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    Violence against women has increased dramatically since the 2003 U.S.-led invasion of Iraq. They have been kidnapped, killed, raped, and even sold to foreign countries for the global prostitution network, the Woman Freedom Organization (WFO), a Baghdad-based NGO, said in a report earlier this month.

    "We've studied reports from local NGOs on women's rights in the past three years, including violence, kidnappings, forced prostitution and honor killings," WFO President Senar Mohammad told Reuters. “And the extent to which women have lost their rights in Iraq is shocking."

    According to the WFO study, the most worrying trend was the kidnappings of women, many of whom reported being sexually abused or tortured. "Kidnapping and raping women has become so widespread that every woman worries that she may become the next victim. Very few women are seen on the streets. It was not like that before the war, no! Many are frightened to step out of their home,” an unidentified Iraqi woman said.

    More than 2,000 Iraqi women have been kidnapped since April 2003, the report said, adding that such incidents were largely unknown during Saddam Hussein’s regime. "Money has become more important than lives, and kidnapping women – easy targets because of their weakness – is a quicker way to get a good ransom," said Mohammad.

    Moreover, the study says that several Iraqi women were being sold as sex workers abroad, mainly to the illegal markets in Yemen, Syria, Jordan and the Gulf States. Victims usually discover their fate only after they have been lured outside Iraq by false promises.

    "They told my family that I was very beautiful and they were sure I could be a famous model outside Iraq," said one woman who was deceived by traffickers into going to Kuwait. "Because my brothers and father died in 2003, and we needed money desperately, my mother agreed that I should go."

    "But I discovered that everything was a lie, and I was forced to have sexual relations with men," she said painfully. "I lost my virginity to a 65-year-old man who bought me at a very high price and who slept with me everyday until I ran away and arranged my return to Iraq."

    * Sexual abuses

    The report also raised concerns about the conditions of women detainees currently held in prisons run by the U.S. and UK occupation forces, pointing to the Al-Kadhimiya and Abu-Ghraib prisons in particular. "Based on our records and from anonymous information, we estimate that there are more than 250 women in these two prisons alone, who are exposed to different kinds of torture, including sexual abuses,” Mohammad said.

    "I was kidnapped and sexually abused," said Surra Abdu, who spent two months in al-Kadhimiya prison. "But after I was released and reported the matter to the police, they interrogated me and hurt me more, saying I was in cahoots with my jailers." Abdu added: "Is that the freedom and security offered to us when Saddam was toppled?"

    The Iraqi Interior Ministry denies that women detainees were regularly subject to mistreatment. "We're Muslims, and we know very well how to treat our women prisoners," said top ministry official Ahmed Youssifin.

    But the WFO rejects the government‘s assertions, insisting that it has abundant evidence of the abuse of women detainees. "It's very difficult to believe women are being well-treated in Iraqi prisons," he said. "Many times have I seen signs of torture and beatings on their faces after they were released."

    Some of the photos that U.S. guards shot at Abu Ghraib show a U.S. military policeman "having sex with an Iraqi woman," according to Maj Gen Taguba, who headed a 2005 investigation into abuses of female detainees at the hands of U.S. guards. The Taguba report also stated that U.S. guards committed other crimes against Iraqi women for their entertainment. "An Iraqi woman in her 70s had been harnessed and ridden like a donkey at Abu Ghraib and another coalition detention center after being arrested last July," the report said.

    Lawyers of women prisoners also assert that U.S. guards had been raping women detainees and forcing them to strip naked in front of men. They also said that these crimes were being committed all across Iraq. According to an Iraqi female lawyer, identified as Swadi, a woman prisoner at a U.S. military base in al-Kharkh told her that “she had been raped… several American soldiers had raped her. She had tried to fight them off and they had hurt her arm.”

    There is reason to believe that these abuses are still going on. When Swadi tried to visit women detainees at Abu Ghraib recently, U.S. guards refused to let her in. When she complained, they threatened to arrest her.

    It is obvious that these abuses are horrible. What is so painful is that the oppression of Iraqi women won’t end soon. It will also have a devastating impact on the way of life of the Iraqi people -- thanks to the U.S./UK invasion.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by renak View Post
    I definitely agree that the existence of consensual sex does not make the abduction of women appropriate. I'm just not convinced that there has actually been an increase in the ill treatment of women (in the sexual nature) since the US has been in Iraq. Being that Iraq now has more freedom, these individual cases are now being reported. I doubt that during the Ba'athis regime, they were officially reported.
    Thats very possible - But at the same time there has to be an increase since now the offenders are free to roam the street, no law what so ever. Also, what has and is going on in prison is not setting a good example and view of US to the world.

    There are huge misconceptions in both West and East regarding each society and its values. And this misconception is turning into a reality with the attrocities that the US-Army has commited with their Allies.

