Should the Taliban....???

format_quote Originally Posted by Hijrah

Taalibaan indeed indulges in soofiyah and numerous other innovations, I think this is a wonderful post on another forum made about Taalibaan and many other groups some love today:



I read a fatwa somewhere by Shaykh Saalih Al-Uthaymeen condemning them as well.

these are lies against amir al mumineen and the leaders of the taliban by people who were never there taking stories from people who were also never there.

the taliban told the ulema if you consider us misguided, then come and live here and advice us but some just prefer their comfortable existence under the rule of tyrants and apostates.

assalaamu alaykum,

you ask my opinion so here it is,

amir al mumineen Mullah Muhammad Omar was the best thing to happen to afghanistan for a long time, i think they made mistakes but over all were an overwhelmingly good thing.

yes they forced women to cover, this is in the shariah according to the fiqh of imam abu hanifa, yes they beat some women from RAWA who would incite the taliban and then film the results and so they should.

RAWA are a kufr organisation promoting 'maoism' which for those that dont know is an even more extreme form of communism that comes from china under chairman mao.

most of the negative propoganda that comes from afghanistan came from RAWA and yet you all swallow it as truth, even though they are liars and deserve far worse than was given to them.

doesnt Allah tell you to check up on the facts if a Fasiq comes to you with news or there will be problems in the land and innocent people accused?

yet you believe these lies coming from the worse of people, those who promote kufr and shirk in taking secularism as a god besides Allah.

The taliban are the best thing for afghanistan, it was a messed up land full or raping and pillaging warlords and they cleaned it up and yes they were harsh, and make mistakes but sometimes a little harshness can be forgiven if the end result is for the good of islam.

for those talafis who doubt the taliban and make excuses for their own silence whilst a muslim nation was pulled down and destroyed then please check your own iman first in following the apostate leaders who take the kuffar as their awliya,

for those doubting the validity of destroying statues then know this is the sunnah, it is how we prevent shirk not just today but tomorrow and there after.

May Allah swt bring back the taliban and let them bring victory of islam to afghanistan and its surrounding lands, ameen!!!

Assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah

format_quote Originally Posted by Hijrah

HAve u been there?!

assalaamu alaykum,

first of all where are your salaams? you are on an islamic message board so greet your brothers and sisters with good manners.

right, no i havent, but most of my friends are from one side or the other of the afghan border as the masjid i attend most is pathan.

i have also spoken to scholars who travelled there whilst it was under taliban rule and have researched the topic extensively rather than just qouting some anti articles, i have read both sides and you say yourself they were devients and yet have you been there? have you met them? have those who you qoute been there or met them?

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah

format_quote Originally Posted by al_imaan_786

First of all, the Taliban didn't follow the shariah completely. There wasn't little harshness but alot...wait a minute...harshness? it's more like torture...closing schools and giving women no right is not said in the shariah, i'm not against the fact that they got women to cover themselves, but the amount of people they killed and how they killed them..that's just terrible. Some people here think that I'm happy that the Taliban are no longer in power and that I'm glad that America is in Afghanistan....I am not happy at all with America being there. The Taliban would have been fine IF they followed the Islamic shariah the way they were supposed to....I'm not sure if anyone here saw the documentary of the woman that was shot over her burqah in front of her three kids, and like it's said "don't believe what you don't see", but a family member of mine also witnessed it. Is that following the shariah?

Let's go back to what brother Erundur has said:



I also believe that it was more like tribal customs, and if the Taliban had heart...they would have had mercy on the poor people.

assalaamu alaykum,

first of all i am not ignorant of the situation in afghanistan or the people of that region, my local masjid is mostly requented by pathans and tajiks living here in the uk and all of them are pro-taliban that i have spoken to.

yes they made mistakes but overall their actions are good.

regarding the women shot in the stadium that was filmed by RAWA, a kufr organisation trying to destroy shariah i might add. what was her crime?

she had slept with men for money, then when she feared her husband finding out about her lifestyle she murdered him, then tried to blame it on her daughter and would have seen her own daughter killed for this crime but instead she was found guilty herself and so executed.

in islam the death penalty is to be put in place unless the family accept to forgive her, in this case her in-laws not suprisingly didnt accept such a thing and had her killed after a shariah based trial.

if you look at a the site posted a few posts up regarding the taliban you will see they themselves admit schools were closed, or that schools that were co-ed were made into boys only schools to be more exact.

this is not the decision i would have made but what is the result now? secularism and kufr is taught to the children of afghanistan, mixed schools are now being built by the international community to try to push their values upon the muslims.

the taliban wished to educate girls, but they said it had to be an islamic education and many schools did stay open but others were closed because they refused to teach an islamic curiculum or where co-ed.

but closing co-ed schools, destroying statues, trials and execuation for murder (all justified within islam), is this all enough to prevent your support for your brothers and sisters in the taliban?

no, you make excuses from the land of the enemies of islam for your support for them, you and your family pay your taxes to them and take them as your awliya and if you remain there and do not leave then certainly you will have to face judgement on that and may Allah swt forgive you, me and all those living in darul kufr whilst the muslim lands need our aid.

