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ISRAELIS vs ARABS
WHO ARE THE REAL TERRORISTS?
By: Hal Turner

North Bergen, NJ USA -- For years, we in America have supported Israel both financially and militarily because we perceived they were the innocent victims of hostile and violent neighbors. The US media has, for years, provided extensive coverage of every incident involving Arab-against-Israeli violence. From shootings, to car bombs to suicide bombers, we in America have seen it all. Or have we?

Why would rational human beings, given a choice, choose to attack their neighbors rather than live together in peace? More pertinent, why would a rational human being choose to blow himself up rather than live? The Israelis, the US media and our politicians would have us believe that the Arabs are simply not rational. They routinely tell us that Arabs are "religious fanatics" who "hate freedom" or "hate our way of life" to quote George W. Bush. These arguments are fallacious and intellectually bankrupt.

The reason for Arab against Israeli violence is simple: The Israelis have been systematically repressing and brutalizing hundreds of thousands of Arabs on a scale unparalleled since World War 2. I have the proof.

Below are photographs of the victims of Israeli violence. They depict brutal, violent death, horrific personal injury and devastation of property which is simply unfathomable. ALL of it was perpetrated by Israelis against Arabs. ALL of the victims are civilians.

As you view these pictures ask yourself this question: What would YOU or YOUR LOVED ONES do in retaliation for these things?


DANGER: SEVENTY-SEVEN GRAPHIC PICTURES OF BRUTAL VIOLENCE, DEATH AND INJURY.

NOT FOR VIEWING BY CHILDREN OR PERSONS WITH WEAK HEARTS!

http://www.halturnershow.com/IsraeliAtrocities.html

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Salaam,

As i have siad,the arab goveremnt are too waek.

They think and think of what Islam call them to do but they forgt about unity.

They fear to do what is right and clear.
They fear what will happen to their own people,their own land and thier own sakes,they forget the UMmah.

They make traties with the warmongers and allow their own to be slained.

Inshallah,all this happen and the people who live in thee times under oppresion and still keep the faith..
Astarfillah...Alhmadulilah,,how strong is their faith.
their will

I liken them to the time of Jahiliah of the first muslim..

May Allah reward them
 
Do you really want to endorse these people?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hal_Turner

The Hal Turner Show

Turner's radio program originates from a studio in his home. It and his website both shut down temporarily in 2004 due to personal financial problems & the death of his mother. His website returned on-line in November 2004, and he re-started his radio show in June 2005. His site received more than 2.8 million page loads in its first year back on the web.

Turner is racist and anti-Semitic. He has proclaimed his willingness to have his listeners carry-out violence against Jews, blacks, Hispanics, and elected officials. Widely criticized for his views, he was also criticized for openly advocating violence and lawlessness. For example, he is quoted by the Southern Poverty Law Center as saying, "I advocate using extreme violence against illegal aliens. Clean your guns. Have plenty of ammunition. Find out where the largest gathering of illegal aliens will be near you. Go to the area well in advance, scope out several places to position yourself and then do what has to be done."[1]

Turner was interviewed by a number of news outlets in 2005 after it was revealed the FBI interviewed him following the murders of the mother and husband of federal district judge Joan Lefkow. Two years earlier, on his worldwide shortwave show, Turner stated that a decision made by Lefkow, which included an order to a racist "church" to burn its "Bibles", made her "worthy of being killed". After the judge's family was slaughtered, Turner posted a photo on his website of Judge Lefkow with the Headline "GOTCHA!".

Turner routinely goes after federal, state, and even local officials by exposing their home addresses and even publishing leaflets that citizens can print locally, to show their unhappiness with judges whose decisions they disagree with.

Turner's detractors have accused him of a grandiose ego and being overly self-congratulatory. The "Turner Radio Network" regulary hosts programs that exhibit racialist views, thereby endearing him to white racialists.​
 
Zionazi_Dissent said:
His article is 100% true.
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That is just the age old stupid concept of “the enemy of my enemy is my friend’.
But when that enemy is gone, you will have a new enemy.

If you are not a white protestant American male, you are supporting your future enemy.
 
wilberhum said:
That is just the age old stupid concept of “the enemy of my enemy is my friend’.
But when that enemy is gone, you will have a new enemy.