    Please note: That we (Canada) is in West as well, but look at the Image it has in the World compared to US. Look at the Work that Canada is doing in Afghanistan - compared to what US did.
    Its not very difficult to acknolwedge why is it so. And this latest invasion - has brought nothing good to Iraq or to World.
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    Re: After Saddam, Iraqi women are used as sex objects

    format_quote Originally Posted by itsme01 View Post
    Thats very possible - But at the same time there has to be an increase since now the offenders are free to roam the street, no law what so ever. Also, what has and is going on in prison is not setting a good example and view of US to the world.

    There are huge misconceptions in both West and East regarding each society and its values. And this misconception is turning into a reality with the attrocities that the US-Army has commited with their Allies.

    Please note: That we (Canada) is in West as well, but look at the Image it has in the World compared to US. Look at the Work that Canada is doing in Afghanistan - compared to what US did.
    Its not very difficult to acknolwedge why is it so. And this latest invasion - has brought nothing good to Iraq or to World.
    The abuses are horrific; however, they occur in all wars (always have and always will).

    No offense but one can't compare the US and Canada. The US is more of a military power, and financial contributor to the world in general.

    I would argue that the invasion of Iraq will be viewed in much more positive manner as time progresses. Give Iraq a time to organize, heal, and regroup, then their impression of the invasion will more than likely change. For years Iraq has been calling out to the world to be "rescued". Well, they have been "rescued" from the Ba'athist and the process of rebuilding is something they will need to be patient with.
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    They are cold-blooded murders :grumbling
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    Re: After Saddam, Iraqi women are used as sex objects

    format_quote Originally Posted by nafisa88 View Post

    They are cold-blooded murders :grumbling
    Do you care to explain your reasoning?
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    Re: After Saddam, Iraqi women are used as sex objects

    format_quote Originally Posted by renak View Post
    The abuses are horrific; however, they occur in all wars (always have and always will).

    No offense but one can't compare the US and Canada. The US is more of a military power, and financial contributor to the world in general.

    I would argue that the invasion of Iraq will be viewed in much more positive manner as time progresses. Give Iraq a time to organize, heal, and regroup, then their impression of the invasion will more than likely change. For years Iraq has been calling out to the world to be "rescued". Well, they have been "rescued" from the Ba'athist and the process of rebuilding is something they will need to be patient with.
    No offense: but thats just laughable.
    A very brief point form Summary of Invasion:
    1- Iraq has WMD (no such thing)
    2- Iraq has Biological Weapons (no such thing)
    3- Saddam was put in place by the US
    4- After Baghdad fell, The US showed its true Colour by Placing the US Flag
    5- Use of Plutonium Shells*
    6- Use of Phosphorus Bombs*
    7- Killing of Media**
    8- Capture of Saddam and turning the Trial into a Joke
    9- Uneven distribution of Power to People
    10- Failure to establish a Gov't***
    11- Triggering of Civil War
    12- Letting Israel use North Iraq to establish Military Base and Intelligence
    ...and so on.

    * Against UN Laws and is a War Crime
    ** Despite Media giving full information of its location, Journalist were bombarded and shelled by US Forces
    *** The Puppet in Afghanistan can hardly get outside of his house, let alone Kabul, and US decided to Invade Iraq


    Renak, its obvious - that things are only getting uglier by every second. The same statement you said "invasion of Iraq will be viewed in much more positive manner as time progresses", same was said about Vietnam and Gulf War 2.-
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    Re: After Saddam, Iraqi women are used as sex objects

    [QUOTE=blackjubba;210752]Look what they are doing to our sisters! Ya Allah!

    If I can correct you, it is what your brothers (not "they") are doing to your sisters. The Americans may have accidentally enabled them to behave like this by removing Saddam's police control, but it is Muslims who are doing this, well most of this, to Muslimas. Who would have guessed?

    Violence against women has increased dramatically since the 2003 U.S.-led invasion of Iraq. They have been kidnapped, killed, raped, and even sold to foreign countries for the global prostitution network, the Woman Freedom Organization (WFO), a Baghdad-based NGO, said in a report earlier this month.
    All the work of Iraqi men, not the West.
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    Re: After Saddam, Iraqi women are used as sex objects

    format_quote Originally Posted by itsme01 View Post
    Somewhat agreed,

    Islam is very open to this subject of Sexuality, however it also teaches us that respect is important. When a man/woman goes about having sex just for the pleasure - it has more negative effect on the community.

