are we going to sit down on our behinds and stare at the world to soon call us Islamic Fascists???
The term has already started being used by the US and the UK...
the least we can do is remind others about this and alert them about this dangerous concept soon to come and expand and replace what is now known as Terrorism
Nobody should be offended by this phrase, unless of course you agree with that philosophy. When Tony Blair or George Bush use the phrase "Islamic fascists", they are referring to an ideology. The same ideology that promotes suicide bombs, mass murder, etc, in the name of a religion. Both men have stated numerous times in the past that the war is not against the whole of Islam, but a particular ideology.
Nobody should be offended by this phrase, unless of course you agree with that philosophy. When Tony Blair or George Bush use the phrase "Islamic fascists", they are referring to an ideology. The same ideology that promotes suicide bombs, mass murder, etc, in the name of a religion. Both men have stated numerous times in the past that the war is not against the whole of Islam, but a particular ideology.
yes, they are against islam because islam also includes a political, an economic and other factors other than just acts of worship.
now if someone such as bush or blair comes along and wages war against those other those who believe in and try to enact those other aspects then such a person is waging war against islam in its entire form because as muslims we cannot pick and choose which bits we wont and which we dont want.
are we going to sit down on our behinds and stare at the world to soon call us Islamic Fascists???
The term has already started being used by the US and the UK...
the least we can do is remind others about this and alert them about this dangerous concept soon to come and expand and replace what is now known as Terrorism
what are we to do about it??
Actually, the whole point of the phrase is to make a distinction between Islam and an perverse totalitarian political ideology which abuses the values of Islam.
Thats what they would say, anyhow. I am personally not such a fan of the concept, IMHO it makes an unwarranted distinction between ideology and religion when discussing Islam.
Do you mean that Muslims in general cannot root out evil... or that only bad Muslims cannot root out evil?
Are you saying that Muslims cannot tell right from wrong?
Musilms in general WILL NOT root out evil, if it is committed by fellow Muslims. There is an idology of "Stand by Your Brother" no matter what he does and just blaim everything on the non-Muslims. At that is what I see.
Bush and Blair are trying to root out the evil people.
You’re view is that it is against ALL Muslims. It is sad that Muslims cannot root out evil.
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I am confused the whole reason bush and blair went on war is to stop the killing of innocent people right... There cliam Taliban and alqaed kill innocent people that means they are terriost. Doesnt that make George bush and blair terriost as well. I mean if you are going to use the fact Taliban uses human shield so thats something expected from them since they are terriost. But american killing more innocent civilians than taliban saddam and alqaeda put together. Does that not make America a terrorist state? Therefore Alqaeda are not Terrorist instead they are freedom fighters. Al qaed are fighting for the freedom of Iraqi people and people of Afanganistan.. You cannot call one side evil and call the other side good. After the rape and murder of the 14 year old girl and her sister 5 and mother. It was Alqaide who punished the american soldiers i believe only 2 but still. Therefore for that girl and her family american troops were the terrorist and alqaeda were freedom fighters. And possible for alot more people in iraq could agree with the fact that alqaed is a group of freedom fighters not terrorist.
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Musilms in general WILL NOT root out evil, if it is committed by fellow Muslims. There is an idology of "Stand by Your Brother" no matter what he does and just blaim everything on the non-Muslims. At that is what I see.
Americans are standing by the american soldiers even though they are causing terror in iraq and afganistan. See how it looks stupid to generalize all americans like that. You cannot generalize all muslim like that either. I know alot of muslims who oppose al qaide and majority of the crack down on terror went down in canada, britian and american were thanks to muslims who called the Authorities... 17 in canada were arrested after imam called the csis.. Majority of the terror plots were foiled thanks to muslims. I dont see this muslim ignoring just because the terrorist are muslims...
Musilms in general WILL NOT root out evil, if it is committed by fellow Muslims. There is an idology of "Stand by Your Brother" no matter what he does and just blaim everything on the non-Muslims. At that is what I see.
