Re: Multiple fatalities in shooting at Christchurch mosques
format_quote Originally Posted by eesa the kiwi
I'm fine wa lilahil hamd
Not my city. Pretty tragic though
Alhamdulillah. May Allah have mercy on them. 49 killed and 50 injured. Mosques to be closed no Jum'aa. It's really a dark day in history of New Zealand. Authorities must have an active role in eliminating the tree of hate that's being fed by islamophobic terrorists all over the social media.
Re: Multiple fatalities in shooting at Christchurch mosques
Peace be with you all,
This is a senseless and tragic event, we pray that something good can happen. Prayers for all the victims and families.
May you all be blessed in your struggles through life,
Eric
Re: Multiple fatalities in shooting at Christchurch mosques
I love you guys (and gals). I can only hope that this tragedy inspires all kiwis to stand with their Muslim brothers and sisters. We are all Muslims today.
Re: Multiple fatalities in shooting at Christchurch mosques
Inna lillahi wa inna ilaihi raji'oon.
It is a very tragic and sad event. May Allah grant them martyrdom and heal the wounded soon. May Allah bestow sabr on their loved ones.
O you who have believed, seek help through patience and prayer. Indeed, Allah is with the patient.
And do not say about those who are killed in the way of Allah, "They are dead." Rather, they are alive, but you perceive [it] not.
And We will surely test you with something of fear and hunger and a loss of wealth and lives and fruits, but give good tidings to the patient,
Who, when disaster strikes them, say, "Indeed we belong to Allah, and indeed to Him we will return."
Those are the ones upon whom are blessings from their Lord and mercy. And it is those who are the [rightly] guided.
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Am i allowed to upload a link to the video just so people realize how important it is for citizenry to excercise their God given right to bear arms, if people had not forgotten that only mad people and slaves were prevented from keeping weapons so that there would be no revolt or mutiny against the masters - it is highly likely that someone would have pulled out a handgun and immobilized the illegal shooter, someone in the office should also have had a pistol in an easily accessible locker. This video is proof of the fact that even if governments who take away peoples God given rights by giving false and empty assurances of security -overtaxed the populations which they administer in order to inefficiently hire more police, such an incident is unavoidable -if people do not stand up and demand to be treated with due respect.
"And when you are among them and lead them in prayer, let a group of them stand [in prayer] with you and let them carry their arms. And when they have prostrated, let them be [in position] behind you and have the other group come forward which has not [yet] prayed and let them pray with you, taking precaution and carrying their arms. Those who disbelieve wish that you would neglect your weapons and your baggage so they could come down upon you in one [single] attack. But there is no blame upon you, if you are troubled by rain or are ill, for putting down your arms, but take precaution. Indeed, Allah has prepared for the disbelievers a humiliating punishment."
It was narrated from Abu Musa (radi Allahu anhu) that Rasul Allah (sal Allahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "If one of you passes through our Masjid or our marketplace, with an arrow, let him hold it in his hand by its point, lest he harm one of the Muslims with it in some way." [#6665: The Book of Al-Birr: Sahih Muslim]
Re: Multiple fatalities in shooting at Christchurch mosques
إِنَّا لِلّهِ وَإِنَّـا إِلَيْهِ رَاجِعونَ
This is very bad. These are the signs of the End of Times.
May Allah Subhanuhu ease the pain of the relatives and friends of the martyrs. Ameen
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format_quote Originally Posted by Eric H
Peace be with you all,
This is a senseless and tragic event, we pray that something good can happen. Prayers for all the victims and families.
May you all be blessed in your struggles through life,
Eric
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Unfortunately, this outrageous attack illustrates an underlying problem in our societies.
Disgruntled, under-employed, entitled, and frustrated men who spend their time in Internet echo-chambers filled with radicals and morally-bankrupt people. These men are alienated and impressionable, can't find wives, and blame the "enemy", be it Muslims, immigrants, or even ordinary citizens.
This psycho was no different from those who drive trucks into schoolchildren. Their motivations might be different, but their impulses and ideology the same. Violence begets violence, and it is abhorrent in the eyes of God.
Mosque shooter a white nationalist seeking revenge
Associated Press KRISTEN GELINEAU,Associated Press 2 hours 8 minutes ago
SYDNEY (AP) — The gunman behind at least one of the mosque shootings in New Zealand that left 49 people dead on Friday tried to make a few things clear in the manifesto he left behind: He is a 28-year-old Australian white nationalist who hates immigrants. He was set off by attacks in Europe that were perpetrated by Muslims. He wanted revenge, and he wanted to create fear.
He also, quite clearly, wanted attention.
Though he claimed not to covet fame, the gunman — whose name was not immediately released by police — left behind a 74-page document posted on social media under the name Brenton Tarrant in which he said he hoped to survive the attack to better spread his ideas in the media.
He also livestreamed to the world in graphic detail his assault on the worshippers at Christchurch's Al Noor Mosque.
