westerners often complain of how 'muslims' dont respect their culture in their countries, but what about the westeners in our country? well heres one article highlighting the disrespect that people from the west do in our countries:
Topless woman at beach sparks 'cover up' call
By Zoi Constantine and Emmanuelle Landais, Staff Reporters
Dubai: A recent incident involving a woman seen topless on a Jumeirah public beach has sparked calls from residents for more information to be made available on the UAE's cultural environment.
With millions of tourists and thousands of new residents flocking to Dubai every year, greater awareness about and respect for the customs of the UAE is needed, say residents.
Despite being aware public nudity is illegal in the UAE, the British woman in her early twenties told Gulf News, "I knew that it wasn't the right thing to do, but I couldn't find my bikini top so I decided to go without.
"I didn't want to go all the way back to Satwa to get my top, and tried to cover up when men walked by, but there weren't too many people on the beach, so I didn't think it was a problem."
While there are signs on Dubai's public beaches detailing the rules and regulations regarding conduct on the beach, dress code is not included.
According to the director of Dubai Municipality's public parks and horticultural department, Ahmad Mohammad Abdul Karim, there are no plans at present to add dress code regulations.
"Conduct on the beach should be like it is in any public area ... we would encourage people of different nationalities to respect the culture of the UAE," he said.
Abdul Karim stressed on Dubai's reputation as a diverse and "open" city, but said that people should take others into consideration when visiting a public place such as a beach.
"These days, beaches are attracting different nationalities and attitudes."
The responsibility lies with the community as a whole, including authorities, the public, employers and hotels to explain the cultural sensitivities of the UAE, Abdul Karim said.
Currently, promotional material published in 13 languages, including "advice on clothing," is distributed by the Dubai Tourism and Commerce Marketing (DTCM) in hotels and hotel apartments.
"Compared with certain parts of the Middle East, Dubai has a very relaxed dress code. At the swimming pools or on the beaches, trunks, swim-suits and bikinis are quite acceptable," Eyad Ali Abdul Rahman, DTCM's Executive Director of Media Relations said in a statement. "Visitors are required to wear in public clothes which adequately cover the body."
Responsibility also rests with visitors to find out what is appropriate and what is not, said Sherifa Madgwick, General Manager of the Shaikh Mohammad Centre for Cultural Understanding.
Dubai An Emirati businesswoman, L.A., 35, recalls being highly offended last year while she was fasting.
"I once saw a tourist during Ramadan crossing Jumeirah Beach Road wearing her bikini and eating an ice cream ... It definitely is offensive to see such incidents here because it offends the local culture ... I blame the tourists who have no consideration to learn about our culture.
"I also blame the authorities for not being more stringent with rules and regulations. All tourists should be given a booklet with guidelines of things not to do during their visit."
Khuloud, a 23-year-old UAE national from Sharjah, urged the media to do more to explain to people about the country's cultural sensitivities.
"I sometimes feel as though our culture is being overridden by others," she said. "Many people do respect that they are in an Arab and Muslim country, but many do not. I will respect those who respect me and my culture."
George Alexandro, 38, an Italian academic, said topless sunbathing does not offend him, but women who do it are probably unaware that it is inappropriate.
"I think some people do not know how offensive it can be. I have seen women go topless in hotels in Dubai and sometimes even at Jumeirah Beach Park," said Alexandro, adding that the time may have come for 'No Nudity' signs to be placed on beaches.
Violators face six-month imprisonment
According to UAE lawyer Mohammad Al Shaiba, "public indecency" - including excessively revealing clothing and nudity - is prohibited in public spaces under UAE law and carries stiff penalties.
As per Article 358 of the Penal Code, Federal Law No 3 of 1987, amended by Federal Law No 34 of 2005, "anyone who commits any indecent acts in public will be penalised by imprisonment for a period of no less than six months." [http://gulfnews.com/nation/Police_an...10123731.html]
so how about you westerners start respecting our culture instead of acting its all one way traffic and that you guys are like angels in our country, perhaps once realize that your not perfect then maybe we can all sit down and come to an understanding, sadly i dont see that happening any time soon since the west doesnt seem to want to accept that fact that they are not perfect, it is much easier for them to blame and complain on others.
and btw, this article is like a taboo, do not think this is once in a blue moon thing, i live in dubai, and i have seen far worst than this, westerners walking drunk and vomiting on the street, walking half naked and flirting etc etc and this doesnt only happen in uae, it happens in many other muslim countries such as egypt, morroco, lebanon etc etc it is sad that it is under-reported.