    Its like this (example, this time i will use it on me ): I go about having sex with women. And Another person (lets say you) have sex with one person and you love him (love does not mean sex). In the end, will I be more happier or You. I believe the answer is obvious.
    This is very true. However, I think it boils down to a woman using her brain, and logic before agreeing to consensual sex.
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    Re: After Saddam, Iraqi women are used as sex objects

    format_quote Originally Posted by itsme01 View Post
    No offense: but thats just laughable.
    A very brief point form Summary of Invasion:
    1- Iraq has WMD (no such thing)
    2- Iraq has Biological Weapons (no such thing)
    3- Saddam was put in place by the US
    4- After Baghdad fell, The US showed its true Colour by Placing the US Flag
    5- Use of Plutonium Shells*
    6- Use of Phosphorus Bombs*
    7- Killing of Media**
    8- Capture of Saddam and turning the Trial into a Joke
    9- Uneven distribution of Power to People
    10- Failure to establish a Gov't***
    11- Triggering of Civil War
    12- Letting Israel use North Iraq to establish Military Base and Intelligence
    ...and so on.

    * Against UN Laws and is a War Crime
    ** Despite Media giving full information of its location, Journalist were bombarded and shelled by US Forces
    *** The Puppet in Afghanistan can hardly get outside of his house, let alone Kabul, and US decided to Invade Iraq


    Renak, its obvious - that things are only getting uglier by every second. The same statement you said "invasion of Iraq will be viewed in much more positive manner as time progresses", same was said about Vietnam and Gulf War 2.-
    You may be correct. Hey I can hope can't I? kay:
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    format_quote Originally Posted by renak View Post
    You may be correct. Hey I can hope can't I? kay:
    i guess so
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    Where do you guys get your info from?

    No offense: but thats just laughable.
    A very brief point form Summary of Invasion:
    1- Iraq has WMD (no such thing)
    2- Iraq has Biological Weapons (no such thing)
    3- Saddam was put in place by the US
    4- After Baghdad fell, The US showed its true Colour by Placing the US Flag
    5- Use of Plutonium Shells*
    6- Use of Phosphorus Bombs*
    7- Killing of Media**
    8- Capture of Saddam and turning the Trial into a Joke
    9- Uneven distribution of Power to People
    10- Failure to establish a Gov't***
    11- Triggering of Civil War
    12- Letting Israel use North Iraq to establish Military Base and Intelligence
    ...and so on.

    * Against UN Laws and is a War Crime
    ** Despite Media giving full information of its location, Journalist were bombarded and shelled by US Forces
    *** The Puppet in Afghanistan can hardly get outside of his house, let alone Kabul, and US decided to Invade Iraq
    1-Every intelligence agency around the world thought he had WMD. There was an article recently where one of his Generals even said he thought they had them up until the invasion and was disappointed when he were told they didn't.

    2-See point 1

    3-Saddam was not put in place by the US. Saddam was elected by the people of Iraq as Vice-President. He proceeded to kill off the people around him and connsolidated his power. Look it up

    4-They put the flag up over Saddam's statue. They realized this was wrong and replaced it with the Iraqi flag immediately.

    5-If the US used plutonium shells everybody would be dead anywhere near the ammo storage since Plutonium is highly irradiated. The US do use Depleted Uranium shells that is legal un the Geneva Conventions. Test has shown there's more radiation in a glow stick than in one of those shells.

    6-They are Phosperus Shells and they are perfectly legal under the Geneva Convictions. They are used to illuminate the sky and to make buildings. There is no proof that it was used purposely against troops.

    7-They new where the media was staying but they were also taking fire from that location. How do I know? My brother was there. He said from 1000 yards a camera looks a lot like an RPG.

    8-Well the Irqi's are holding that trial. The US has nothing to do with it. Personally if I would have found Saddam I would have sealed off the hole and filled it with water.

    9-Hey the Iraqi people elected the people to lead them. The US had nothing to do with that. If the US did then Sadr's block would have been shut out instead of having the most people in the government

    10-The people establishes a government not the US

    11-Blame that on the insurgents

    12-HA HA HA show me the proof.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by knuckles View Post
    Where do you guys get your info from?


    1-Every intelligence agency around the world thought he had WMD. There was an article recently where one of his Generals even said he thought they had them up until the invasion and was disappointed when he were told they didn't.

    2-See point 1

    3-Saddam was not put in place by the US. Saddam was elected by the people of Iraq as Vice-President. He proceeded to kill off the people around him and connsolidated his power. Look it up

    4-They put the flag up over Saddam's statue. They realized this was wrong and replaced it with the Iraqi flag immediately.

    5-If the US used plutonium shells everybody would be dead anywhere near the ammo storage since Plutonium is highly irradiated. The US do use Depleted Uranium shells that is legal un the Geneva Conventions. Test has shown there's more radiation in a glow stick than in one of those shells.

    6-They are Phosperus Shells and they are perfectly legal under the Geneva Convictions. They are used to illuminate the sky and to make buildings. There is no proof that it was used purposely against troops.

    7-They new where the media was staying but they were also taking fire from that location. How do I know? My brother was there. He said from 1000 yards a camera looks a lot like an RPG.

