Friday, 24th November 2006, 07:40
Category: Crime and Punishment
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A racist football thug who spat at a Muslim and abused her as she travelled home from a service for the July 7 bombing victims was jailed for 21 months yesterday.
Charles Adams, 23, of Colindale, called the white Muslim convert in a burkha a 'Muslim slag' and said her four year-old son, who was with her, would be the 'next suicide bomber' in the 20 minute ordeal on a train.
His father Mark Adams, 50, and brother Mark Adams, 26, joined in the abuse, telling her to 'shut the **** up' and that she should 'go back to her own country'.
Victim Michelle Idrees, of Luton, had attended a July 7th bombings ceremony in Hyde Park in August 2005 with her four children aged between four and eleven, a nephew and some friends.
Meanwhile, father and son football louts the Adams had spent the afternoon in the pub drinking after watching Arsenal play at Highbury stadium in the first game of the season.
Aisha Khan, prosecuting, told Middlesex Guildhall Crown Court that the Idrees family boarded a Thameslink train at King's Cross station, and found seating near a toilet.
She said: "Charles Adams walked past the group and said 'Terrorist bomber, bomber terrorist'.
"In response, she stood up and said 'Why are you calling us terrorists?' An argument then followed.
"She didn't wish to put up with the abuse in front of her children. Other witnesses described her protective stance before her children.
"It was then that Charles Adams called her a Muslim slag'.
"He then turned to her four year-old son, who was sitting next to her, and said 'That's the next suicide bomber'.
"Mark Adams junior then became involved, he told his brother to leave it, and then told Michelle Idrees to 'Shut up, shut up, *****'.
"Charles Adams then came towards Michelle Idrees, he appeared very fired up. Mark Adams junior was holding his brother back and it was at this point that Charles leaned across his brother and spat in the face of Michelle Idrees.
"She described feeling quite degraded.
"Later on in the incident Mark Adams senior became involved. He approached Michelle Idrees and said 'Why are you dressed like a Paki if you don't want these things done to you?
"'I can't take my daughter on the train to see a football match or to the West End because of people like you. Why don't you go back to your own country?'"
The ordeal lasted 20 minutes before Mrs Idrees notified the train conductor and the train was stopped at West Hampstead station while police arrived.
Ms Khan added: "A witnesses described it as the worst scene of violent abuse he had seen in his life."
Mr Justice Calvert-Smith described the attack as a 'long, terrifying and humiliating experience'. He added: "It's undoubtedly the case that supporters of football who drink alcohol are much more likely to lose their inhibitions and behave like you three did on this day.
"Everybody who lived in London in August 2005 was still affected by the events of the 21st July and before that, the dreadful experience of the 7th July, but that is no excuse whatsoever for your behaviour."
Mr Justice Calvert-Smith jailed Charles Adams for a total of 21 months for racially aggravated common assault and affray.
Adams, a window cleaner and father of one, with another child due in three months, had previously been jailed for attacking a man with a golf club and leaving him with 33 stitches to the head. His father Mark Adams was given a 30 week prison term suspended for 12 months for racially aggravated threatening and abusive behaviour.
Mark Adams junior was ordered to pay £250 compensation to the victim, £400 court costs and do 100 hours community service for public harassment
I wonder if anyone else on the train came to her defense...
I doubt it. One muslim sister got punched in the nose after 9/11 on the london underground, whilst she was on the tube by some man- who'd attacked her for no other reason then being muslim (she was wearing a headscarf). An old lady offered her a tissue to wipe the blood off her nose, but no-one came to her aid.
Another sister in Scotland was smacked over the head with a bottle by a man after 9/11 as well, in a full bus with passengers and no-one in the bus helped her, even though she was bleeding. The bus driver didnt even stop for her or call ambulance- he just let her out on the next stop and drove off. She was also wearing a headscarf at the time of attack.
In both instances, they're were many wtinesses but yet they all remain silent and unmoved from their chairs when these attacks too place- men and women.
So, do i think anyone rushed to help this hijabi woman who was being intmidated and aggresively hassled by three men? I doubt it, but i hope someone did.
If none of those women were unreconsiable as muslims and looked like any other asian or white woman, would they have been helped more? Yes!
Sad really because had i been there, whether the victim was muslim or no muslim, i'd never watch that happen to someone and stay silent. Even if i couldnt confront the aggersor out of fear of being harmed, i wouldnt walk away from someone hurt and atleast see if they're ok or if they need any police/ambulance or something. I would have thought that most people would do that as well, but it turns out not to be the case.