That rampage killed at least 41 people, while an attack on a second mosque in the city not long after killed several more. Police did not say whether the same person was responsible for both shootings.
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While his manifesto and video were an obvious and contemptuous ploy for infamy, they do contain important clues for a public trying to understand why anyone would target dozens of innocent people who were simply spending an afternoon engaged in prayer.
There could be no more perplexing a setting for a mass slaughter than New Zealand, a nation so placid and so isolated from the mass shootings that plague the U.S. that even police officers rarely carry guns.
Yet the gunman himself highlighted New Zealand's remoteness as a reason he chose it. He wrote that an attack in New Zealand would show that no place on earth was safe and that even a country as far away as New Zealand is subject to mass immigration.
He said he grew up in a working-class Australian family, had a typical childhood and was a poor student. A woman who said she was a colleague of his when he worked as a personal trainer in the Australian city of Grafton said she was shocked by the allegations against him.
"I can't ... believe that somebody I've probably had daily dealings with and had shared conversations and interacted with would be able of something to this extreme," Tracey Gray told the Australian Broadcasting Corp.
Beyond his white nationalistic ideals, he also considers himself an environmentalist and a fascist who believes China is the nation that most aligns with his political and social values. He has contempt for the wealthiest 1 percent. And he singled out American conservative commentator Candace Owens as the person who had influenced him the most.
In a tweet, Owens responded by saying that if the media portrayed her as the inspiration for the attack, it had better hire lawyers.
Throughout the manifesto, the theme he returns to most often is conflict between people of European descent and Muslims, often framing it in terms of the Crusades.
He wrote that the episode that pushed him toward violence took place in 2017 while he was touring through Western Europe. That was when an Uzbek man drove a truck into a crowd of people in Stockholm, killing five. The Australian was particularly enraged by the death of an 11-year-old Swedish girl in the attack.
He said his desire for violence grew when he arrived in France, where he became enraged by the sight of immigrants in the cities and towns he visited.
And so he began to plot his attack. Three months ago, he started planning to target Christchurch. He claimed not to be a direct member of any organization or group, though he said he has donated to many nationalist groups. He also claimed he contacted an anti-immigration group called the reborn Knights Templar and got the blessing of Anders Breivik for the attack.
Breivik is a right-wing Norwegian extremist who killed 77 people in Oslo and a nearby island in 2011. Breivik's lawyer Oeystein Storrvik told Norway's VG newspaper that his client, who is in prison, has "very limited contacts with the surrounding world, so it seems very unlikely that he has had contact" with the New Zealand gunman.
The gunman had a long wish list for what he hoped the attack would achieve. He hoped it would reduce immigration by intimidating immigrants. He hoped to drive a wedge between NATO and the Turkish people. He hoped to further polarize and destabilize the West. And he hoped to create more conflict over gun laws in the U.S., thus leading to a civil war that would ultimately result in a separation of races.
Though he claimed not to be a Nazi, in the video he livestreamed of the shooting the number 14 is seen on his rifle. That may be a reference to the "14 Words," a white supremacist slogan attributed in part to Adolf Hitler's "Mein Kampf," according to the Southern Poverty Law Center. He also used the symbol of the Schwarze Sonne, or black sun, which "has become synonymous with myriad far-right groups who traffic in neo-Nazi," according to the center.
His victims, he wrote, were chosen because he saw them as invaders who would replace the white race. He predicted he would feel no remorse for their deaths. And in the video he livestreamed of his shooting, no remorse can be seen or heard. Instead, he simply says: "Let's get this party started."
Then he picks up his gun, storms into the mosque, and cuts down one innocent life after another.
When it is over, he climbs back into his car, where he has left his music playing — the song "Fire" by the English rock band The Crazy World of Arthur Brown. And right after the singer bellows, "I am the god of hellfire!" the gunman drives away.
"We are coming for Constantinople and we will destroy every mosque and minaret in the city. The Hagia Sophia will be free of minarets and Constantinople will be rightfully christian [sic] owned once more," 28-year-old Australian citizen Brenton Tarrant -- the mosque attacker in New Zealand -- said in a post shared on his social media account. In the text, Tarrant also threatens to kill all Turks living on the European side of Turkey and elsewhere in Europe.
President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan is also attacked in the manifesto which argues that he should be killed while on a visit to the Turkish community in Europe, which the assailant called "his ethnic soldiers currently occupying Europe" in the hate-filled text. The text also says that Erdoğan's death will serve to drive a wedge "between the Turk invaders currently occupying our lands and the ethnic European people simultaneously weakening Turkeys [sic] hold on the region, removing a prime enemy of Russia and destabilizing and fracturing NATO."
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format_quote Originally Posted by Silas
Unfortunately, this outrageous attack illustrates an underlying problem in our societies.
Disgruntled, under-employed, entitled, and frustrated men who spend their time in Internet echo-chambers filled with radicals and morally-bankrupt people. These men are alienated and impressionable, can't find wives, and blame the "enemy", be it Muslims, immigrants, or even ordinary citizens.
