America , we feel ur pain , do u feel ours ?

format_quote Originally Posted by Muslim Woman

Salaam/peace;



--that's an interesting point

In my country , when it's time to elect members of Parliament , we think like this ---who is less bad/corrupted ?

Mainly 2 political teams dominate our politics & really it's pathetic to decide who is comparitively less bad & then go & vote for him/her. Why we have to be so unfortunate ?


I heard that in Thailand , there is a NO vote system. If candidates are not good , people will say NO . If no vote is more than ..... i forgot ...say 45 % , then no one will be elected & parties have to nominate other candidates.


I found this system really good. Then it won't be possibe for political parties to force us to choose between bad & worse.




--well , Bush & Blair lied to the whole world . So , those who truested them can get benefits of doubts. But , now no one should support it anymore as Bush & Blair already proven as great liars.

My God ...... Blair's claim about 45 minitues WMD ......what a pathetic joke with the Iraqi people.




I read article of a western journalist . When he visited the website of FBI ( ?? ...those who capture international criminals & publish their photoes ) , he found that Laden's name is not mentioned there as a 9/11 criminal.

When he asked why , he was told that they don't have any proof .




--- i really did not understand these comparisons. Those who are murdered / are dyeing daily in Iraq ...they are helpless ...have no choices.

To stop the killing of unborn babies , many things can be done.

First tell the mothers ------- it's not ur right to kill ur baby . Just like u , they have a right to live in this world , too.

2. Urge doctors not to kill babies ....is not it against their professional ethics ? They are supposed to save lives , not kill.

3. Give free pills to women who don't want to be mom etc , etc, etc.



-- Iraqi people were not responsible for 9/11......American sources/agencies have admitted it long ago.


I can understand , Christians don't believe in turn another cheek teaching of Jesus (p) but surely U can't attack a country with this fear that in future , may be one day , some adults will attack u.



If mothers are killing their babies , u can ask for strict laws or u urge them on religious grounds. Most Americans are Christians . So , teach them about their holy book......pre-sex marriage , kill babies ......surely these are not teaching of their Lord Jesus (p).


But , to select a candidate because he will save unborn US babies but will surely kill thousands ( if not millions ) babies & adults outside America......i m shocked .....now it's the criteria to elect US President ????

I will be happy if u tell me that i did not understand ur post correctly.

You did understand it, at least in part, but I don't think you understood the realities of our government.

This is going to take awhile and might even seem off point, but I will get back to the point if you stay with me.

1st, Americans cannot stop the killing of babies. Right now, the way the law is interpreted, it is considered legal. Further, many many people in the USA think it is justifiable. They don't even recognize babies as human beings until after they are born so they have no legal protections until then. However, not everyone thinks this way or thinks this is right. But just writing a new law won't fix the problem, because laws have been written and the laws themselves have been declared unconstitutional (or illegal laws) by our court system. And the people who are in the positions in the court to make these decisions are not voted on by the people and cannot ever be voted out of office or replaced by anyone, unless they voluntarily retire or die. And when this happens, which isn't often, the person who selects the new judges to replace them is the president. So, yes, many people consider what type of judges the president would choose to serve on our supreme court when voting for president.

2nd, you may not recognize just how horrific this massacre of the innocents is in the USA. 3542 babies are aborted every day, over 1.2 million babies are aborted every year. The deaths of hundreds of thousands of likewise innocent people in Iraq is terrible. But the choice in our system is like yours, between bad and worse. But there has not been a day in the history of the Iraq War when more people died in Iraq than in the USA's abortion parlors. In 2004 I had to choose between a President who seeks to stop the murder of babies in the USA but thinks he is justified in waging war in Iraq, and another person who wants to make abortion even easier than it already is and was also willing to wage war in Iraq.

I appreciate your suggestions on how to try to stop abortions in the USA. By the means you suggested we have been able to see a decrease of about 300,000 abortions a year from it high. That is good news. But not good enough. Bush was our best chance in recent years to slow this down some more.


I don't see it as a trade-off between US and Iraq. The best I can see it as is the lessor of two evils. And believe it or not, the war in Iraq is the lesser of those two evils. That is just how horrible what is going on here really is. You may value the life of an American baby differently than that of an Iraqi family. I don't. I think the death of either is inexcusable. I don't know how to stop both, so I try to figure out how to stop the most total deaths. As I said, I am choosing the lesser of two evils, and right now 700,000 Iraqi deaths in 4 years is less than 1.2 million American babies in 1 year. So, I pinched my nose over the stink of it, and voted for Bush.

If you can come up with a better solution for me than that, please let me know. Because I might be faced with a similar choice in 2008. Even if it isn't Bush, the issues could be the same once again.

I am still at odds with how Americans still believe their doing a good job in IRAQ. Before there occupation Sunni and Shia were stable in the region.It's annoying to read posters who say there doing good in Iraq. 655,000 dead. Is there anything to be proud. Whole families were killed yet you still beleive that there death is for the greater good, The "insurgents" want the U.S out of Iraq, they have killed enough of their people. Sunni and Shia would "kiss and make-up" once the occupiers leave just like they lived together before the Americans. NOONE bring up saddaam because the americans sold him the weapons

format_quote Originally Posted by sudais1

I am still at odds with how Americans still believe their doing a good job in IRAQ.

Who said that? In retrospect it will likely prove a mistake as it has emboldened Iran and generated plenty of martyr types. Still, you have to ask yourself..what now? This is the real world. There is no "reset" button.

Before there occupation Sunni and Shia were stable in the region.

That is completely delusional. Ever hear of the Iran/Iraq war? At least 2M died. Ever hear of the Shia uprising after GWI? Hussein was convicted for crimes against humanity for the slaughter of the men and boys of a Shia village after some of the blissfully happy Shia tired to assassinate Hussein. Ever hear of the Marsh Arabs? Why do you think the Shia celebrated when Hussein was executed? Did you know all Shia pilgrimages were banned under Hussein?

Sunni and Shia would "kiss and make-up" once the occupiers leave just like they lived together before the Americans.

:laugh: Care to make a wager on that?

NOONE bring up saddaam because the americans sold him the weapons

That is absolutely NOT true. Almost all of Husseins aircraft were Russian (and a few French) I think essentially all of his armored vehicles were Russian. His missiles were Chinese and North Korean. His infantry weapons were Russian and Chinese.

sudais1...where do you get your information?

Why would the Iraqi people choose a different government system to follow beside Allah (SW) laws?

There was almost no violence in Iraq tells America stepped in. the problem is America thinks its better than the whole world!! And all should be democracy. Haven’t u learned your listen from Korea!?!

Alhumdulillah, this thought didn´t even cross my mind. Indeed a good post, and a question that should be asked to every single American alive todate.

My personal opinion is that the arrogance of the majority of Americans will fog out any hope of a decent reply.

/Peace To All

Sure, America feels her pain.

As Condi Rice aptly put it: "It's the Birth Pangs of a New Middle East."

format_quote Originally Posted by snakelegs

as long as people continue to buy in to this democrat-republican b.s., it is truly hopeless.

It's Just 2 sides of the same coin, man.

It's the same agenda, with the same strategic goals. They only slightly differ on the tactics used to achieve those aims...

My apologies to the mods for being off topic.

But snakelegs, your sig (each man thinks of his own fleas as gazelles)
caught my eye and it reminded me of this Arabic proverb a friend of mine once told me: "A Monkey in his mother's eyes appears to be a Gazelle."