Slander and verbal assault are crimes. And they should be.
However, there should not be a special category of "hate crimes". The crime is the crime regardless of motivation.
The wrongdoer should get the same punishment for racist slander as for slander about other things, like personal history or family association or appearance or whatever.
I doubt it. One muslim sister got punched in the nose after 9/11 on the london underground, whilst she was on the tube by some man- who'd attacked her for no other reason then being muslim (she was wearing a headscarf). An old lady offered her a tissue to wipe the blood off her nose, but no-one came to her aid.
Another sister in Scotland was smacked over the head with a bottle by a man after 9/11 as well, in a full bus with passengers and no-one in the bus helped her, even though she was bleeding. The bus driver didnt even stop for her or call ambulance- he just let her out on the next stop and drove off. She was also wearing a headscarf at the time of attack.
ffended: ffended: You dont have much of a friendly country there do you...
who was this p***, werent there any people around to help her.. i would kicked that dum sob ass.. whats there problem whay they attacking lady for, yh they thik there big cuz they spat at a muslim lady. buch of idiots
... they should lock these peole for life..
''described it as the worst scene of violent abuse he had seen in his life''
well u should of done something or atleast of said something.. what about the kids what u think how he must of felt.. callin him the next suicide bomber.. watching his mother being spit at u think hes gonna forget that..
who was this p***, werent there any people around to help her.. i would kicked that dum sob ass.. whats there problem whay they attacking lady for, yh they thik there big cuz they spat at a muslim lady. buch of idiots
... they should lock these peole for life..
''described it as the worst scene of violent abuse he had seen in his life''
well u should of done something or atleast of said something.. what about the kids what u think how he must of felt.. callin him the next suicide bomber.. watching his mother being spit at u think hes gonna forget that..
I agree with you that the bahaviour was disgusting, and others should have defended her. But do you really think you could have "kicked that dum sob ass"? What if he planted you firmly on your bottom on the floor of the train? What help would you be to the woman then?
I doubt it. One muslim sister got punched in the nose after 9/11 on the london underground, whilst she was on the tube by some man- who'd attacked her for no other reason then being muslim (she was wearing a headscarf). An old lady offered her a tissue to wipe the blood off her nose, but no-one came to her aid.
Another sister in Scotland was smacked over the head with a bottle by a man after 9/11 as well, in a full bus with passengers and no-one in the bus helped her, even though she was bleeding. The bus driver didnt even stop for her or call ambulance- he just let her out on the next stop and drove off. She was also wearing a headscarf at the time of attack.
In both instances, they're were many wtinesses but yet they all remain silent and unmoved from their chairs when these attacks too place- men and women.
So, do i think anyone rushed to help this hijabi woman who was being intmidated and aggresively hassled by three men? I doubt it, but i hope someone did.
Sad really because had i been there, whether the victim was muslim or no muslim, i'd never watch that happen to someone and stay silent. Even if i couldnt confront the aggersor out of fear of being harmed, i wouldnt walk away from someone hurt and atleast see if they're ok or if they need any police/ambulance or something. I would have thought that most people would do that as well, but it turns out not to be the case.
Those are terrible incidents, Durrah!
If none of those women were unreconsiable as muslims and looked like any other asian or white woman, would they have been helped more? Yes!
I am not sure that this is a racial or anti-Muslim problem.
Rather I think that people nowadays are generally reluctant ot 'get involved' and 'interfere' in our society.
Sad, but true ...
Peace
Peace glo
Here I stand.
I can do no other.
May God help me.
Amen.
Come, let us worship and bow down •
and kneel before the Lord our Maker
[Psalm 95]
If none of those women were unreconsiable as muslims and looked like any other asian or white woman, would they have been helped more? Yes!
format_quote Originally Posted by glo
I am not sure that this is a racial or anti-Muslim problem.
Rather I think that people nowadays are generally reluctant ot 'get involved' and 'interfere' in our society.
Sad, but true ...
Peace
The reason I believe is that people are afraid that they will be harmed as well. If the men are very aggressive people will be afraid.
The reason I believe is that people are afraid that they will be harmed as well. If the men are very aggressive people will be afraid.
I agree to some extend.
If there was a bottle-wielding maniac on the bus I probably wouldn't challenge him either!
