What if, by January 2004, the United States had successfully captured, tried, and executed Saddam Hussein, defeated the entire Iraqi resistance?
Had that happened, how would today -- 10/28/2006 -- look? Would it be the same, or be slightly or greatly different? And what would the Middle East change -- focus especially on Iran and Syria here.
"This world is a blank price tag, and whatever value you put on it, is what its worth to you. I have made this world priceless and worthless, so therefore I have placed my value in the afterlife."
The "real" situation in Iraq is that American soldiers are standing around at checkpoints when they should be back at base training for the next mission, and there will be one fairly soon. Iraq is up to the Iraqis at this point. U.S. Marines should not be playing policeman and stepping inbetween a quasi civil war. Half of me says get all Americans out of Iraq and bless them with our fingers crossed, and the other half says we have no choice but to see the thing through to the end.
No you make it complicated then it is.
And Offcourse this is a full scale Invasion by the USA.
Iraq is no where near a full scale invasion of the US, i am not sure you understand the size and might of the American armed forces, there is navy, air force, army, etc. Actually 5 divisions in all, and if we really wanted to take over and run things believe me we could, and without much of a problem either. If the entire population of Iraq wanted to fight the US and the US wanted to fight them, we could win that war in less than 6 months. Please understand this is not what i want, but do understand if we wanted this control and oil or whatever else we could very easily just take it and turn iraq into a giant crater
but you wouldnt as you would have a massive war with every muslim in the world, hence why you used limited resources because a full invasion would make your evil intentions too obvious.
besides, the US is already massively committed to other theatres, if it went whole sale into iraq it would have to withdraw from these other areas and the people it oppressed there would then be free to rebel.
as mighty as you think you are, Allah is mightier.
however well you think you plan and plot, Allah is the best of planners.
but you wouldnt as you would have a massive war with every muslim in the world, hence why you used limited resources because a full invasion would make your evil intentions too obvious.
besides, the US is already massively committed to other theatres, if it went whole sale into iraq it would have to withdraw from these other areas and the people it oppressed there would then be free to rebel.
as mighty as you think you are, Allah is mightier.
however well you think you plan and plot, Allah is the best of planners.
Abu Abdullah
Dawud, I would like to first say i apologize if i offended you with my last remark, with that said, my point is there is no plot, Iraq was a big mistake, the US needs to get out, it is not our place. I think this would happen much quicker if the insurgents stopped killing everyone, but what are the chances of that? Also I think the majority of Muslims already do hate us so what would be the difference in that anyways? Also, please let me know what country the US oppresses, i will be very eager to see your answer to this. This is going way off my original point, my point was that the US wants to leave Iraq, we dont want our soldiers there and we dont want anything else from there. We simply want the fighting to stop so the country will become stable and be self supported. Come up with all the conspiracy "theories" you want but the fact of the matter is the US is in Iraq because of the other foreign invaders and left overs from Saddams regime that have brought the country to a civil war.
"War does not determine who is right - only who is left."
- Bertrand Russell
"He who fears being conquered is sure of defeat." - Napoleon Bonaparte
"There is nothing so likely to produce peace as to be well prepared to meet the
enemy." - George Washington
look at the history of the US, it aint pretty. one conquest after another and one oppression of a native people after another.
iraq is one in a long line of oppressions upon other peoples.
for asked for an example, look at saudi arabia... if the US troops pulled out the regime there wouldnt last 6 months and in its place would come a true islamic state insha'allah but the people there are held down because of the fact that they know if their own govt was overthrown then the US garison would do the govt's job for them and hence a blood bath would result.
look at the history of the US, it aint pretty. one conquest after another and one oppression of a native people after another.
iraq is one in a long line of oppressions upon other peoples.
for asked for an example, look at saudi arabia... if the US troops pulled out the regime there wouldnt last 6 months and in its place would come a true islamic state insha'allah but the people there are held down because of the fact that they know if their own govt was overthrown then the US garison would do the govt's job for them and hence a blood bath would result.
Abu Abdullah
Dawud,
I think that you might think a little to much into things, just because certain countries are allies of the US doesnt mean there government is controlled by the US. I respect your opinions, but please take some time to look on the good side of things, the US isnt this country that wants an end to Islam, as a matter of fact if you ask a Muslim in our country if they like our country the majority would say yes, and they practice their religion here the same as they would anywhere, it is one of the great things about this country, which is the freedom of religion. We do have our problems and corruption, but tell me a country that doesnt, power = corruption, absolute power = absolute corruption. You cant tell me you think the whole world is run by the US. There are many Islamic countries that could be considered "evil" or whatever too, just depends on how you look at it. I for one think if the US does win the war in Iraq it could be a lot better place to live than it ever was before, if they lose the same people who think it is ok to kill and torture these so called "traitors" will run the country, and how will that be any different then Saddams reign. He did the exact same thing, he killed who he thought was a traitor.
"War does not determine who is right - only who is left."
- Bertrand Russell
"He who fears being conquered is sure of defeat." - Napoleon Bonaparte
"There is nothing so likely to produce peace as to be well prepared to meet the
enemy." - George Washington
Dawud, I would like to first say i apologize if i offended you with my last remark, with that said, my point is there is no plot, Iraq was a big mistake, the US needs to get out, it is not our place. I think this would happen much quicker if the insurgents stopped killing everyone, but what are the chances of that? Also I think the majority of Muslims already do hate us so what would be the difference in that anyways? Also, please let me know what country the US oppresses, i will be very eager to see your answer to this. This is going way off my original point, my point was that the US wants to leave Iraq, we dont want our soldiers there and we dont want anything else from there. We simply want the fighting to stop so the country will become stable and be self supported. Come up with all the conspiracy "theories" you want but the fact of the matter is the US is in Iraq because of the other foreign invaders and left overs from Saddams regime that have brought the country to a civil war.
Insurgents stop killing everyone? And who has the US killed? Noone?
There is a SUNNI ISLAMIC STATE established in the sunni areas.The center of the Islamic State is in Baghdad There are 2 groups of Shiite surgency. 1 Goes with the Americans, the other does not. Thats how simple it is. I dont know what you cant understand? How much more clarification do you need? And Offcourse this is a full scale Invasion by the USA.
I am afraid you are quite wrong and over simplifying the matter. But perhaps you could explain your credentials and why you are an expert on the matter.
If American backed Governance wins in any place, while the American's are being governed by leaders whom would have been regarded as the bad guys within Indigenous American Tradition, and whom are causing American Governance to adhere to occultist method; well then, if anybody they back is winning, life is loosing.
But if they were to free themselves from the strangle hold of occultist control of Christian Churches whom are not being governed by true believers (believers in Revelations at least if not the full Prophesy as Mohammed -blessing Him- revealed), why then, why would they want to 'win' in Iraq?
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An accuser's false allegation
Did warrant only my Nation in apology for inconveniences
its shaytan leeches
who accuse
my unconscious sleep
of accusing you too cheep
I will be selling for five times three
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