A Message for the Muslims in Britain

format_quote Originally Posted by saufia

These are two really beautiful articles. A must-read for the Muslims living in Britain:

http://www.shaykhabdalqadir.com/cont..._20022006.html

http://www.shaykhabdalqadir.com/cont..._17082005.html

Beautiful? He says Muslims should marry white girls as well as girls from back home, Muslim boys must study Urdu (not Arabic interestingly enough and he is wrong about it being the third most widely spoken language - Hindi might be close but Urdu is not), Muslims should join the Conservative Party, work to overthrow Democracy, create a dictatorship, impose Sharia law, and bring back the gold standard.

The phrase "bag full of beans" springs to mind.

Which part of that would anyone endorse? Deport the guy.

format_quote Originally Posted by czgibson

What a pair of horrible, hate-filled articles. I can't believe someone could call them 'beautiful'.

Muslim women too. Personally I might tolerate polygamy if I were a woman (and as a man I think there is a lot to be said for it really, if you think about it, which I don't, much) but it would have to be about love. To reduce marriage as a tool for baby production and eventual Muslim domination is appalling - how could you say to your first wife "I've met a Shishka I want to marry, but don't worry, I don't love her, it is all about having more children"?

Mind you I did not think they were hateful so much as, umm, what can I say on LI without sounding rude, ideosyncratic?

Muslim men dominating Britain? Can't see it happening myself.

Unfortunately I can.

I loooove Xenophobia!

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I love it!

format_quote Originally Posted by Muezzin

I loooove Xenophobia!

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I love it!

Well I suppose I can't complain about the Xenophobia label, or rather I can but it would not be worth it. However that does not change the fact that this article was, umm, odd. Tell me, do you think young Muslim men ought to be learning Urdu or Arabic? Do you really think that paper money renders zakat meaningless and so the world needs to return to the Gold Standard? Just because I may be a touch, umm, feed up with some Muslims, doesn't mean that it is irrational to oppose this man's views.

Wooh! I gots one, pa! Hook, line and sinker!

format_quote Originally Posted by HeiGou

Well I suppose I can't complain about the Xenophobia label, or rather I can but it would not be worth it.

Please tell me where I labelled you as such.

However that does not change the fact that this article was, umm, odd. Tell me, do you think young Muslim men ought to be learning Urdu or Arabic? Do you really think that paper money renders zakat meaningless and so the world needs to return to the Gold Standard? Just because I may be a touch, umm, feed up with some Muslims, doesn't mean that it is irrational to oppose this man's views.

Where did I say I disagreed with your statements? Sure, mine was ambiguous, but that's how my sardonic/sadistic humour works (IF it works). I disagree with the man's opinions, and think that they are xenophobic.

I also think that such comments can give rise to xenophobia.

deport

format_quote Originally Posted by Umm_Shaheed

Man, that article is way too long. They both are. Is it really worth reading?

I think so. You may.

format_quote Originally Posted by HeiGou

Beautiful? He says Muslims should marry white girls as well as girls from back home

and what IS wrong with that?? is there any british law out there saying muslim men whether they are born here or not shouldnt marry english women?..

Muslim boys must study Urdu (not Arabic interestingly enough and he is wrong about it being the third most widely spoken language - Hindi might be close but Urdu is not),

he didnt say Muslim Boys! he meant the Muslims of pakistani origin. is it a crime to study about your culture or heritage?

Muslims should join the Conservative Party, work to overthrow Democracy, create a dictatorship, impose Sharia law, and bring back the gold standard.

how can we impose sharia on a country which is not even muslim? ..the gold dinar in MUSLIM LANDS. so rich countries dont impose a never ending slavery on the poor!

Which part of that would anyone endorse? Deport the guy.

format_quote Originally Posted by searchingsoul

deport

format_quote Originally Posted by Emir Aziz

Brits should deport people like these.

deport him? this just goes to show you havent even read the article properly or know anything worth a ding dong about the man!..He is a native scot ..hes british..you thought he was some immigrant..read the articles AGAIN before you post anything inflammatory.

i dont agree with everything that scholar says..but he does make sense many a time.

this is what Shaykh Abdul Qadir said about URDU..reposting it for HEIGOU

It is the deep intellectual responsibility of the new Muslim generation in Britain not to lose the Urdu language. Many English textbooks will tell you that Urdu was just a syncretic language of the barracks, used by soldiers. If we deconstruct this Imperialist view, we find that Urdu was the language of the great Horde, and it is the sublime, complex and poetic language which gave birth to the splendour of the Mughal dynasty which brought to the Sub-continent the only civilisation it has ever known


You must know English, and you must know the English of Shakespeare and reject the creole English imposed on the masses by the bankers’ world system, I mean, that of Pop and Hip-Hop. It is Urdu, nevertheless, which will give you the great richness and sophistication of a language refined and developed by great Sufis and poets. At the same time, you will have access to the world outside, by it. English is the dominant world language today, followed by Chinese. The third language, by usage world-wide, is Urdu.

why are you against that heigou?? whats wrong with what he said..urdu is spoken in India Pakistan and many people in Bangladesh also do speak it..

in addition to the urdu speaking communties in the West, and the Arabian Gulf/Africa..dont know if its the third largest (i think it is) but other than that whats your objection?

format_quote Originally Posted by scentsofjannah

and what IS wrong with that?????????? is there any british law out there saying muslim men whether they are born here or not shouldnt marry english women?..you're really spekaing utter nonsense.

I do not think that any religious leader ought to encourage his followers to enter into loveless marriages with, essentially, baby-machines for the purpose of changing the demographic make-up of a country. You may but if so we have different views about the purpose and nature of marriage.

he didnt say Muslim Boys!!!!!!! he said the MUSLIMS OF PAKISTANI ORIGIN!!. i guess accoridng to you HEIGOU its a crime to study about your culture or heritage..seriously heigou..grow some brain cells.

It is an odd thing for a religious scholar to be suggesting. Surely Muslims ought to learn the Quran or a language that will help them get a job to support their families. Isn't nationalism forbidden in Islam?

how can we impose sharia on a country which is NOT EVEN MUSLIM??? are you out of your friggen mind?

Perhaps but he seems to want to make the Muslims powerful enough that the country will become a Muslim one. So it would be easy then.

..the gold dinar in MUSLIM LANDS. so rich countries dont impose a never ending slavery on the poor!

Uh huh. Why not with paper money?

this just goes to show you havent even read the article properly or no anything wortha ding dong about the man!..THIS GUY IS A NATIVE SCOT hes SCOTTISH BRITISH..you fools thought he was some immigrant..read the articles AGAIN before you even use your fingers to post any nonsense.

1. I do not care if he was born on Mars.

2. Where is the evidence that he is ethnically Scottish (and if so why is he demanding Muslims learn Urdu?)?

i dont agree with everything that scholar says..but he does make sense many a time.

Where and on what subject?

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