If you are not a white protestant American male, you are supporting your future enemy.
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stupid concept?

what's make it stupid concept?

can you say a single picture false there???

whatever u say

Palastaini people fight for their right with a empty hand compare to israelis arms.
They have no blame accept the honor.
They die with their head high.

True thing is israeli leaders those who run their country don’t care if their citizen die or not
but they do care a huge
to see
Palastain and the muslim world are suffering or not.
If u studies their order and activities u will understand it without error.
 
i_m_tipu said:
stupid concept?

what's make it stupid concept?

can you say a single picture false there???

whatever u say

Palastaini people fight for their right with a empty hand compare to israelis arms.
They have no blame accept the honor.
They die with their head high.

True thing is israeli leaders those who run their country don’t care if their citizen die or not
but they do care a huge
to see
Palastain and the muslim world are suffering or not.
If u studies their order and activities u will understand it without error.
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Do you have any idea what the post referred to? Hal Turner
If you conceder him you friend, you have a sad suprise in store.
Just think about the US helping OBL. He is not the only case where we have found that the enemy of our enemy is our future enemy.
 
i_m_tipu said:
stupid concept?

what's make it stupid concept?

can you say a single picture false there???

whatever u say

Palastaini people fight for their right with a empty hand compare to israelis arms.
They have no blame accept the honor.
They die with their head high.

True thing is israeli leaders those who run their country don’t care if their citizen die or not
but they do care a huge
to see
Palastain and the muslim world are suffering or not.
If u studies their order and activities u will understand it without error.
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No they die with the blood of little kids on buses on their hands. The only Pals that have honor are the ones working toward 2 states like Abu Mazen. The ones that war will only get death.
 
HeiGou said:
Do you really want to endorse these people?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hal_Turner

The Hal Turner Show

Turner's radio program originates from a studio in his home. It and his website both shut down temporarily in 2004 due to personal financial problems & the death of his mother. His website returned on-line in November 2004, and he re-started his radio show in June 2005. His site received more than 2.8 million page loads in its first year back on the web.

Turner is racist and anti-Semitic. He has proclaimed his willingness to have his listeners carry-out violence against Jews, blacks, Hispanics, and elected officials. Widely criticized for his views, he was also criticized for openly advocating violence and lawlessness. For example, he is quoted by the Southern Poverty Law Center as saying, "I advocate using extreme violence against illegal aliens. Clean your guns. Have plenty of ammunition. Find out where the largest gathering of illegal aliens will be near you. Go to the area well in advance, scope out several places to position yourself and then do what has to be done."[1]

Turner was interviewed by a number of news outlets in 2005 after it was revealed the FBI interviewed him following the murders of the mother and husband of federal district judge Joan Lefkow. Two years earlier, on his worldwide shortwave show, Turner stated that a decision made by Lefkow, which included an order to a racist "church" to burn its "Bibles", made her "worthy of being killed". After the judge's family was slaughtered, Turner posted a photo on his website of Judge Lefkow with the Headline "GOTCHA!".

Turner routinely goes after federal, state, and even local officials by exposing their home addresses and even publishing leaflets that citizens can print locally, to show their unhappiness with judges whose decisions they disagree with.

Turner's detractors have accused him of a grandiose ego and being overly self-congratulatory. The "Turner Radio Network" regulary hosts programs that exhibit racialist views, thereby endearing him to white racialists.​
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This does not change the validity of what was posted, it only confirms majority of the muslim world and some non-muslim of what they are doing.
 
hi there
wilberhum said:
Do you have any idea what the post referred to? Hal Turner
If you conceder him you friend, you have a sad suprise in store.
Just think about the US helping OBL. He is not the only case where we have found that the enemy of our enemy is our future enemy.
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i have nothing to deal with Hal Turner

a true is a true

it does not matter if it come from a Dubious people or not

or a true thing never convert to a lie even if it come from Dubious person

again
can you say a single picture false there?
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Geronimo said:
No they die with the blood of little kids on buses on their hands. The only Pals that have honor are the ones working toward 2 states like Abu Mazen. The ones that war will only get death.
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give me the ans
why Palestine peoples are fighting?
 
