we are all as human beings one when it comes to standing against evil, be it anywhere, be it committed by anyone. We do not tragedies define us or defy our good sense.

    إِنَّا للهِ وَإِنَّـا إِلَيْهِ رَاجِعونَ ("We belong to Allah and to Allah we shall return.")

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    Re: Multiple fatalities in shooting at Christchurch mosques

    And we should not go around bombing children and other innocents in afghanistan, iraq, libya, syria, egypt, by conducting false flag attacks and then blaming them on people innocent of the crimes, and we should especially not attempt to use such false flags as an excuse and false justification for murdering millions of people who do not claim to live in democracies and do not claim that they are responsible for the unjust legislation that their puppet leaders pass through in happily tax paid palaces.So let's not be so lame, let us take responsibility and stop trolling and attempting to use emotional diatribes absent of clear thinking.
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    Re: Multiple fatalities in shooting at Christchurch mosques

    Quote Originally Posted by Search View Post

    We must not blame Western non-Muslims, because to suggest that all Western non-Muslims are somehow responsible for or evil or desired this tragedy is an untrue and offensive suggestion.

    I very strongly disagree. It is completely their doing, anyone who has followe Occidental politics wouldn't be even remotely surprised by this.

    I suggest you go and look up PragerU, Paul joseph Watson, SquattingSlavTV, RedIce TV, Fox, etc they have exactly similar talking points and slogans/memes as the guy did. Only difference is they keep it in their speech and not action. However, the shooter simply applied what is being preached into practice.
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