Cartoons worse than murder??

I just felt like pointing out something , in light of recent events.

Why doesnt the killing of THOUSANDS of muslims in Iraq, Palestine, etc. spark as much rage in Muslims as a stupid comic??

I mean seriously- there has been internation retaliation to this cartoon, Muslims all over the world are protesting against it. AND YET, when greater crimes (including rape and torture, though mainly murder) are being committed against thousands of our brothers and sisters in these countries by the likes of America and Isreal (i.e. there soldiers), we never see such a reaction of this magnitude. Its really saddening.

Dont get me wrong, im not underestimating the seriousness of these cartoons, i just believe that the situation in certain muslim countries is more serious and worthy of reaction than a cartoon.

cheese said:

AND YET, when greater crimes (rape, murder, torture) are being committed against thousands of our brothers and sisters in these countries by the likes of America and Isreal,

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Just out of curiousity, because I don't know, Where are Americans raping Muslims?

Do you know that some Americans are Muslims?

Or maybe you mean Muslims in America are raping other Muslims who are also in America? I am very confused by your post. What do you think Michael Jackson thinks about all this?

sorry if that sounded like a generalisation, i was refering to the Americans in iraq. not specifically all americans, i know that there are muslim americans.

And there were stories that have been circulating about american soldiers raping muslims in iraq, specifically in prisons. sorry i dont have the link. but one such story was posted in this forum.

any, whether there is rape, or american muslims isnt the point of this thread.

Peace.

What on earth does micheal jackons have to do with this??

look... i will make my reference more specific for you ok? refer back to my original post.

First of all, I'm not really convinced there was any rape of thousands. But there are Muslim Americans serving in the American army. Was it any of them doing the so-called raping?

I suspect whatever story you heard or read had something like "Non-Muslim US Soldiers rape thousands" is that what I am to believe?

Oh and by the way, I only bring up Michael Jackson because he is a pop singer. I'm not really a fan of his music or anytthing. I mean, I wouldn't say I'm a "fan" of him, but I know of him.

Do you like Michael Jackson?

look mate.
1. could you please post your replies in one post rather than use so many short ones, it gets annoying.
2. i never said there was raping of thousands, but rather i said that various crimes, including the ones mentioned, were commited against them. but fair enough, i will make another adjustment to my first post for you.
3. Please do not argue this here as it is not the place for it. I did not start the thread for the purpose of disussing the 'greatness' of the american army. if you wish to persue such a debate, please find a more suitable thread.

and by the way, micheal jackon has no relievance to this topic!! just becuase he is a pop singer doesnt mean that his opinion is worthy or whatever. please, if you are trying to increase you post count, this is not the place to do it! you can get warnings for that. please be careful.

cheese said:

I just felt like pointing out something , in light of recent events.

Why doesnt the killing of THOUSANDS of muslims in Iraq, Palestine, etc. spark as much rage in Muslims as a stupid comic??

I mean seriously- there has been internation retaliation to this cartoon, Muslims all over the world are protesting against it. AND YET, when greater crimes (rape, murder, torture) are being committed against thousands of our brothers and sisters in these countries by the likes of America and Isreal (i.e. there soldiers), we never see such a reaction of this magnitude. Its really saddening.

Dont get me wrong, im not underestimating the seriousness of these cartoons, i just believe that the situation in certain muslim countries is more serious and worthy of reaction than a cartoon.

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Salaam

I see where your coming from sis, The ummah have been a sleep till know, our beloved prophet(pbuh) has been insulted, may allah make this driving force for the ummah to unite.

This is slightly different than the thread. I'm not muslim just curious for a muslim perspective. I just wondered on this board researching the muslim cartoons from denmark. I'm really confused about this.

Okay, I understand muslims wouldn't like those cartoons, but how does that justify the rioting, and death threats. I also looked it up on wikipedia(online encyclopedia) and there are literally dozens of cartoons printed in muslim newpapers depicting such things as jews eating babies. Now a picture of the Prophet with a bomb on his head, versus a jew eating a baby. It seems there is a double standard going on, as in if someone insults muslims, they storm embassies, but if muslims print a jew eating a baby. Oh well, they're not muslim.

Honestly, that is the way it looks. I've never heard of a jew eating babies, I have no idea where that came from. But I see or hear of Muslim suicide bombers weekly, so I understand the symbolism at least of that one.

Please, explain, because I'm honestly trying not to look badly on muslims, but it is very hard, when people are rioting, boycotting, burning embassies over cartoons. It does seem fanatical.

Thanks, no disrespect intended.

Really, I don't see how a cartoon picture equals death threats.

