Should Muslims support a Sikh State in northern Inida?

**Dawud_uk** · 02-07-2007

Assalaamu Alaykum,

Peace be upon those who follow righteous guidance,

When a non-Muslim i often admired the Sikhs as an honourable people and pitied how the Sikh youth seemed to have totally lost their way so badly.

But it seems to me to be a historical anomaly that the Sikhs are without a state. Yes there have been wars between Muslims and Sikhs in the past but is that really a cause for continued animosity and hatred?

Shouldnt Muslims as a matter of helping end oppression and injustice help those Sikhs who wish to establish a Sikhi homeland in northern India?

Whatever disputes over their origins, the Sikhs are a separate religion clearly by their doctrine and claims and not a rebellious sect like the Druze and Ahmadis and so couldn’t we as Muslims and Sikhs put those past wrongs (on both sides) behind us and agree to differ where we differ and cooperate where it is possible to cooperate?

What do people think?

Assalaamu Alaykum,
Abu Abdullah

**wilberhum** · 02-07-2007

No.
When you create a country based on religion, you have a massive problem that will last for ever. Just look at India and Pakistan, Israel and Palestine.
Every non-Sheik will become a second class citizen, just like it has been for every one who was not a member of the state religion.

**snakelegs** · 02-08-2007

well, part of the sikh land is now in pakistan. (west punjab) - don't think you'll find any support for that!

**Bittersteel** · 02-08-2007

yes exactly.and I don't know whether they want a country of their own.

**Trumble** · 02-08-2007

I agree with Wilberhum to some extent, but I think you do have to give careful consideration to when the followers of a particular religion also are, or become a "people" rather than just followers of a particular faith - particularly when geographic boundaries are distinct. I don't really know enough about the the particular circumstances to comment in this instance.

**Dawud_uk** · 02-08-2007

i've only been reading about sikhism in detail for a few days but there does seem to be a demand for this.

regarding the situation of western punjab then they'd have to try to resolve that as best they could.

the thing is the sikhs at different points in history controlled right up to pershawah but i think they should at least be given support for establishing their state in northern india as they got a raw deal from the british on partition.

Abu Abdullah

**Zulkiflim** · 02-08-2007

Salaam,

I would say that the Sikh have a right of autonomy..if they wish it and if they have a large minority in the country.

In that they can implement their own laws and govern it as they see fit.

Look at Thai land,the southern thai are getting their own autnomy and even placing sharia in place BUT THEY ARE STILL PART OF THAILAND..

So perhaps autonomy is better,after that we should see..

Do you think Quebec should be its own country becasue of the French language?

**Erundur** · 02-08-2007

Originally Posted by Zulkiflim

Salaam,
Do you think Quebec should be its own country becasue of the French language?

The french sold the land to the Brits after the French-Indain War. As part of a peace agreement.

laying:

**Dawud_uk** · 02-08-2007

Originally Posted by Erundur

The french sold the land to the Brits after the French-Indain War. As part of a peace agreement.

laying:

the the turks sold libya to the italians as part of a peace agreement so was omar muktar and the sanusiyyah wrong to rebel and demand freedom?

not that i am comparing british rule in canada to that of the italians in their colonies but the principle is the same i believe.

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah

**Erundur** · 02-08-2007

Originally Posted by Dawud_uk

the the turks sold libya to the italians as part of a peace agreement so was omar muktar and the sanusiyyah wrong to rebel and demand freedom?

not that i am comparing british rule in canada to that of the italians in their colonies but the principle is the same i believe.

assalaamu alaykum,
Abu Abdullah

They lived quite peacefully since many french married within the scope of the Indian tribes.

Its not like they set up shop to live there, canada was mainly colonized for trade.

**Bittersteel** · 02-08-2007

Zulkiflim what you are referring to is federalism,I think.Both India and Pakistan have it.