But if several people took action, it would be a different matter!!
And there are other things which individuals could do to help.
Like the old lady who offered her hanky.
With the muslimah who was just dropped off at the bus stop despite bleeding, somebody could have gotten off with her to make sure she was alright and got home!
If nothing else people can raise these issues publicly, write letters to the paper or their MP.
There is always something that can be done ...
Peace
Peace glo
Here I stand.
I can do no other.
May God help me.
Amen.
Come, let us worship and bow down •
and kneel before the Lord our Maker
[Psalm 95]
I agree to some extend.
If there was a bottle-wielding maniac on the bus I probably wouldn't challenge him either!
But if several people took action, it would be a different matter!!
And there are other things which individuals could do to help.
Like the old lady who offered her hanky.
With the muslimah who was just dropped off at the bus stop despite bleeding, somebody could have gotten off with her to make sure she was alright and got home!
If nothing else people can raise these issues publicly, write letters to the paper or their MP.
There is always something that can be done ...
Peace
You are right.
I like to think I would help if in such a situation.
... and this country says its the best multricultrual country in the world! lol
my uncle woz on the same train as the one that got bombed, but he caught the one before it (if u understand wt i mean)
and when he woz coming home from work he had to leave all his tools at work, at the BBC, just in case the police checked him and sed that he woz makin bombs (he's a young muslim),
he sed that wen he caught the bus to the station in the afternoon, an arab muslim lady came on the bus and as soon as she came on 4 or 5 white ppl came off the bus. its sad.
If I was NOT Muslim I'd chop his hand off set an example to other people, I mean what must the children think, imagine that, the person you look upto the most, the person who is supposed to make you feel that everything is secure and you see her abused and threatned, it will have such a bad effect on those kids for real though, I mean the guy, from what I read, has beating another person or something, so definetly, chop his hand or his tongue off.
And hopefully more sisters will go with husbands and brothers to events inshaAllah, not that the husband is super man and can take any thread out, but it can be a good deterent.
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After the grave and the Day, in paradise in bliss upon a reclined seat.
A traveler traveling - travelled from shirk to tawheed,
If I'm remembered for anything - let it be the Mercy I seek.
If I was NOT Muslim I'd chop his hand off set an example to other people, I mean what must the children think, imagine that, the person you look upto the most, the person who is supposed to make you feel that everything is secure and you see her abused and threatned, it will have such a bad effect on those kids for real though, I mean the guy, from what I read, has beating another person or something, so definetly, chop his hand or his tongue off.
And hopefully more sisters will go with husbands and brothers to events inshaAllah, not that the husband is super man and can take any thread out, but it can be a good deterent.
Whatever do you mean, you would chop his hand off??
Peace glo
Here I stand.
I can do no other.
May God help me.
Amen.
Come, let us worship and bow down •
and kneel before the Lord our Maker
[Psalm 95]
... and this country says its the best multricultrual country in the world! lol
my uncle woz on the same train as the one that got bombed, but he caught the one before it (if u understand wt i mean)
and when he woz coming home from work he had to leave all his tools at work, at the BBC, just in case the police checked him and sed that he woz makin bombs (he's a young muslim),
he sed that wen he caught the bus to the station in the afternoon, an arab muslim lady came on the bus and as soon as she came on 4 or 5 white ppl came off the bus. its sad.
well, thats ma story
wslm
Multiculturalism doesn't work. Islam and Christianity doesn't mix. Christians are tolerant of other religions, too tolerant at times. There will be a few that will actually lose it and this is an example of that.
Multiculturalism doesn't work. Islam and Christianity doesn't mix. Christians are tolerant of other religions, too tolerant at times. There will be a few that will actually lose it and this is an example of that.
I agree that multiculturalism hasn't been a great success so far, but this issue really doesn't have anything to do with that. This was just a completely rude act upon an innocent person. Doesn't matter whether the woman is Muslim or Christian, any verbal attack upon a woman minding her own business should be condemned by all.
"Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not, and a sense of humor was provided to console him for what he is."
Doesn't matter whether the woman is Muslim or Christian, any verbal attack upon a woman minding her own business should be condemned by all.
Agreed.
Race and creed are not relevant. You go ape on some innocent person and you should be condemned by all, no matter who you are and no matter who they are.
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for real though, I mean the guy, from what I read, has beating another person or something, so definetly, chop his hand or his tongue off.
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