The biggest devil today is and present within all communities is the media. and this media is run by an even bigger devil. Fair enough the danes apologised and rightly so, but after seeing all the anger, hurt and demonstrations which it led to why on earth would other europeans countries namingly france and norway want to RE-produce them???? May be to prove their point of freedom of speech. So at the cost of proving there point they dont mind insulting the religion of islam, causing world-wide protest and yes more hatred between different beliefs. And especially at a time when you have potential world war 3 on your hands, new laws and legistlation such as the freedom of speech, race laws and so called anti-terrorist laws. I agree with the sister who posted about the muslims who die day in day out, after a demonstration we forget about it. why are we not outside the britsh embassy day in day out instead of one day, which for most is a day out to london. at the time of the islamic caliphate namingly in the times of the 4 caliphs a muslim women would be able to walk freely without a man even looking at her in the wrong way. why cos we had men of actions and not words. today its the total opposite, but for a few. today we have larger numbers but yet fail to prevnt with our voices the re-production of these insulting images. over 1.7 billion muslims in the world, but only a few voice there concerns or act to protect their deen. we have the wealthiest of resources, nations, men, women, numbers, yet we fail to have a united meida. yet we fail to protect and serve the poor, widows, orphans, mujahideens, build an ifrastcure which we can all work together to. Our lands are ransacked, wealth stolen, rights violated, women left widowed, the enemies of islam violating our holy lands and places of worship, and SOME of our leaders belittleing themselves in their hands. SubhanAllah, i pray and beg that Allah brings this day soon. The day when all muslims will re-unite under the banner of La-Ilaha-IllAllah - Muhammad RasoolAllah.

Isaac said:

The biggest devil today is and present within all communities is the media. and this media is run by an even bigger devil. Fair enough the danes apologised and rightly so, but after seeing all the anger, hurt and demonstrations which it led to why on earth would other europeans countries namingly france and norway want to RE-produce them????

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The governments didn't produce them, individual companies within those countries produced them, that's why it doesn't make any sense. They are boycotting denmark, because a company in Denmark did something they didn't like. Same thing in France. And burning Denmark embassies in couple of arab countries.

Anyway, guess the point is do you believe it worth burning buildings and sending death threats out over a cartoon?

See its that kind of ignorance, disrespect and lack of understanding that caused all this in the first place. look i could sit here and just chat a load of rubbish, but i dont wana spoil the things for the rest of the people using ths forum and the forums credibility. so please if your looking for someone to talk to or belittle go somehwere else, cos i aint in the mood.

Well, I guess I'll take that as a yes for now. I'll check back later tonight. Honestly, though, I really see the response being way out of balance compared to the insult.

Well the same could be said about saddam hussein? was it worth the reponse of going in and killing over 150,000 iraqis jsut cos some people thought he has wmds??????????????? the threat was imaginery and was proven to be imaginery before they even went in. as proved by the un amd iaea! so to conclude if there was no insult there would be no reponse. well lets just hope that people have learnd a lesson and that this doesnt happen again for everbodys sake>

With all due respect that wasn't what we were talking about.

I asked a very straight forward question, that had nothing to do with the US and Iraqi. It had to do with the situation over this cartoon in Denmark.

Basicly is a depiction of the prophet in a negative light worth rioting, and death threats.

Oh no, not another hater.

Is that supposed to be just mere information?

Or are you a hater?

At risk of sounding like another hater...

on another forum at the moment we are trying to answer a question similar to this one.

is it worth such violence killing over a cartoon, when there are so many violent acts beng done 'in the name of Islam' which I am told most moderate muslims find very offensive to their following of a peaceful religion?

is it a case that muslims will defend (or at least not speak against) their brothers and sisters out of loyalty even when they may have different opinions, but are quicker to attack non muslims?

Greetings and peace fluff,

fluff said:

is it a case that muslims will defend (or at least not speak against) their brothers and sisters out of loyalty even when they may have different opinions, but are quicker to attack non muslims?

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Some may. Some may not. I wouldn't paint all muslims with the same brush. At the end of the day, the Qur'an says:

I would interpret that to mean shout as loudly against any person who offends Islamic values. So does that mean some of the acts I find offensive are considered less so by the muslims that don't speak out against them?

or is the moderate voice of opposition to fundamentalist violence just not as loud / widely reported in the UK?

(I have to admit I have spoken to very few Muslims who agree or will admit to wanting people beheaded etc. The majority think life is sacred just as I do)

I think the rioting and raiding and torching of embassies is going too far.

It makes the Ummah look petty and ignorant to the west.

salam

No offence or anything- but most people seem to be going OFF TOPIC.