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Hamas prefer their kafir friends to an islamic nation that is being wiped out by their good friend Putin.
To them the slow genocide in Chechnya is an "internal russian problem" as said by Khalid Meshal in is visit to Russia:
Another Hamas quote on Chechnya:The leader of radical Palestinian group Hamas said Friday that the conflict in breakaway Chechnya was Russia's internal problem, provoking a protest from the Chechen rebels.
"It is Russia's internal problem. We do not interfere in other states' internal problems," Hamas political chief Khaled Mashaal said after talks in Moscow.
Chechnya, a mainly Muslim province in southern Russia, has been wracked by two conflicts in the past decade between Russian troops and Chechen separatists.
Although large-scale fighting has ended, regular skirmishes and rebel land mine attacks continue. Human rights activists accuse Russian forces and their local Chechen allies of major abuses against civilians, including kidnapping and extra-judicial executions.
Chechen rebel envoy Akhmed Zakayev, who has been granted political asylum in Britain, said the Hamas statement was a betrayal but not unexpected.
"We did not expect there to be any difference between Hamas and Yasser Arafat," Zakayev told The Associated Press by telephone from London, referring to the late Palestinian leader. "They have put the interests of the Russian government above that of religious solidarity with Chechen Muslims."
Russia's invitation to Hamas, extended by President Vladimir Putin, was the first crack in an international front against the group, which has sent dozens of suicide bombers to Israel and does not recognize the right of the Jewish state to exist.
Hamas won parliamentary elections in January and is working to form a government.
"They are crafty with fibs, and one shouldn't believe it," Meshaal was quoted as saying. "The Palestinian problem has absolutely nothing in common with the Chechen problem, nor with any other [problem]." The Hamas leader accused Israel of wanting to "put Russia, a great country, in an embarrassing situation." Russia "has taken a brave position and, I think, will not fall for this blackmail," Meshaal said, adding that Russia "acts in its own interests and in the interest of peace in the Middle East" and "does not need the Israelis' poisonous advice."
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Nice article, Hamas are a bunch of thug terrorists.
They are pragmatists, certainly. That said, in their position I'm not at all sure they can afford not to be.
I'm not surprised they betrayed us. I've always considered them as cowards. They do nothing to fight back and once someone is killed they run in the streets with guns in their hands protesting and then everybody goes home. How can they go against Russia? They should maybe start by fighting their own enemy.
If Russia wants peace in middle east, why not start peace with chechniyans? Inviting Hamas to Moscow is all political stunt for Putin support of his government. Putin wants Russia to expend there interest through out the world including muslim world. His first stunt is to invite Hamas to his country and make himself look angel to the muslim world.
If Chechniyans was invited to Israel by Olmert and his government and Chechniyans authority go against palestinians by saying "Chechniyans got nothing do with palestinians". The whole arab world would wage war against Chechnya.
^ Very true. Also Palestinians want everyone to support them and their cause so they say to everyone: you are our muslim brothers you must help us and when it comes up to them to help they say oh no sorry we have nothing to do with you. And Russia of course is trying to make friends in the middle east because they're not very popular there because of the war in Chechnya.
Jazaak Allaah khayr, i thought we were one ummah - not simply palestine, or chechnya or iraq or kashmir.
If the leaders are still supporting nationalism, why should we attack them? Inshaa'Allaah we should do something about it. This is what the enemies want - they want us to attack each other and never unite, because once the believers unite - its a threat to them.
We can only unite if we work to unite instead of simply attacking others for not doing so.
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Yes we are one Ummah Chechen or Palestinian, My thoughts and Dwas are with both the Nations. Come one do we need this!
jazakallah khair bro Fi_Sabilillah
i agree that we are on ummah and all nationalism should be discarded.Yes we are one Ummah Chechen or Palestinian, My thoughts and Dwas are with both the Nations. Come one do we need this!
this is what makes this issue important. what should be the muslim response to this act?
when any muslim nation either opens relations with israel or talks about the possibility of doing so, they are immediately hated and condemned - and rightly so.
however when hamas did the same to the chechen brothers and sisters, there was mainly a big silence - its almost as if no-one cared.
if - as bro hashim said - it was the chechens that betrayed the palestinians - the whole arab world would have been up in arms about it.
are hamas an arab nationalist group or an islamic one?
Yes Bro, this betryal should be met with disgust. If this is True than my opinion of Hammas has decreased. The Chechens bros and sis that have suffred dont need this from a Party that has defied the western world. I hope he appologise to the people.
The Arabs aren't acting like they want an Islamic Union they're acting like they want an Arabic Union. The Arabs are always shouting loudly about Iraq or Palestine but they don't want to say a word about Chechnya. It's as if they don't care about Chechens. It's like they only want to help eachother as Arabs. The Chechens have asked many western countries to help them in their struggle but they of course turned their backs. And when the Chechens turned to their muslim brothers who were their last hope their muslim brothers turned their backs aswell. That's when we understood that we and our struggle were unimportant to everyone and everyone had closed their eyes on us and we were alone and only had ourselves to help eachother.
Nah bro your struggle is my struggle, remember that. Trust me although it may seem that you are alone, your not the Arab world might not be showing their concern but they are not the voice of the people. I live in London and our thoughts and preyers are always with you. I have heard what the russian scumbags do and it breaks my heart that you do not get enough attention. Please dont feel that no one cares coz we do trust me.format_quote Originally Posted by Chechen
Thanks a lot bro. You don't imagine how important words like that are to me. Because I feel so sad that there are so many people that don't care about us I mean I don't understand why so many people hate us we never asked for anything more than just our freedom. But anyways thanks for your support and prayers. Insha Allah one day all muslim people will be able to live in peace and not have to suffer war.format_quote Originally Posted by SATalha
Inshallah. Jus remember you have bros and sis in London that do care.
bro chechen
i think one of the reasons the arab world has betrayed the chechen cause is because of a lack of information - many muslims dont know what is happening, so its up to those of us that do know to raise awareness of the situation in any way we can.
having said that i wouldnt trust many psuedo-islamic groups like hamas or even the muslim brotherhood (of which hamas is an off-shoot) - as you rightly said all they will talk about is arab issues and ignore non-arabs.
my mom is from kashmir - there is alot of suffering there too under the indian occupation , rapes and murder on large-scale - most of the arab world ignores what happens in kashmir and even befriends India which murders and rapes muslims just like russia.
but like bro SATalha says many muslims support our brothers in chechnya - groups like hamas or the muslim brotherhood are not representatives of us.
Thank you, Kashmir is something that I am debating as well, my parents are from Bangladesh and they are always saying "when will those Indians leave Kashmir alone".
format_quote Originally Posted by Chechnya
I truly understand the people of Kashmir. Their situation is exactly like ours. They suffer and the world stays silent. I just can't understand that. The worst is that people aren't ashamed of just ignoring them like that. I hope Allah stops their suffering Insha Allah. And may Allah help us muslims unite whether Arab or non- Arab and go against the kaffir so they leave us once and for all.
Ameen. I think that the Arabs need to wake up and realise that there are oher muslims out there. I went to Morroco and when we where greeted they always said Namaste like we where Hindu and when we said no we are muslims they would give a wierd look. Its not fare that certin places are ignored because they are not in the middle east. dont wory we will unite one day, when the great general comes.
Our preperation continued, with our efforts and the efforts of our brothers, for years and years. Through out that time we gathered, observed and waited until the moment to move arrived.
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