i_m_tipu said:
i have nothing to deal with Hal Turner

a true is a true

it does not matter if it come from a Dubious people or not

or a true thing never convert to a lie even if it come from Dubious person
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Well yes, but how do you know if it is true or not if you only know of it through a dubious person? May I ask what you think about the rules regarding isnads and aHadith - as I understand it a hadith is deemed unreliable if one person in the isnad is known to be a liar. Is that unfair?

give me the ans
why Palestine peoples are fighting?
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Presumably because they come from a culture that does not think this is wrong and they think it will get them somewhere.
 
hi HeiGou
HeiGou said:
Well yes, but how do you know if it is true or not if you only know of it through a dubious person? May I ask what you think about the rules regarding isnads and aHadith - as I understand it a hadith is deemed unreliable if one person in the isnad is known to be a liar. Is that unfair?
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What u say about the hadith is true.
But what u understands from that hadith is not accurate.

If u can not judge than u should avoid the talking of known a lair person.

But we r in information age HeiGou
Judging is very easy now

So if u can judge there nothing make a true to lie even if it comes from a dubious person.

HeiGou said:
Presumably because they come from a culture that does not think this is wrong
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Sad……

Children grew up with seeing their brother and parent killed in front of their eyes
People seeing their house totally destroyed
People seeing their family totally killed

They passing their day abnormally
Blame them who force them to grew up abnormally

HeiGou said:
they think it will get them somewhere
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According to my knowledge there is no country in the world did not fight for their freedom and right.

Do you deny..
they are fighting for their right
 
i_m_tipu said:
Sad……

Children grew up with seeing their brother and parent killed in front of their eyes
People seeing their house totally destroyed
People seeing their family totally killed

They passing their day abnormally
Blame them who force them to grew up abnormally
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For about twenty years from 1949 to 1969 or so, no Palestinian children saw their brothers and parents killed in front of their eyes. From 1969 or so to 1987 very very few Palestinian children saw any violence at all not even their homes destroyed. But in all that time there was some degree of terrorism. After 1969 especially there was a rise in violence committed by Palestinians against Israelis. Why do you have no sympathy for the Jewish children who grew up seeing their brothers and parents killed in front of their eyes? Perhaps it is growing up abnormally in Israel that has caused these attacks on Palestinians?

According to my knowledge there is no country in the world did not fight for their freedom and right.

Do you deny..
they are fighting for their right
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Well I think there are countries that don't but that must apply to Israel as well. Do you deny they are fighting for their rights?

My basic problem here isn't the fighting for their rights, it is the stupid, self defeating, violent, terrorism-related form of fighting they have chosen. It is not working. There is little reason to think it will work. And I would oppose it even if it did work. There can be no peace with people who want to subjugate the world.
 
HeiGou said:
For about twenty years from 1949 to 1969 or so, no Palestinian children saw their brothers and parents killed in front of their eyes. From 1969 or so to 1987 very very few Palestinian children saw any violence at all not even their homes destroyed. But in all that time there was some degree of terrorism. After 1969 especially there was a rise in violence committed by Palestinians against Israelis. Why do you have no sympathy for the Jewish children who grew up seeing their brothers and parents killed in front of their eyes? Perhaps it is growing up abnormally in Israel that has caused these attacks on Palestinians?
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U gives statistic from 1949 to 1987. let explained it in details.

What happened to rest of (2006-1987) 19 yrs

In 1923-1947 map shows there are no Israeli existence on that map of Palestine

In 29/nov/1947 Israeli UN proposed a partition for the Jewish and Palestine
Where we found Jewish had the nearly 55-60% of the map and the Palestine had nearly 40-45% of the map

1947-1949 1st Arab Israeli war
Israel expanding their border and redraw the map forcedly to 65-70% and Palestine 30-35% of the Palestine- Israel map.

1967 2nd Arab Israeli war Israel expanding their border again this time they took nearly 75-80% of the Palestine- Israel map and poor Palestine had 20-25%.

They expanding their border again and again and again

Does u have any justification of such invasion??

Ur above comment really surprised me


HeiGou said:
Well I think there are countries that don't but that must apply to Israel as well. Do you deny they are fighting for their rights?