It is an interesting article and it is true that many Westerners do not follow the laws of the land when visiting outside the USA. Sadly, many Westerners think the laws in non-Western countries are much more relaxed. There are many misconceptions on both sides.
I do not know if there are many people in this forum that this article would apply to, But, if it applies to just one and that person sees it, perhaps some misconceptions can be avoided.
The carping about women going topless seems a bit petty.
The carnage we see in Iraq and elsewhere, where Moslems are slaughtering other Moslems seems, at least to me, disrespectful. You’re too consumed with trivial choices people make.
Why not show a little respect for things that matter – like human life.
wow you do exactly as i say, you like to blame others as usual, notice he changes topic, and starts blaming muslims as i said they do thank you for proving my point, this is why we will never reach an understanding.
and you just trying to brush this issue aside wont work, in the west your all up in arms about women wearing hijabs, and niqabs, and now all of a sudden dress wear or lack of it isnt a real big issue but just something trivial and who cares about it?
anyway i dont want to get into the topic of killing because i can show alot of it being done by your people, but that isnt the thread topic, so rather than diverting the issue stick to the topic instead of playing 'lets blame and attack the muslims for everything' game, or you cant do that?
see folks, when we show how they disrespect our culture in terms of their dress code, they act like ohhhh muslims are so petty they just nagging about how we dress! but as any of you know, the niqab has been all over front pages of western media as if this dress is the end of the world and is what keeps us apart from each other, or the hijab etc. when we attack their dress code, they play it down, why? why the double standards 24-7 in your methods? and then you ask why muslims in general are sick of you guys. take a look at yourselves and you will see why, i mean its not too hard to get, but as i said the west never wants to accept this, they just find it easier to blame muslims for everything as the last post did!
and now the mocking and insulting, keep it up, you just show you are not able to discuss the facts and your own shortcommings which i am not suprised by, you just prove every point i make, thank you.
would you please make comments related to the thread topic instead of diverting and making useless comments? it would be helpful thank you
The carping about women going topless seems a bit petty.
The carnage we see in Iraq and elsewhere, where Moslems are slaughtering other Moslems seems, at least to me, disrespectful. You’re too consumed with trivial choices people make.
Why not show a little respect for things that matter – like human life.
Way to miss the point, dude.
The first post is about cultural misunderstandings. The carnage in Iraq is horrendously bad, and yes, things should stay in perspective, but the points the article make are valid.
Just as Muslims should respect the laws of non-Muslim lands they are in, so too should non-Muslims respect the laws of the Muslim lands they are in.
First of all- topless sunbathing is not fundament of western values, so dont connect only nudity with Western World . You cant prove me that asian or african women dont sunbath topless.
Anyway, so now you see what we feel seeing women in full niqaab clothes on european streets. We also dont like it and it is also against our culture and tradition.
westerners often complain of how 'muslims' dont respect their culture in their countries, but what about the westeners in our country? well heres one article highlighting the disrespect that people from the west do in our countries:
Topless woman at beach sparks 'cover up' call
By Zoi Constantine and Emmanuelle Landais, Staff Reporters
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... etc etc it is sad that it is under-reported.
Come on, don't over-react as if somebody grab your lollypop.
Some arab countries make heavily advertizing in western country TV channels in order to attract westerners to bring money. If you do so, also please be aware that you have to adapt to their needs. And when westerners come, so be ready to meet girls in bikins, men in shorts or even topless.
There do exist some basic dresscodes, specially, when you visit religious sites.
You can also find sometimes rude tourists, of course. But you cannot make tourists(foreigners) come to your country and then say "Beware, you are now in an islamic country. You cannot do this, do that, respect this respect that."
