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  • the country i live in

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  • the country of my ethnic background

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  • the ummah

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    if you had to choose, what country would you owe your first allegiance to:
    1. the country i live in.
    2. the country of my ethnic group
    3. the ummah
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    Re: Poll for Muslims - 1st Allegiance

    format_quote Originally Posted by snakelegs View Post
    if you had to choose, what country would you owe your first allegiance to:
    1. the country i live in.
    2. the country of my ethnic group
    3. the ummah
    the country I live in.

    the ummah? - which country?
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    ^^The ummah is not a country, thats the problem with the question, the ummah is not united, so we cant side with it really.
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    Re: Poll for Muslims - 1st Allegiance

    because of the british muslim soldier who was killed in afghanistan, and people caling him "muslim" in quotes....
    should the 1st allegiance go to islam and the muslim people (this is the meaning of ummah, isn't it?)?
    hmmm...should i word it differently?
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    The Country with Islam and Sunnah implemented into its rules - the Ummah

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    Re: Poll for Muslims - 1st Allegiance

    format_quote Originally Posted by snakelegs View Post
    because of the british muslim soldier who was killed in afghanistan, and people caling him "muslim" in quotes....
    should the 1st allegiance go to islam and the muslim people (this is the meaning of ummah, isn't it?)?
    hmmm...should i word it differently?
    Well yes i guess so, the 1st (and i think only) allegiance is to Islam. but its a rather theoretical question at the moment isnt it, given that the Muslims are divided and too many of the leaders are corrupt.
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    Re: Poll for Muslims - 1st Allegiance

    snakelegs - do u think that Muslims can be a united ummah?

    My answer - ONLY in Mecca - for the purpose of hajj or umrah rituals.

    Other than that - it'll be like decades (the quickest) if not centuries.

    Muslims are not united - so no Ummah right now.
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    hmmmm.. maybe it's a stupid question? (it's getting late here)
    if UK had a draft, and a muslim had to choose whether to serve his country in a war against a muslim country, should he refuse?
    is his first duty to UK or to islam?
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    Re: Poll for Muslims - 1st Allegiance

    format_quote Originally Posted by north_malaysian View Post
    snakelegs - do u think that Muslims can be a united ummah?

    My answer - ONLY in Mecca - for the purpose of hajj or umrah rituals.

    Other than that - it'll be like decades (the quickest) if not centuries.

    Muslims are not united - so no Ummah right now.
    no, i know muslims are not a united ummah, but i thought they considered themselves to be a "people", an ummah in theory? the soldier was condemned for fighting muslims for a non-muslim country - the country he was a citizen of.
    oh, dear! i never should've started this one. my ignorance.
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    is his first duty to UK or to islam?
    ISLAM - deffo

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    islam before everything!
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    Islam deffo Heck I'd even fight against my own famaily if they opposed islam.
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    Re: Poll for Muslims - 1st Allegiance

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    Islam deffo Heck I'd even fight against my own famaily if they opposed islam.
    mashAllah
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    ass salaamu alaykum

    Islam i guess ... i'm surprised sum ppl would join the army and fight against their brothers !!...subhaanAllah

    wa alayum ass salaam

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    if people come and occupy Britain and oppress its people, muslims here are obligated under Islamic law to protect their country and their fellow country men/women, and children...even if the aggressor is a muslim army.

    however i dont believe any country has the right to protect itself by shipping planeloads and shiploads of soldiers to far off countries in other continents..how are British, US or Australian Soldiers defending their countries in Iraq/Afghanistan?

    the most effective way to defend your country is protecting your airspace, your seas, your borders...thats the way it was done since the dawn of time...sure invasions were common and but thats the most logical and humane thing to do.:thankyou:

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    I may ruffle some feathers but I think anyone who does not owe their first allegiance to the country they live in should anticipate and accept any hostilities thrown their way in the sake of patriotism.
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    Re: Poll for Muslims - 1st Allegiance

    format_quote Originally Posted by amirah_87 View Post
    ass salaamu alaykum

    Islam i guess ... i'm surprised sum ppl would join the army and fight against their brothers !!...subhaanAllah

    wa alayum ass salaam
    now that's confusing. being an army and fight against their brothers? being an army soldier means being responsible to keep their own soil safe from invaders. i always respect them to get us sleep peacefully and they are face-to face with danger in our name. (if they join an army to invade, that is wrong)
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    Re: Poll for Muslims - 1st Allegiance

    format_quote Originally Posted by Asyur an-Nagi View Post
    now that's confusing. being an army and fight against their brothers? being an army soldier means being responsible to keep their own soil safe from invaders. i always respect them to get us sleep peacefully and they are face-to face with danger in our name. (if they join an army to invade, that is wrong)
    I agree. We have national armies in today's world. We do not have religious armies....or do we?
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    The ummah is a 'Nation' why it doesn't have a army when every single other nation has is just stupid I'm sick of people saying oh we need a caliphate heck I'll be Calipha.
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    Re: Poll for Muslims - 1st Allegiance

    format_quote Originally Posted by islam-truth View Post


    The ummah is a 'Nation' why it doesn't have a army when every single other nation has is just stupid I'm sick of people saying oh we need a caliphate heck I'll be Calipha.
    bro thats the problem, no-one accepts a caliphah. No one seems good enough,if everyone would just accept one man as there Kaliphah then we might have been able to do something...
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