**chacha_jalebi** · 02-08-2007

salaam

lol @ pity the youth

i have a lot of sikh friends and personally i think they r hevyyy

if you go to the basics of their religion they shouldnt be drinkin and all that, but lol on topic i do believe that sikhs should get their own state, because they have been used big time

1st by the british, then the hindus

**snakelegs** · 02-09-2007

some sikhs do want their own state. i think the muslims that support it do so mainly to destabilize india.[
if india granted sikhs independence many other states would want it too - so it's highly unlikely that it would ever happen. also, i think either most, or a large percentage of india's food is grown in punjab.
so...if it were to happen, it would be only at the cost of much blood.

**lavikor201** · 02-09-2007

Originally Posted by snakelegs

well, part of the sikh land is now in pakistan. (west punjab) - don't think you'll find any support for that!

So there all for it, if it is on Hindu land, but hate it if it is on "Muslim" land. Wow.

I would say that the Sikh have a right of autonomy..if they wish it and if they have a large minority in the country.

If every "large minority" in a country declared to be its own country, you would have about 150 new countries.

**Rabiyal** · 02-09-2007

Good Question, but since it doesn't effect me and I am neither a Sikh or an Indian and like most of you are in that position, then who are we to care about this??? when it's not your battle then why even bother?!?!

**Bittersteel** · 02-09-2007

when it's not your battle then why even bother?!?!

yes you are right.its none of Muslim business.
and as for Sikhs ,I know one who reportedly eloped with a married Muslim woman and another Sikh woman in school a teacher and some anti-Bangladesh anti-Muslim Sikhs in Bharat Rakshak forums.

**PCJS** · 02-09-2007

Originally Posted by Aman4islam

From my point of view where I grew up in a Sikh community, Many people want a free state for the sikhs, but alot of those people are scared because oppression, torture, abductions took place in the 80's and early 90's of innocent sikhs as My dad tells me. 5 people were killed in a fake encounter only from my dads own village the rest you guys can imagine. Most of the supporters now days are internation sikh communities, but in the punjab region people are living a peaceful life as they are scared of another war taking place and scared of those tortures and terrorist acts by the indian government.

As a muslim I support the Sikh cause not because I was born into a Sikh family but just the oppression will shock you that took place in the punjab region by the indian government. Many muslim mujahids helped the Sikhs in the Khalistani cause during the 80's by providing guerilla triaing and other help, so I do support a sikh homeland and can at some point help them physically, spiritually or financially. Also as a Muslim I do support a free Kashmir, basically same thing is happening in Kashmir as well, so yeah. I believe any oppressed community deserve a independence state, muslim or non muslim.

Have you read Muslim oppression in Sikh History? I am not a Khalistani but I don't understand how Pakistanis could help get Khalistan when they lost East Pakistan.

**aamirsaab** · 02-09-2007

Originally Posted by PCJS

Have you read Muslim oppression in Sikh History? I am not a Khalistani but I don't understand how Pakistanis could help get Khalistan when they lost East Pakistan.

Psha, pakistan? Don't get me started on that country.

OT: I think the question applies only to muslims living in northern India since those who don't will not be affected by a sikh state in any way shape or form, whether it is implemented or not.

In this case, it'd depend entirely on the laws being implemented by the Sikh state since religion, in this regard, is less important than the actual laws. Though I am aware that certain folk would just be ignorant and get TO'd that it's a sikh state and not an XYZ state.

**chacha_jalebi** · 02-09-2007

in a way i dont feel sikhs will ever get their country, because if India gives sikhs their land, then the muslims in kashmir will say give us our land aswell, and india is just gona be split into parts

but if the sikhs think that they will get Pakistans Panjab, then they are in a great misunderstandin

**PCJS** · 02-09-2007

aamirsaab, this is a fact that there were alot of Khalistanis trained in Pakistan. So there are people in Pakistan who support Khalistan.

Aman, you can't blame Hindu for what's happening in Punjab. It was Govt. v/s so-called Sikh leaders and most of the officials in Punjab killing innocents were Sikhs themselves.

chacha Jalebi,

I met this Pakistani Punjabi a few years and he was saying that they wanted United Punjab out of India and Pakistan.

Either way, it doesn't matter to me as I would never want to live in Khalistan or so-called United Punjab described by the Pakistani Punjabi.