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    Brothers and Sisters.

    I live in Jerusalem. I want to make it clear, that I think my childrens futures would be better of under Israeli control. My kids go to very good schools, they learn a lot, because of Israel they will be able to go to college for FREE. Just because we are Muslims and a minority Israel is going to give my kids a FREE COLLEGE. I was very happy at recieving this news.

    I have a cousin who was killed in the Gaza Strip! Not by an Israeli, but by his own countrymen. By a Hamas supporter. Hamas and Fatah have spent all of the money that should go to building schools and hospitals to buying bullets. They killed innocent in Gaza, and are out fo control with there hunger for power against eachother. The innocent are the ones who paid the price. My cousin paid the price.

    I look at the Gaza Strip, and the West Bank, and I look at the instabability, and how even after Palestine is a country and my people get a country of there own, Fatah and Hamas will continue fighting, and the people who want peace for there children like me will be lost in the cross fire.

    I would just like to let you know that I am a Muslim who lives under Israeli control and I am not opressed.

    Hate me because I do not go along with your agenda, but I could not care. Call me up when its your kids futures on the line, and call me up when your not just watching this whole conflict from your TV set in England.

    When the bullets are flying and they could actually hit YOU. Your opinion changes into a voice for peace.

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    Re: My view from Jerusalem

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    At the end of the day Hamas said they would accept a long-term truce
    True, but they will not recognize the right for Israel to exist. One of there objectives, the elimination of Israel, is still part of there agendia. I asume that a long-term truce would be used to re-arm and re-group for future attacks.
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    Re: My view from Jerusalem

    format_quote Originally Posted by Chuck View Post
    Why Hamas can't accept Israel as a state? There are more important issues like ending corruption and poverty in Palestinian areas.

    to Chuck / wilberhum,

    the prophet Muhammad (saws) is reported to have said we cannot hand over even one handspan of muslim land and as muslims accept his word as final then really that is it.

    therefore israel will never be recognised, full stop, it cannot and if hamas did so they would lose their support and help from the islamically minded people of the world as they have ruled by something other than Shariah.

    if however an islamic force, i.e hamas were to sign a long term truce then this would have to be recognised by everyone else.

    However the zionists are too stubborn to see the opportunity in front of them, and too stubborn to see the islamic forces arising around them. if they dont take hamas up on their offer soon then sooner rather than later an islamic state will come about in the middle east and when that happens israel is doomed.

    note i say israel, not necessarily all jews there. but the zionist state would be wiped off the map as a country at that point.

    if however they are wise then can sign a long term truce now which is really the best they'll ever get.

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    Re: My view from Jerusalem

    format_quote Originally Posted by Dawud_uk View Post
    to Chuck / wilberhum,

    the prophet Muhammad (saws) is reported to have said we cannot hand over even one handspan of muslim land and as muslims accept his word as final then really that is it.
    How about Spain & Portugal (Al Andalus)?
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    Re: My view from Jerusalem

    format_quote Originally Posted by north_malaysian View Post
    How about Spain & Portugal (Al Andalus)?

    Andalus has a very high reversion rate, only the UK and France have a faster reversion rate so the situation will resolve itself as the people forced to accept trinitarian christianity gradually become muslim in greater numbers.
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    Re: My view from Jerusalem

    format_quote Originally Posted by Dawud_uk View Post
    Andalus has a very high reversion rate, only the UK and France have a faster reversion rate so the situation will resolve itself as the people forced to accept trinitarian christianity gradually become muslim in greater numbers.
    I thought it's higher in USA and Canada....(the reversion). There is an ISlamic University in Granada isnt it?
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    Re: My view from Jerusalem

    format_quote Originally Posted by north_malaysian View Post
    I thought it's higher in USA and Canada....(the reversion). There is an ISlamic University in Granada isnt it?
    apologies you are right,

    i meant to right highest in europe!
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    we cannot hand over even one handspan of muslim land
    What makes Israel Muslim land? The fact that Muslims conquered it automatically makes it Muslim land?

    Do you have long enough vision to realize it was Jewish land way before Islam and remains to be Jewish land.
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    Re: My view from Jerusalem

    format_quote Originally Posted by Dawud_uk View Post
    to Chuck / wilberhum,

    the prophet Muhammad (saws) is reported to have said we cannot hand over even one handspan of muslim land and as muslims accept his word as final then really that is it.

    therefore israel will never be recognised, full stop, it cannot and if hamas did so they would lose their support and help from the islamically minded people of the world as they have ruled by something other than Shariah.

    if however an islamic force, i.e hamas were to sign a long term truce then this would have to be recognised by everyone else.

    However the zionists are too stubborn to see the opportunity in front of them, and too stubborn to see the islamic forces arising around them. if they dont take hamas up on their offer soon then sooner rather than later an islamic state will come about in the middle east and when that happens israel is doomed.

    note i say israel, not necessarily all jews there. but the zionist state would be wiped off the map as a country at that point.

    if however they are wise then can sign a long term truce now which is really the best they'll ever get.

    Daw'ud
    Therefore there can never be peace. What a worderfull thought.
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    Re: My view from Jerusalem

    format_quote Originally Posted by מדינת ישׂראל View Post
    What makes Israel Muslim land? The fact that Muslims conquered it automatically makes it Muslim land?

    Do you have long enough vision to realize it was Jewish land way before Islam and remains to be Jewish land.
    I've read somewhere that Abraham is a Hebrew. And 'Hebrew' means 'a native of Euphrates'.. Which means he migrated to Palestine then.... so there must be somebody living there before the Jews?
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    Re: My view from Jerusalem

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    Exactly what I was about to say...

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    Re: My view from Jerusalem

    format_quote Originally Posted by north_malaysian View Post
    I've read somewhere that Abraham is a Hebrew. And 'Hebrew' means 'a native of Euphrates'.. Which means he migrated to Palestine then.... so there must be somebody living there before the Jews?
    Abraham was not born in the Holy Land.
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    Re: My view from Jerusalem

    format_quote Originally Posted by מדינת ישׂראל View Post
    Abraham was not born in the Holy Land.
    So who was born there before he came? Greeks?
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