This psycho was no different from those who drive trucks into schoolchildren. Their motivations might be different, but their impulses and ideology the same. Violence begets violence, and it is abhorrent in the eyes of God.
I doubt it. There are many educated, unemployed people everywhere, all of them don't go around playing Crusader everywhere.
As someone who has spent time on WN websites like T.O.O and even the less intelligent (but more popular) "alt-right" movement, the terminologies or the rhetoric is nothing new to me. "Remove Kebab", "Deus Vult", "Re-taking Constantinople", "Nuke Mekkah" are all very well known rhetorics which were used by the person in question.
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Fox News closed the comment section under their youtube video. I think we can imagine what kinds of comments were there. It wouldn't be crazy to suggest that the attack has support from a large chunk (if not majority) of American, European, English, Australians.
"We are coming for Constantinople and we will destroy every mosque and minaret in the city. The Hagia Sophia will be free of minarets and Constantinople will be rightfully christian [sic] owned once more," 28-year-old Australian citizen Brenton Tarrant -- the mosque attacker in New Zealand -- said in a post shared on his social media account. In the text, Tarrant also threatens to kill all Turks living on the European side of Turkey and elsewhere in Europe.
President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan is also attacked in the manifesto which argues that he should be killed while on a visit to the Turkish community in Europe, which the assailant called "his ethnic soldiers currently occupying Europe" in the hate-filled text. The text also says that Erdoğan's death will serve to drive a wedge "between the Turk invaders currently occupying our lands and the ethnic European people simultaneously weakening Turkeys [sic] hold on the region, removing a prime enemy of Russia and destabilizing and fracturing NATO."
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I doubt it. There are many educated, unemployed people everywhere, all of them don't go around playing Crusader everywhere.
As someone who has spent time on WN websites like T.O.O and even the less intelligent (but more popular) "alt-right" movement, the terminologies or the rhetoric is nothing new to me. "Remove Kebab", "Deus Vult", "Re-taking Constantinople", "Nuke Mekkah" are all very well known rhetorics which were used by the person in question.
well just as not every frustrated, underemployed Muslim goes out and plays Jihadist
just as the "Alt-Right" has its subculture of slogans, violent expressions, memes, etc. , just as the violent Jihadists have theirs. They lure young men with this stuff.
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Apparent in his gun he wrote the following:
Skanderbeg
Charles Martel
Vienna 1683
Anton Peterson
Bisonette
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format_quote Originally Posted by Silas
well just as not every frustrated, underemployed Muslim goes out and plays Jihadist
just as the "Alt-Right" has its subculture of slogans, violent expressions, memes, etc. , just as the violent Jihadists have theirs. They lure young men with this stuff.
My point is it has nothing to do with employment status. Kevin Macdonald was a professor in university and I think David Duke was in US congress (?)
It has completely to do with White supremacy and the belief that those people have that their race is superior because of the last 200 years. This is the core issue.
As for "jihadists" most of that is due to Western invasion, which is a completely different discourse.
Re: Multiple fatalities in shooting at Christchurch mosques
format_quote Originally Posted by Abz2000
Am i allowed to upload a link to the video just so people realize how important it is for citizenry to excercise their God given right to bear arms, if people had not forgotten that only mad people and slaves were prevented from keeping weapons so that there would be no revolt or mutiny against the masters - it is highly likely that someone would have pulled out a handgun and immobilized the illegal shooter, someone in the office should also have had a pistol in an easily accessible locker. This video is proof of the fact that even if governments who take away peoples God given rights by giving false and empty assurances of security -overtaxed the populations which they administer in order to inefficiently hire more police, such an incident is unavoidable -if people do not stand up and demand to be treated with due respect.
I have no authority in the matter, but i would like to ask you NOT to post it, or to the mods NOT to allow it. Show some respect to the victims and their families and don't assist this terrorist's propaganda video. I personally favor very strict gun control, but i don't think that is the issue now, rather the threat that the alt-right islamophobes are an increasing physical threat to us and this attack raises the issue that our mosques in the non-muslim countries need higher security, similarly how synagogues usually have already, police presence, armed security guards, metal detectors... i wonder will we also need these?
@CuriousonTruth
It wouldn't be crazy to suggest that the attack has support from a large chunk (if not majority) of American, European, English, Australians.
I don't say if it is a large chunk or a majority as it varies by country, but no doubt virulent muslim hating has a large platform and even entered the mainstream, so i have no doubt many of them condone it. (I don't even dare to look at comments in my country where anti-muslim sentiments are probably the highest in Europe... i have no stomach for it)
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format_quote Originally Posted by alfaqir
@CuriousonTruth
I don't say if it is a large chunk or a majority as it varies by country, but no doubt virulent muslim hating has a large platform and even entered the mainstream, so i have no doubt many of them condone it. (I don't even dare to look at comments in my country where anti-muslim sentiments are probably the highest in Europe... i have no stomach for it)
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