I'm sorry for you mate, but both will not fit together. Nobody will come.
Im Always Right,Its Like,When Im Right,Im Right,And When Im Wrong,I Could've Been Right,So Im Still Right,'Cause I Could've Been Wrong!
Come on, don't over-react as if somebody grab your lollypop.
Some arab countries make heavily advertizing in western country TV channels in order to attract westerners to bring money. If you do so, also please be aware that you have to adapt to their needs. And when westerners come, so be ready to meet girls in bikins, men in shorts or even topless.
There do exist some basic dresscodes, specially, when you visit religious sites.
You can also find sometimes rude tourists, of course. But you cannot make tourists(foreigners) come to your country and then say "Beware, you are now in an islamic country. You cannot do this, do that, respect this respect that."
So by that logic, if I go to America I should keep driving on the left hand side of the road like we do in Britain? Or I should go to a baseball game and keep shouting 'Your national sport sucks, Cricket is better!'?
I'm sorry for you mate, but both will not fit together. Nobody will come.
Tough. Respect the laws (and culture) of the land you are in. This goes for everybody, Muslim and non-Muslim, white, black, brown, yellow, red, purple, green...
In The Name of Allah, The Most Gracious, The Most Merciful
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format_quote Originally Posted by Aaron85
First of all- topless sunbathing is not fundament of western values, so dont connect only nudity with Western World . You cant prove me that asian or african women dont sunbath topless.
It is part of the fundamental of western values. Westerns pride themselves about freedom choice. the freedom to wear anything or nothing. there are many public nude beaches across the US. these things don't exist in the Muslim countries. I blame UAE for this mass.
format_quote Originally Posted by Aaron85
Anyway, so now you see what we feel seeing women in full niqaab clothes on european streets. We also dont like it and it is also against our culture and tradition.
The difference is that the Muslim countries don’t arrogantly boast about democracy and freedom of choice. And these are the fundamental values of United States and many other western countries. You can't complain about how someone chooses to live their life or how they wish to dress while at the same time preach about values of freedom.
The difference is that the Muslim countries don’t arrogantly boast about democracy and freedom of choice. And this is the fundamental values of natives of United States and many other western countries. You can't complain about how someone chooses to live their life or how they wish to dress while at the same time preach about values of freedom.
That's a good point I've raised elsewhere and never really received an answer...
"Tough words" ... Might be, but tell me, what rules the world? It is neither a God, neither a person, or any institution. It is simply "MONEY" !
Want to have some of it? So you have to swallow your pride in order to get some if tourism is the only option you have.
Sure, I agree on a few points. A serious tourist will inform himself first, what are the do's and don't. In many countries in Europe, you also need casual dress to enter a church, also running around inside a city topless (I speak about men) is forbidden too.
I think, both sides must make some compromises if you like to attract tourists from all over the world.
Im Always Right,Its Like,When Im Right,Im Right,And When Im Wrong,I Could've Been Right,So Im Still Right,'Cause I Could've Been Wrong!
"Tough words" ... Might be, but tell me, what rules the world? It is neither a God, neither a person, or any institution. It is simply "MONEY" !
Yeah, I understood what you were saying.
Want to have some of it? So you have to swallow your pride in order to get some.
Sure, I agree on a few points. A serious tourist will inform himself first, what are the do's and don't. In many countries in Europe, you also need casual dress to enter a church, also running around inside a city topless (I speak about men) is forbidden too.
Exactly. Even if someone's a tourist they should be respectful. At least that's my viewpoint. I wouldn't go to a Sumo Wrestling match in Japan and start making fun of that national sport for instance, since I would be disrespecting my hosts.
I think, both sides must make some compromises if you like to attract tourists from all over the world.
I know what you're saying. I still think the onus is on the tourist or the immigrant to respect the land they're visiting or moving to.
I agree on that, but sad to say, neither you Muezzin nor me are ruling these countries. It is as I said, the money. And corrupt people, you will find everywhere. Some are really ready to drop the pants just to earn some more money even they have to forget the moral/religious values of their countries
And those who suffer of it is the local population.