My basic problem here isn't the fighting for their rights, it is the stupid, self defeating, violent, terrorism-related form of fighting they have chosen. It is not working. There is little reason to think it will work. And I would oppose it even if it did work. There can be no peace with people who want to subjugate the world.
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I don’t want to answer it

I just quote a post which u posted on
Palestine is ‘property of Islam’!
On 05-16-2006

HeiGou said:


I don't think you have to redraw borders - and what happened after WW1? - but you do need to let the Germans et al return to their homes where they lived before 1945. In the case of Palestine it is easier because the refugees are still in camps waiting to go home. They have a legal and moral right to go home. That needs to be enforced.

The existence of Israel provides no benefits to anyone. It is a strategic and moral liability to the West. It can only exist through the wholesale abuse of Palestinian human rights. The Jewish Israelis would be better off in the West. I think the West needs to offer them all that choice.
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i_m_tipu said:
U gives statistic from 1949 to 1987. let explained it in details.

What happened to rest of (2006-1987) 19 yrs

In 1923-1947 map shows there are no Israeli existence on that map of Palestine

In 29/nov/1947 Israeli UN proposed a partition for the Jewish and Palestine
Where we found Jewish had the nearly 55-60% of the map and the Palestine had nearly 40-45% of the map

1947-1949 1st Arab Israeli war
Israel expanding their border and redraw the map forcedly to 70% and Palestine 30% of the Palestine- Israel map.

1967 2nd Arab Israeli war Israel expanding their border again this time they took nearly 75-80% of the Palestine- Israel map and poor Palestine had 20-25%.
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Notice that there was very little trauma inflicted on the Palestinian civilian population between these two dates. Terrorism arose around 1967 but it was not caused by the Israeli Army blowing up people's houses because they were not blowing up people's houses at that time.

They expanding their border again and again and again

Does u have any justification of such invasion??
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Not really. But as long as there is no chance of making peace, there is no point searching for a peaceful solution.

Ur above comment really surprised me

I don’t want to answer it

I just quote a post which u posted on
Palestine is ‘property of Islam’!
On 05-16-2006
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Sure. Posting here has not been a happy experience for me. I was wrong. You all have made that clear to me. It is still true that Israel is a liability, but as long as there is no point to working for peace, there is no point withdrawing from anything. That just brings more innocent people within rocket range and gives heart to the radicals. Maybe one day there will be a basis for peace between Muslims and non-Muslims but I do not see one at present. Either we rule "you" or "you" oppress us.
 
we prove u wrong??????
see this

Massacre of Israeli 1967 war

a little statistic
50,000 troops (Israel)
(264,000 including mobilized reservists)
197 combat aircraft

280,000 troops (Arab)
(Egypt 150,000; Syria 75,000; Jordan 55,000)
812 combat aircraft

Casualties (Israel)
779 killed,
2,563 wounded,
15 prisoners

(official casualties) (Arab)
21,000 killed,
45,000 wounded,
6,000 prisoners
over 400 aircraft destroyed
(estimates)

if u still not finding the real peace breaker
than i have nothing to say.
 
i_m_tipu said:
we prove u wrong??????
see this

Massacre of Israeli 1967 war

a little statistic
50,000 troops (Israel)
(264,000 including mobilized reservists)
197 combat aircraft

280,000 troops (Arab)
(Egypt 150,000; Syria 75,000; Jordan 55,000)
812 combat aircraft

Casualties (Israel)
779 killed,
2,563 wounded,
15 prisoners

(official casualties) (Arab)
21,000 killed,
45,000 wounded,
6,000 prisoners
over 400 aircraft destroyed
(estimates)

if u still not finding the real peace breaker
than i have nothing to say.
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What does that prove except my point? Massacre? Israel fought an open war due to (I still think mostly spurious) provocation against soldiers. They fought well and won. They killed quite a few Arab soldiers in the course of that War. How is that a massacre? How can you even begin to call it a massacre? How is it Israel's fault that their soldiers fought well and the Arabs, by and large, did not?

Moreover what does this have to do with peace? Israel claimed it had to fight that war because of acts of aggression. Perhaps. Perhaps not. It has nothing to do with who wants peace or not.

The bottom line for me is simple: does Islam give me the right you all demand for the Palestinians - to live my own life in my own country according to my own laws and customs? The answer, I have been told enough now to believe, is no, it does not. The next question is trivial - would I prefer Israel fight Islamists in Lebanon or would I prefer to have them come to London?
 

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