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    Multiple fatalities in shooting at Christchurch mosques (OP)


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eUmis7uko0

    - @eesathekiwi are you safe?

    - About 40 died

    - Perpetrator White Australian

    - Apparantly he was livestreaming the whole thing while playing "Remove Kebab" song at background

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    Re: Multiple fatalities in shooting at Christchurch mosques

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silas View Post
    A threat? Seems like Muslims have a lot more to fear from their fellow Muslims as from Europeans

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/islamis...w-report-says/

    And if Muslims hate westerners as you say, why are many settling in western lands? The Muslims in my community enjoy a far higher standard of living than those living in Turkey. They also enjoy greater freedoms.
    You are assuming quite a lot. Obviously I was talking about religious muslims who are well read into history and can understand the motives of Europeans. Ofcourse that is not how muslims are raised, they are raised to be subservient to western people and their culture, I was too raised like that but i broke that off.

    And if you didn't get by now, most muslims who go to the West have a completely westernized world view themselves rather than an islamic one and practice religion very nominally. And you live in the USA, with the 2nd most liberal muslims in the world (1st being canada), so why would you expect those people to have an older, conservative world view.

    American muslims are even more liberal than the average American. They don't represent Islam. If you want Islam look up history,

    Rashidun Caliphate = Islam
    Abbsaid Caliphate = Islam
    Ottoman Sultanate =Islam

    21st century westernized muslims =/= Islam

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    Re: Multiple fatalities in shooting at Christchurch mosques

    Quote Originally Posted by CuriousonTruth View Post
    You are assuming quite a lot. Obviously I was talking about religious muslims who are well read into history and can understand the motives of Europeans. Ofcourse that is not how muslims are raised, they are raised to be subservient to western people and their culture, I was too raised like that but i broke that off.

    And if you didn't get by now, most muslims who go to the West have a completely westernized world view themselves rather than an islamic one and practice religion very nominally. And you live in the USA, with the 2nd most liberal muslims in the world (1st being canada), so why would you expect those people to have an older, conservative world view.

    American muslims are even more liberal than the average American. They don't represent Islam. If you want Islam look up history,

    Rashidun Caliphate = Islam
    Abbsaid Caliphate = Islam
    Ottoman Sultanate =Islam

    21st century westernized muslims =/= Islam
    I don't have any problem with Muslims setting up some kind of Caliphate (provided it isn't something crazy, like ISIL), or having their own countries and laws.

    But the Ottoman Empire, Abbasid Caliphate, etc. are not coming back any time soon. We can't turn back the clock to the middle-ages, or even the 19th century.

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    Re: Multiple fatalities in shooting at Christchurch mosques

    Quote Originally Posted by CuriousonTruth View Post

    Rashidun Caliphate = Islam
    Abbsaid Caliphate = Islam
    Ottoman Sultanate = Islam
    Thats a wrong assumption bro. None other than the Prophet can be defined as equal to Islam. These states had their mistakes.
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    Re: Multiple fatalities in shooting at Christchurch mosques

    Quote Originally Posted by anatolian View Post
    Thats a wrong assumption bro. None other than the Prophet can be defined as equal to Islam. These states had their mistakes.
    I obviously meant they represent real islam, not our generation. Also Rashidun Caliphate is accepted as the ideal state islamically, what mistake did they made? i guess Umar(Ra) made mistake by trusting the Persians which would be the reason that he was killed.

    But this was Qadr, it was prophesised the rightly guided caliphate will be for 30 years, which is exactly what happened, so technically all the errors made by the four caliphs are not really their fault.

    They were ruled by humans so obviously all of the empires had their dark sides. For example, the Mutazilite era under Abbasids and Tanzimat of the Ottomans.

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    Re: Multiple fatalities in shooting at Christchurch mosques

    Quote Originally Posted by CuriousonTruth View Post
    You are assuming quite a lot. Obviously I was talking about religious muslims who are well read into history and can understand the motives of Europeans. Ofcourse that is not how muslims are raised, they are raised to be subservient to western people and their culture, I was too raised like that but i broke that off.

    And if you didn't get by now, most muslims who go to the West have a completely westernized world view themselves rather than an islamic one and practice religion very nominally. And you live in the USA, with the 2nd most liberal muslims in the world (1st being canada), so why would you expect those people to have an older, conservative world view.

    American muslims are even more liberal than the average American. They don't represent Islam. If you want Islam look up history,

    Rashidun Caliphate = Islam
    Abbsaid Caliphate = Islam
    Ottoman Sultanate =Islam

    21st century westernized muslims =/= Islam
    you know you talk alot about the crimes committed by the whites but you fail to recognize the crimes committed by the muslims including genocide, misuse of slavery (similar to trans atlantic slave trade), pillaging, ethnic cleansing, mass murder, false flags, oppression, etc. just look up history. youll see christians and muslims are neck and neck.
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    Re: Multiple fatalities in shooting at Christchurch mosques

    Quote Originally Posted by SintoDinto View Post
    you know you talk alot about the crimes committed by the whites but you fail to recognize the crimes committed by the muslims including genocide, misuse of slavery (similar to trans atlantic slave trade), pillaging, ethnic cleansing, mass murder, false flags, oppression, etc. just look up history. youll see christians and muslims are neck and neck.
    LOL funny character.

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    Re: Multiple fatalities in shooting at Christchurch mosques

    @SintoDinto Know what a white Muslim is?

    Guess what?
    Some Muslims disguise themselves as
    Mexicans, Africans, Russians, even Chinese and Japanese, they carry out this cunning ploy by being born into the various races.
    Come to think of it, i'm getting cozy with the hunch that Islam is a global thing and all that race baiting is simply a satanic ploy by some evil people attempting to create confusion amongst the ignorant scum so that such scum develop a sense of bigoted loyalty to their own abusers and can then be utilized as pawns in their own ignominious enslavement as the usury game falls apart and attempts to evolve.

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    Re: Multiple fatalities in shooting at Christchurch mosques

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