Im Always Right,Its Like,When Im Right,Im Right,And When Im Wrong,I Could've Been Right,So Im Still Right,'Cause I Could've Been Wrong!
That's a good point I've raised elsewhere and never really received an answer...
Democracy doesnt mean that everyone can do whatever he/she wants. Just imagine how would it look like if in one country everyone would behave like he wants?
I am sure that you don't support homosexual marriages and abortion, but these bad things hapenned in West because people began to understand democracy in the way that you do- that everyone can do what he wants.
Democracy and freedom means that i can say anything ( which of course doesn't harm others ) and i won't go to jail for that.
Democracy and freedom means that no matter if i am white, black or yellow, i have the same rights and opportunities.
It means that women and men are equal in rights.
It means that everyone borns as a free man and he/she can struggle for good life for him.
Democracy doesnt mean that everyone can do whatever he/she wants. Just imagine how would it look like if in one country everyone would behave like he wants?
I am sure that you don't support homosexual marriages and abortion, but these bad things hapenned in West because people began to understand democracy in the way that you do- that everyone can do what he wants.
Democracy and freedom means that i can say anything ( which of course doesn't harm others ) and i won't go to jail for that.
Democracy and freedom means that no matter if i am white, black or yellow, i have the same rights and opportunities.
It means that women and men are equal in rights.
It means that everyone borns as a free man and he/she can struggle for good life for him.
But it doesn't mean that everything is permitted.
But freedom of expression, which is a value many in the West (including myself) hold dear, does allow people to say or display anything they want.
Where does France stand on freedom of expression?
format_quote Originally Posted by guyabano
I agree on that, but sad to say, neither you Muezzin nor me are ruling these countries. It is as I said, the money. And corrupt people, you will find everywhere. Some are really ready to drop the pants just to earn some more money even they have to forget the moral/religious values of their countries
And those who suffer of it is the local population.
In The Name of Allah, The Most Gracious, The Most Merciful
format_quote Originally Posted by Aaron85
Democracy doesnt mean that everyone can do whatever he/she wants. Just imagine how would it look like if in one country everyone would behave like he wants?
I am sure that you don't support homosexual marriages and abortion, but these bad things hapenned in West because people began to understand democracy in the way that you do- that everyone can do what he wants.
Democracy and freedom means that i can say anything ( which of course doesn't harm others ) and i won't go to jail for that.
Democracy and freedom means that no matter if i am white, black or yellow, i have the same rights and opportunities.
It means that women and men are equal in rights.
It means that everyone borons as a free man and he/she can struggle for good life for him.
But it doesn't mean that everything is permitted.
plz explain to me how a Muslim woman wearing Niqab violates democracy as you stated above? abortion and homosexuality are different issues. you can't compare these evil practices to niqab.
In The Name of Allah, The Most Gracious, The Most Merciful
plz explain to me how a Muslim woman wearing Niqab violates democracy as you stated above? abortion and homosexuality are different issues. you can't compare these evil practices to niqab.
-SI-
Here i explain you dear Sifilam- both homosexual marriages and niqaab are against european tradition and culture.
But freedom of expression, which is a value many in the West (including myself) hold dear, does allow people to say or display anything they want.
Bleh, silly politicians ruining everything...
True, but it does make it difficult for visitors as they need to find out what is legal in a given locality. Like Dubai many visitors to Texas run into the same problems on the beaches. The Beaches on the Texas coast fall into 2 categories, public or private property. Public beaches have some very strict laws and the laws are not much different than the laws found in Dubai. However the private property ones are much different. As long as they do not have general public access and are not visible to the public, nearly anything can and does happen. Those are the type of beaches many people associate with the US and then get into trouble when they try the same things at a public beach and wonder what happened when they get thrown in Jail.
In The Name of Allah, The Most Gracious, The Most Merciful
format_quote Originally Posted by Aaron85
Here i explain you dear Sifilam- both homosexual marriages and niqaab are against european tradition and culture.
I get it, freedom and democracy as long as someone lives their life according to your culture and beliefs. your values of freedom makes perfect sense. I wonder how many westerners will agree with you.
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