    8-Well the Irqi's are holding that trial. The US has nothing to do with it. Personally if I would have found Saddam I would have sealed off the hole and filled it with water.

    9-Hey the Iraqi people elected the people to lead them. The US had nothing to do with that. If the US did then Sadr's block would have been shut out instead of having the most people in the government

    10-The people establishes a government not the US

    11-Blame that on the insurgents

    12-HA HA HA show me the proof.
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    Re: After Saddam, Iraqi women are used as sex objects

    format_quote Originally Posted by itsme01 View Post
    Ignorance is bliss. See below how it works

    1- You make me laugh
    2- You make me laugh louder
    3- now you have done it, i am rolling on the floor
    4- please stop - you are killing me
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    No offense but one can't compare the US and Canada. The US is more of a military power, and financial contributor to the world in general.
    The military power thing cannot be disputed (although it would be if american money had not squashed the canadian "arrow" project), the financial thing might be disputed though, depending on how numbers are crunched. In 2004(sorry more recent numbers are hard to find) the US donated 19 billion foreign aid while Canada donated 2.9 billion. There is some dispute by humanitarian critics about the US figure as accusations that some of the US 'donations' come in the form of military 'assistance' (Iraq, etc.).

    When these numbers are looked at in % GDP, the US donations are 0.14 GDP and Canada is 0.26 GDP. These are much lower than Norway, Denmark, Luxembourg, Sweden and the Netherlands all donating more than 0.7 GDP with Norway the leading world donar at 0.92 GDP.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Malsidabym View Post
    The military power thing cannot be disputed (although it would be if american money had not squashed the canadian "arrow" project), the financial thing might be disputed though, depending on how numbers are crunched. In 2004(sorry more recent numbers are hard to find) the US donated 19 billion foreign aid while Canada donated 2.9 billion. There is some dispute by humanitarian critics about the US figure as accusations that some of the US 'donations' come in the form of military 'assistance' (Iraq, etc.).

    When these numbers are looked at in % GDP, the US donations are 0.14 GDP and Canada is 0.26 GDP. These are much lower than Norway, Denmark, Luxembourg, Sweden and the Netherlands all donating more than 0.7 GDP with Norway the leading world donar at 0.92 GDP.
    Do people that are recieving the help really care about % of GDp or about real dollars? Alos not taken into account is the US vehicles and logistics.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by knuckles View Post
    Do people that are recieving the help really care about % of GDp or about real dollars? Alos not taken into account is the US vehicles and logistics.
    Actually all costs are included when tallying the donated figures by countries, including vehicles and logistics. The comment was not about how those recieving donations felt, but about charity of these countries compared to others. The point about the % of GDP is to say that this is a real measure of how much a country is doing to help.
    Remember the biblical story of the rich men and the poor widow donating to the temple.
    Luke 21:1 As he looked up, Jesus saw the rich putting their gifts into the temple treasury. [2] He also saw a poor widow put in two very small copper coins. [3] "I tell you the truth," he said, "this poor widow has put in more than all the others. [4] All these people gave their gifts out of their wealth; but she out of her poverty put in all she had to live on."
    Sacrificial giving is worth more than any amount. Norway for example, although the amount was less, has given more in donations than any other country. They gave a larger percentage of what they have.
    And we cannot be sure how much of the US figure is 'military assistance'.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Malsidabym View Post
    Actually all costs are included when tallying the donated figures by countries, including vehicles and logistics. The comment was not about how those recieving donations felt, but about charity of these countries compared to others. The point about the % of GDP is to say that this is a real measure of how much a country is doing to help.
    Remember the biblical story of the rich men and the poor widow donating to the temple.

    Sacrificial giving is worth more than any amount. Norway for example, although the amount was less, has given more in donations than any other country. They gave a larger percentage of what they have.
    And we cannot be sure how much of the US figure is 'military assistance'.
    But it doesn't include personal donations. look at how many personal donatioans US citizens gave to the Tsunami relief fund.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by knuckles View Post
    But it doesn't include personal donations. look at how many personal donatioans US citizens gave to the Tsunami relief fund.
    Also consider how much was donated by people around the world. I think it is great that many US citizens donated, as it is great that citizens from all over the world did. (I am not sure where we are going with this )
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    I forgot to add the story,
    Luke21:1 As he looked up, Jesus saw the rich putting their gifts into the temple treasury. [2] He also saw a poor widow put in two very small copper coins. [3]"I tell you the truth," he said, "this poor widow has put in more than all the others. [4]All these people gave their gifts out of their wealth; but she out of her poverty put in all she had to live on."
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    Re: After Saddam, Iraqi women are used as sex objects

    format_quote Originally Posted by Malsidabym View Post
    Also consider how much was donated by people around the world. I think it is great that many US citizens donated, as it is great that citizens from all over the world did. (I am not sure where we are going with this )
    I've lost the point to so let's drop it:confused:
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