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah

format_quote Originally Posted by SATalha

Ameen Bro, the motive of the west is clear. Building these schools to push their thoughts and values in to our world. I keep saying at least the Taliban tries to implement Allah's law. And for that i say a big thumbs up.

assalaamu alaykum,

exactly, they are trying even if sometimes they dont succeed, at least they are trying unlike the other 99% of the ummah with small exceptions in a few lands.

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah

format_quote Originally Posted by Erundur

Yes may Allah (swt) forgive all the Muslims in Non-Muslim lands.

assalaamu alaykum,

the long article you qoute mentions the taliban, yet it is contary to what i know of them from speaking to brothers who travelled there during that time, they did purify the sunnah and arrested some of the worst innovators such as two leading sufis until they repented and agreed not to act as they had done and also destroyed the structures built over tombs of saints.

the person seems to be speaking from ignorance, may Allah forgive him and may those he has slandered forgive him for such.

these allegations seem to stem from the fact that the talibans origins is in the deobandi madrasahs and because some of the deobandi scholars are upon shirk and bidah then all must be but this is like saying all those who attend al azhar are upon the ashari aqeedah and upon the innovations of their teachers?

one ruling on the taliban made this exact point and showing how rediculous it is, especially as most of the taliban studied in madrasah in northern pakistan not in deoband in india.

the old allegation of khawarij comes up again and again against those who are fighting for tawhid and islam, but many of those who make the allegation follow leaders who kill and imprison muslims and especially the mujahadeen and leave the kuffar alone even in the lands they are forbidden to enter by non other than Rasoolullah saws which is also one of the chief characteristics of the khawarij.

so who has the characteristics of khawarij? those who attack and slander the muslims often and leave the kuffar alone and follow leaders who take the kuffar as their awliya or those who fight for islam and fight the kuffar and speak against them and try to help their brothers and sisters in islam?

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah

format_quote Originally Posted by Erundur

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assalaamu alaykum,

yet it is contary to what i know of them from speaking to brothers who travelled there during that time, they did purify the sunnah and arrested some of the worst innovators such as two leading sufis until they repented and agreed not to act as they had done and also destroyed the structures built over tombs of saints.

Me too, My grandfather went there, two of my Uncles went there so yeah...

May Allah swt guide you t follow them to go in the path of Allah, and may he grant us both the blessings of joining the caravan of martyrs, ameen.

the person seems to be speaking from ignorance, may Allah forgive him and may those he has slandered forgive him for such.

I hope not, he is a Muslim leader in florida, he did a refutation against a person who was slandering Islam, www.muslimaccess.com <--- check it out is on the first page, just go down and you will see his name.

Then he needs to leave Darul kufr like the rest of us then doesn’t he? and not be supporting the Kuffar with his taxes and presence. To be honest the internet is full of refutations of muslims by this brother and replies to it, and where as I might agree with some of his work he seems to be a little too keen to be saying Bidah, shirk, Kuffar and kaffir at people without establishing the evidence and I am going to stay well clear for him, he is all too typical of a certain type of muslim who claims the salafi Manhaj but who’s Adhab is anything but, but Allahu Alim I am human and could be wrong also and I am certainly no scholar or even student of knowledge but I prefer to take my knowledge from other than this man.

these allegations seem to stem from the fact that the talibans origins is in the deobandi madrasahs and because some of the deobandi scholars are upon shirk and bidah then all must be but this is like saying all those who attend al azhar are upon the ashari aqeedah and upon the innovations of their teachers?

Do you know any of them personally?

I know scholars and imams who has travelled those lands though not as Mujahadeen, only as visitors once the Taliban came to power. the scholars of the Mujahadeen have also affirmed through their personal contact the conduct of the Taliban and their strictness with the people of Bidah and shirk.

Many of my friends have family both sides of the border and all speak highly of the Taliban. Do you know anyone who went there themselves and have genuine concerns regarding their conduct?

Here is the thing, the Shariah law was mainly based on Pashtun Culture. I believe there is an article here where an afghan made a claim that The Shariah was in direct with there culture. But it was from a non-muslim source.