Those are your words, Joe98 said "cannot".
And how do you manage to believe everything your government tells you? Pakistan is Muslim and was very important in foiling the latest plot -- so we're told. Saudi Arabia (moderate! Saudi Arabia) is on America's side of the war on terror. Will they not root out evil?
You see...
You manage to pick up the Islamophobia cues from your government. But you don't pick up on the pro-Islam cues.
Why is that?
And must I now denounce a Muslim?
Saddam was bad.
bin Laden bad, bad medicine.
I see one major problem with the world is that we all seem to know how to talk, yet very few seem to know how to communicate. We seem to view our statements from an analytical view point and believe that the established definitions and grammatical structure will prevent misunderstandings.
That would be true, if all words had the same connontations to all people. But, the reality is that what I see as harmless, may be seen as offensive to another person. so it is with all statements.
I really doubt that Bush intended for the view to be taken that he was calling Muslims Fascists. Not to justify him, just to explain. Our little Texas Shrub will not go down in history as the world's greatest orator. Public speaking and the English language are not his strong points. He could learn a lot if he tried to emulate Calvin Coolidge (ie: Silent Cal) or Millard Fillmore (The guy who forgot to show up for his inaugeration). Both Presidents gained fame and trust by keeping their mouths shut.
are we going to sit down on our behinds and stare at the world to soon call us Islamic Fascists???
The term has already started being used by the US and the UK...
the least we can do is remind others about this and alert them about this dangerous concept soon to come and expand and replace what is now known as Terrorism
what are we to do about it??
I heard Bush say that... and it wasn't very fair. Let ME deal with him. Till then, please accept my apology.
Musilms in general WILL NOT root out evil, if it is committed by fellow Muslims. There is an idology of "Stand by Your Brother" no matter what he does and just blaim everything on the non-Muslims. At that is what I see.
Of brother! If that's so then please explain to me why Shariah is viewed as dishing out such extreme punishments? I'd say Muslims know how to root out evil and may even be better at it than we are.
President Bush is supposed to be a leader but he hasn't behaved like one from the start... he has an agenda all his own and it shows every time he opens his mouth. This time is no different.
'Islamic fascism' is an oxy-moron. Fascism is an un-islamic ideology.
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There is an idology of "Stand by Your Brother" no matter what he does and just blaim everything on the non-Muslims. At that is what I see.
No such ideology exists in Islam. In fact it contradicts the explicit teachings of the Qur'an and the Prophet Muhammad pbuh.
5:8 O you who have believed, be persistently standing firm for Allah, witnesses in justice, and do not let the hatred harbored by others towards you prevent you from being just. Be just; that is nearer to righteousness. And be mindful of Allah; indeed, Allah is Acquainted with what you do.
Allah's Apostle said, "Help your brother, whether he is an oppressor or he is an oppressed one." People asked, "O Allah's Apostle! It is all right to help him if he is oppressed, but how should we help him if he is an oppressor?" The Prophet said, "By preventing him from oppressing others." (Sahîh Bukhârî).
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The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said: "Surely I was sent to perfect the qualities of righteous character" [Musnad Ahmad, Muwatta Mâlik]
Of brother! If that's so then please explain to me why Shariah is viewed as dishing out such extreme punishments? I'd say Muslims know how to root out evil and may even be better at it than we are.
President Bush is supposed to be a leader but he hasn't behaved like one from the start... he has an agenda all his own and it shows every time he opens his mouth. This time is no different.
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Shariah Law is very good at rooting out people who break religious law. But people who commit offense to non-Muslims are often given an excuse or Muslims will often stand by the person even if he is wrong.
No such ideology exists in Islam. In fact it contradicts the explicit teachings of the Qur'an and the Prophet Muhammad pbuh.
No one is saying Islam teaches fascism. But we are saying that there are Muslims that act like fascists some times, and these people should be condemned by other Muslims when they act without care for law or humanity.
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