Exactly, there is no such source from good practicing Muslims because it is not true and is a lie and a slander and you should know better than to repeat such from the open evil doers such as the Kuffar and not repeat their lies without verification as Muslims are commanded in the Quran by Allah swt.

one ruling on the taliban made this exact point and showing how rediculous it is, especially as most of the taliban studied in madrasah in northern pakistan not in deoband in india.

Thank you for pointing out that the Talibs originated in Pakistan and not in Afghanistan.

They’re leaders are Afghanis, but they studied in Islamic universities in NWFP not in India, but even if they did it would not make them upon their Aqeedah and Manhaj, the emphasis is upon the one making it to prove it not upon the one defending the honour of his brothers and sisters to disprove it. Do you not agree? Therefore prove your allegations or withdraw them.

The Afghan-Pakistan border was drawn up by the British and is not accepted by the Muslims who live there as being valid, they all consider themselves muslims first, then their tribe and maybe somewhere down the list comes nation but to them it is not an issue, but even if all of them came from Pakistan then so what? Didn’t imam Shamil come from Uzbekistan even through his Jihad was fought in Chechnya?

so who has the characteristics of khawarij? those who attack and slander the muslims often and leave the kuffar alone and follow leaders who take the kuffar as their awliya or those who fight for islam and fight the kuffar and speak against them and try to help their brothers and sisters in islam?

I help out in my local mosque

This was not a specific allegation at yourself, but only saying it is often those scholars who support the tyrant and apostate rulers and are found at their gates who make the allegation of those who fight for Islam as being khawarij, others who follow them follow them in making this allegation and yet they follow leaders and rulers who attack and kill the Muslims and leave the Kuffar alone which is also a attribute of khawarij Muslims.

Therefore i would prefer to take my knowledge from salafi ulema who show more adhab and are not found at the gates of the rulers as we are warned against such scholars.

ps.
finally brother, please remember your salaams, this is an islamic discussion board so we should keep to islamic adhab such as using salaams for each other, especially when they are given by someone else then you should respond.

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah

format_quote Originally Posted by al_imaan_786

I know that too..but killing her in front of her kids?..what do you think of that?

i do not know the full circumstances, but as the sources is RAWA, a kufr supporting organisation then i would not take anything they say as reliable, if they told me it was daytime i would look out of the window to check and expect it to be black outside.

even if true, it would not make them not worthy of support, remember her children are also their fathers children and yet she was convicted in a shariah court of murdering her husband, their father.

let me tell you another story of the taliban, one that shows their love for the true shariah, the shariah that brings justice to the people.

my friend and brother in islam lives in sheffield, about 2mins from where i used to live and we help each other out in dawah projects etc.

one eid he invited me straight from the masjid to eat at his house knowing i had no wife then and would have to go home and cook myself so he invited me in and they fed me biryani and sweet rice if i remember.

anyway, his brother was a labourer working in a town near khandahah as like i said before, most of my pathan friends have family either side of the border.

so anyway, whilst he was he was there a young couple, only in their early teens ran away together. you see they were from different tribes of pathans and as you are probably aware as you are from afghanistan, the pathans - especially the cultural ones will not marry outside their tribe.

so this young couple ran away together, but the two tribes being on good terms didnt fall out over it but just went in search of them and found them together in a deralict house nearby and dragged them to the qadi (islamic judge who was a talib) and asked that they be flogged for zina.

the judge asked for their witnesses, saying they needed four witnesses. they said they had over 50 witnesses who had seen them together in the disused house.

the qadi was amazed, and said 'you have over fifty witnesses that saw the pen go in the ink well?'

at this point i think the two tribes elders should have realised they were on a loser, and they denied they had seen them in the act and so therefore the judge gave them all 10 lashes for making a false allegation and freed the couple to marry.

mashallah, now is that not how the shariah should be? is that not only showing the wisdom but also the mercy of shariah as it should be practiced?

may Allah swt grant us such wisdom as he granted this qadi and may he make us firm upon the right path, ameen.

remember the taliban didnt just execute one woman, they also freed many more from forced marriages and gave them the option of stopping with their husband or leaving him and outlawed the practice of exchanging women to end disputes, and ending the practice of the brutal warlords who would send men to a girls house, if her family refused the request for 'marriage' to the warlord of one of his men the girl was usually murdered nevermind the thousands who just went missing and were kidnapped and raped.

sister, the taliban made some mistakes but over all were upon the sunnah and tawhid so pray for their guidence where they make mistakes and support them when they do a good deed such as fighting the kuffar and trying to establish the shariah and banish shirk from your homeland.

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah