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    Hamas Full Control Of Gaza! (OP)


    Hamas takes full control of Gaza
    An uneasy calm has returned to the Gaza Strip where Hamas is in full control following a series of attacks on key strongholds of its rival, Fatah.
    On its first day of rule, Hamas said it had released several top Fatah military commanders under a prisoner "amnesty".

    At least 100 people have died during a week of factional fighting.

    Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas has dissolved the Hamas-led unity government and is expected to name a caretaker administration within hours.

    However, Prime Minister Ismail Haniya, of Hamas, said his government would ignore Mr Abbas's "hasty decision" and would press on and impose decisive law and order.

    Relative calm

    On Friday, vehicles returned to the roads and shops were open in Gaza. Few armed men were visible on the streets and there were reports of only sporadic gunfire.



    The relative calm followed scenes of violence on Thursday as Hamas fighters seized remaining Fatah positions including the headquarters of Fatah's Preventative Security force and the presidential compound in Gaza City.

    Hamas said it had captured several top Fatah military leaders, including the commanders of the National Security force and of the Presidential Guard.

    However, the Islamist group later said it would release them unharmed as part of an "amnesty".

    Meanwhile, Egyptian police said that about 100 senior Fatah officials had fled from Gaza into Egypt overnight aboard a fishing boat.

    The Palestinian officials are thought to belong to Fatah's Preventive Security forces. They were transferred to police camps in Egypt where the wounded received treatment.

    About 200 other Fatah security workers have already sought refuge in Egypt, officials said.

    Hamas said it planned to take control of the Gaza-Egypt border crossing, which was patrolled by Fatah's Presidential Guard until the outbreak of violence on Saturday.

    Rule by decree

    President Abbas dismissed the three-month-old unity government on Thursday and declared a state of emergency.

    He is expected to name an interim administration on Friday. He has said he will rule by presidential decree until the conditions are right for early elections.



    Under the Palestinian Basic Law, essentially the Palestinian constitution, the president can rule by decree for 30 days. This can be extended with the approval of the parliament.

    The BBC's Matthew Price in Jerusalem says this may be an irrelevance, as Mr Abbas appears to no longer have any influence in Gaza.

    Our correspondent says the West Bank and Gaza Strip will now effectively be split from one another - Gaza run by Hamas and the West Bank by Fatah.

    There are also fears that violence will spread to the West Bank, where Fatah is dominant. The al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, affiliated to Fatah, has called for "martial law".

    Hamas won a surprise victory in Palestinian elections in early 2006 but has since been engaged in an intermittently violent power struggle with Fatah.

    Hamas, an Islamic organisation, rose to prominence in Gaza during two Palestinian uprisings and refuses to recognise or negotiate with Israel.

    Fatah, a secular political grouping headed by Mr Abbas, ran the Palestinian Authority until 2006 and officially recognises Israel.

    Story from BBC NEWS:
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    Published: 2007/06/15 11:01:56 GMT

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    Finally something new, its actually no war in Gaza right now!

    I do not understand why they fight eachother. I would be lying if I said it makes me sad, but still.
    All are arabs, all are palestinians, all are muslims et c.
    And they are occupied by Israel.

    Why do they still fight eachother?

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    Re: Hamas Full Control Of Gaza!

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    format_quote Originally Posted by Plexus View Post
    Salam Zman


    You will never find a pro-western article on ‘http://www.informationclearinghouse’.

    Salam Plex,

    Why not? Just because they print the truth, doesn't mean that they are anti-Western, biased, or self-hating Westerners.

    This is Just an excuse to dismiss anything others say that strikes our nerves.

    Not that there is nothing of value to be got from the unaccountable authors.

    I disagree. Everyone is entitled to submit their views and news. Everyone's opinion counts. You may not agree with what they say, But, it must respected.

    Also, much of the information that is submitted on these alternative news sites, come from famous and respected authors, and mainstream media outlets. They aren't widely disseminated, due to the fact that they strike a nerve and make some people uncomfortable.

    Islam seeks nothing less than a total global domination.
    Everyone seeks to dominate the world. Just as America has dominated the world since the end of WW2. The West has also dominated the world since 1492.

    Islam seeks to guide the wolrd through peace, Justice and harmony, if given a chance.[/i]
    The word Islam literally means “submission” or “surrender”, the kind that comes by force or fraud.
    Incorrect. Submission to God's Will, not non-Muslims submitting to Muslims.
    Its scripture must be taken literally; its provisions are intended to dominate every waking moment in the life of a believer.
    Islam, seeks to guide us, not to dominate or enslave us.

    On the other hand, your above aligations fits hand-in-glove, with the current man-made global laws. They truly are intended to dominate, and enslave us. Anyone who voices a differing opinion or an opposing view than that of the majority or authority is accused of being a non-conformist, and all efforts are made to silence and defame that individual.

    Before you hurl accusations towards Islam, you should confront the very acts the West commits on a daily bases, yet hypocritically turns around and lectures others for not following those very rules.

    People in glass houses shouldn't be throwing stones at others.

    There is no room for being a half-hearted Muslim
    You're either a Muslim or not. As long as you recite the Shahadah, you are a Muslim.

    What do you mean by a "half-hearted Muslim?"

    and no toleration of watering down its invocations.

    Why water down Islam?

    No disrespect intended, but that is none of your business nor is it of the Wests, or even Muslims.

    Islam is to be practices as God intended it to be, as it was Revealed to the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)...
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    Re: Hamas Full Control Of Gaza!

    You will never find a pro-western article on ‘http://www.informationclearinghouse’.
    Why not? Just because they print the truth
    It is like me going to the "Prophet of Doom" for honest information about Islam.
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    Re: Hamas Full Control Of Gaza!

    format_quote Originally Posted by Zman View Post
    Why not? Just because they print the truth, doesn't mean that they are anti-Western, biased, or self-hating Westerners.
    Hahaha, what truth ? The truth YOU just want to hear and fit your consiracy theories !
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    Re: Hamas Full Control Of Gaza!

    /Peace To All


    The Israeli Recipe For 2008: Genocide In Gaza, Ethnic Cleansing In The West Bank

    By Ilan Pappé
    From The June 23, 2007 Issue
    The IndyPendent

    Not long ago, I claimed that Israel is employing genocidal policies in the Gaza Strip. I hesitated before using this very charged term and yet decided to adopt it. The responses I received indicated unease in using such a term.

    I rethought the term for a while, but concluded with even stronger conviction: it is the only appropriate way to describe what the Israeli army is doing in the Gaza Strip.

    On Dec. 28, 2006, the Israeli human rights organization Betzelem published its annual report on Israeli atrocities in the occupied territories.

    In 2006, Israeli forces killed 660 citizens, triple the number of the previous year (around 200).

    Most of the dead are from the Gaza Strip, where Israeli forces demolished almost 300 houses and have slain entire families.

    Since 2000, almost 4,000 Palestinians have been killed by Israeli forces, half of them children, and more than 20,000 wounded.

    The point is not just about escalating intentional killings but the strategy.

    Annexation:

    Israeli policy makers are facing two very different realities in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.

    In the former, they are finishing construction of their eastern border. Their internal ideological debate is over, and their master plan for annexing half of the West Bank is gaining speed.

    The last phase was delayed due to the promises made by Israel, under the Road Map, not to build new settlements.

    Israel found two ways of circumventing this.

    First, it defined a third of the West Bank as Greater Jerusalem, which allowed it to build towns and community centers within this new annexed area.

    Second, it expanded old settlements to such proportions that there was no need to build new ones.

    Creeping Transfer:

    The settlements, army bases, roads and the wall will allow Israel to annex almost half of the West Bank by 2010.

    Within these territories, Israeli authorities will continue to implement creeping transfer policies against the considerable number of Palestinians who remain.

    There is no rush.

    As far as the Israelis are concerned they have the upper hand there; the daily abusive and dehumanizing combination of army and bureaucracy effectively adds to the dispossession process.
    All governing parties from Labor to Kadima accept Ariel Sharon’s strategic thinking that this policy is far better than the one offered by the blunt “transferists” or ethnic cleansers, such as Avigdor Liberman.

    In the Gaza Strip there is no clear Israeli strategy, but there is a daily experiment with one.

    The Israelis see the Strip as a distinct geo-political entity from the West Bank. Hamas controls Gaza, while Mahmoud Abbas seems to run the fragmented West Bank with Israeli and American blessing.

    There is no land in the Strip that Israel covets and there is no hinterland, like Jordan, to which the Palestinians can be expelled.


    Ethnic cleansing is ineffective here.

    The earlier strategy in the Strip was ghettoizing the Palestinians there, but this is not working.

    The Jews know it best from their history.

    In the past, the next stage against such communities was even more barbaric.

    It is difficult to tell what does the future hold for the Gaza community: ghettoized, quarantined, unwanted and demonized.
    Throwing Away The Key:
    Creating the prison and throwing the key to the sea, as South African law professor John Dugard has put it, was an option the Palestinians in the Strip reacted against with force in September 2005.

    Determined to show that they were still part of the West Bank and Palestine, they launched the first significant number of missiles into the Western Negev. The shelling was a response to an Israeli campaign of massive arrests of Hamas and Jihad people in the Tul Karim area.

    Israel responded with operation “First Rain.”

    Supersonic flights were flown over Gaza to terrorize the entire population, succeeded by heavy bombardment of vast areas from the sea, sky and land.


    The logic, the Israeli army explained, was to weaken the community’s support for the rocket launchers.

    As was expected, by the Israelis as well, the operation only increased the support for the rocket launchers.

    The real purpose was experimental.

    The Israeli generals wished to know how such operations would be received at home, in the region and in the world.

    And it seems the answer was “very well;” no one took interest in the scores of dead and hundreds of wounded Palestinians.

    Following operations were modeled on First Rain.


    The difference was more firepower, more casualties and more collateral damage and, as expected, more Qassam missiles in response.

    Accompanying measures ensured full imprisonment of Gazans through boycott and blockade, with which the European Union is shamefully collaborating.
    The capture of Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit in June 2006 was irrelevant in the general scheme, but it provided an opportunity for the Israelis to escalate even more.

    After all, there was no strategy that followed the decision of Sharon to remove 8,000 settlers from Gaza whose presence complicated “punitive” missions.

    Since then, the “punitive” actions continue and have become a strategy.

    First Rain was replaced by “Summer Rains.”

    In a country where there is no rain in the summer, one can expect only showers of F-16 bombs and artillery shells hitting the people of the Strip.

    Summer Rains brought a novel component: the land invasion into parts of the Gaza Strip.

    This enabled the army to kill citizens and present it as an inevitable result of heavy fighting within densely populated areas and not of Israeli policies.

    Summer Rains, Autumn Clouds:

    When the summer was over came the even more efficient “Autumn Clouds:” beginning on Nov. 1, 2006, the Israelis killed 70 civilians in less than 48 hours.

    By the end of that month, almost 200 were killed, half of them children and women.

    Some of the activity was parallelled the Israeli attacks on Lebanon, making it easier to complete the operations without much external attention, let alone criticism.

    From First Rain to Autumn Clouds there is escalation in every parameter.
    The first is erasing the distinction between “civilian” and “non-civilian” targets: the population is the main target for the army’s operation.

    Second is the escalation in the means: employment of every possible killing machine the Israeli army possesses.

    Third is escalation in the number of casualties: with each future operation, a much larger number of people are likely to be killed and wounded.

    Finally, and most importantly, the operations have become a strategy — the way Israel intends to solve the problem of the Gaza Strip.
    A creeping transfer in the West Bank and a measured genocidal policy in the Gaza strip are the two strategies Israel employs today.

    From an electoral point of view the policy in Gaza is problematic, as it does not reap any tangible results; the West Bank under Mahmoud Abbas is yielding to Israeli pressure and there is no significant force that arrests the Israeli strategy of annexation and dispossession.

    Gaza Fights Back:

    But the Strip continues to fire back. This would enable the Israeli army to initiate larger genocidal operations in the future, but there is also the great danger that, as in 1948, the army would demand a more drastic and systematic “punitive” action against the besieged people of the Gaza Strip.

    Ironically, the Israeli killing machine has rested lately.

    Its generals are content that the internal killing in the Strip does the job for them.

    They watch satisfied the emerging civil war in the Strip that Israel foments and encourages.

    The responsibility of ending the fighting lies of course with the Palestinian groups themselves, but U.S. and Israeli interference, the continued imprisonment, the starvation and strangulation of the Strip all make such an internal peace process very difficult.

    Cutting Israel’s Oxygen:

    What unfolds in Gaza is a battleground between America’s and Israel’s local proxies most unintentional but who dance to Israel’s tune nonetheless — and those who oppose their plans. The opposition that took over Gaza did it in a way that one finds very hard to condone or cheer.

    Once fighting there subsides, the Israeli Summer Rains will fall down again on the people in the Strip, wreaking havoc and death.

    There is no other way of stopping Israel than that of boycott, divestments and sanctions.

    The only soft point of this killing machine is its oxygen lines to “western” civilization and public opinion.

    It is still possible to puncture them and make it at least more difficult for the Israelis to implement their future strategy of eliminating the Palestinian people either by cleansing them in the West Bank or genocide in the Gaza Strip.
    Dr. Ilan Pappé is an Israeli historian and author of numerous books, including The Modern Middle East and The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine.

    Source:
    http://www.indypendent.org/?p=1184
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    Re: Hamas Full Control Of Gaza!

    Dr. Ilan Pappe is hardly an unbiased historian, but of course it wasn't intended to be unbiased. Pappe is a communist and has a track record of supporting claims that cannot be independently verified. If this article was supposed to show how "Israelis" feel about the situation, I'm afraid I'm not buying it. This is like posting an article by Michael Moore to prove how bad Republicans are.
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    Re: Hamas Full Control Of Gaza!

    format_quote Originally Posted by wilberhum View Post
    I think Michael Moore is more objective than most of Zman's copy/paste articles.
    ..and at least Moore's work has a laugh thrown in occasionally.
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    Re: Hamas Full Control Of Gaza!

    Salam Zman

    Originally Posted by Plexus
    Salam Zman


    You will never find a pro-western article on ‘http://www.informationclearinghouse’.

    Salam Plex,

    Why not? Just because they print the truth, doesn't mean that they are anti-Western, biased, or self-hating Westerners.

    This is Just an excuse to dismiss anything others say that strikes our nerves.
    Yes they are bias and unaccountable.
    The Muslim’s contributions will be bias because they believe the Kaffir are filth and committing mischief in the world (I don’t quote Qu’ran, Hadith & Sunnah because I assume you know).
    The political left leaning, such as me who are critical of current institutions of global economics such as the World Trade Organization.
    Western conservative Goverments are more and more in the pockets of corporations. And the huge profit made in war makes me very worry about the influence of economics over peace.


    Not that there is nothing of value to be got from the unaccountable authors.

    I disagree. Everyone is entitled to submit their views and news. Everyone's opinion counts. You may not agree with what they say, But, it must respected.

    Also, much of the information that is submitted on these alternative news sites, come from famous and respected authors, and mainstream media outlets. They aren't widely disseminated, due to the fact that they strike a nerve and make some people uncomfortable.[/COLOR]
    And I read as many views as I can and I agree with some but some I can’t respect.


    Islam seeks nothing less than a total global domination.

    Everyone seeks to dominate the world. Just as America has dominated the world since the end of WW2. The West has also dominated the world since 1492.
    Islam seeks to guide the wolrd through peace, Justice and harmony, if given a chance.
    The word Islam literally means “submission” or “surrender”, the kind that comes by force or fraud.

    Incorrect. Submission to God's Will, not non-Muslims submitting to Muslims.
    Qu’ran: 9:29: “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission,


    Its scripture must be taken literally; its provisions are intended to dominate every waking moment in the life of a believer.

    Islam, seeks to guide us, not to dominate or enslave us.

    On the other hand, your above aligations fits hand-in-glove, with the current man-made global laws. They truly are intended to dominate, and enslave us. Anyone who voices a differing opinion or an opposing view than that of the majority or authority is accused of being a non-conformist, and all efforts are made to silence and defame that individual.

    Before you hurl accusations towards Islam, you should confront the very acts the West commits on a daily bases, yet hypocritically turns around and lectures others for not following those very rules.
    People in glass houses shouldn't be throwing stones at others.


    If you mean dominant in progress and development, yes the West is especially America, where you enjoy the freedom to practice the religion of your choice in the comfort of a successful economy. The West is dominant in medicine, technology and the science for example. Even little Israel has more Noble Prize winners amongst its citizens than all of the Muslim nations put together. The West are leaders in tolerance for others beliefs. Equality between men and women. On the cutting edge if you like, of freedoms for its citizen’s commiserate with our level of civility.


    You are dissatisfied with the West (so am I) and you think you’ve found the answer in Islam.

    The West has many problem’s and faults but you can’t compare it with the backwardness and violence of sharia Islamic states. Where is this peaceful and harmonic Islam, where is it present today? Or, was it present in the past any where in the whole world at all? If so, could you kindly give an example of a peaceful and harmonic Islam? What are the good things that Qu’ran or Hadiths teach?
    Give Islam a chance?
    It’s been 1400 years of violence.

    I hate what’s happening to the people in Palestine today and I want it to stop. If the Muslim’s laid down their weapons there would be peace but because the Mosque teaches people Muhammad made Jews into pigs and donkeys and the parents teach their children that so there will never be peace.

    ("O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: they are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guides not a people unjust." Quran 5:51)

    If the Jews laid down their weapons they’d cease to exist.

    Islam seeks to rule by any means whatever, including violent jihad.

    Qu’ran 8.06: Against them (the unbelievers) make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly.”.

    The enemies of Allah are enemies for mealy rejecting Islam.

    Muhammad was a great man, as a Bedouin in the Bronze Age he was successful and the laws he imposed may have been superior to what was at that time but you want to live like that today?

    There is no room for being a half-hearted Muslim

    You're either a Muslim or not. As long as you recite the Shahadah, you are a Muslim.

    What do you mean by a "half-hearted Muslim?":

    There is no such thing as a moderate Muslim. Moderate Muslims or in other words non-practicing Muslims, like millions of Muslims, are Muslims by default, who were born into a faith they did not choose, a faith in most cases inflicted upon them by invaders of a foreign culture, a faith that forbids them to leave or revert to their pre-Islamic heritage and religions. Therefore, vast majority of Muslims remain Muslims in name only.


    [COLOR=and no toleration of watering down its invocations.

    Why water down Islam?

    No disrespect intended, but that is none of your business nor is it of the Wests, or even Muslims.

    Islam is to be practices as God intended it to be, as it was Revealed to the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)...
    That's the problem. It is Islamic teaching that Muhammad is the perfect example for mankind for all time. And the Qu'ran is the words of Allah with out any mistakes.
    It would be wonderful to believe that if only a quiet reform could mend the hearts of Muslims, and that much of their sacred writings could be overlooked and forgotten, or perhaps just re-interpreted, then all of the Islamic world could join the community of modern, civilized humankind. Unfortunately, this plan can never work. It might work for a while, but then some Muslims might take to reading, and the whole jihad, terror, coercion, Sharia trend would start over. You cannot reform that which is central to a religion.
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    Re: Hamas Full Control Of Gaza!

    Plexus, it's amazing isn't it? And if we check your intro - you pretend to be muslim? Now you're an expert at Qur'an aswell?


    Isn't it amazing how you pretend to be Muslim in your intro:
    assalamu alaykum



    I think we'll have to discuss your position with the other mods. I think we would have let you off, but since you're taking so much verses of the Qur'an out of context, while you've already recieved a warning for doing so in the past - it may just lead to a ban.

    Unless you really are willing to find out the context of them verses:

    Commonly Misquoted Verses and Narrations


    However, if this misquoting was to continue further in the future - it would lead to a direct permanent ban.




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    Re: Hamas Full Control Of Gaza!

    format_quote Originally Posted by - Qatada - View Post
    Plexus, it's amazing isn't it? And if we check your intro - you pretend to be muslim? Now you're an expert at Qur'an aswell?


    Isn't it amazing how you pretend to be Muslim in your intro:
    assalamu alaykum



    I think we'll have to discuss your position with the other mods. I think we would have let you off, but since you're taking so much verses of the Qur'an out of context, while you've already recieved a warning for doing so in the past - it may just lead to a ban.

    Unless you really are willing to find out the context of them verses:

    Commonly Misquoted Verses and Narrations


    However, if this misquoting was to continue further in the future - it would lead to a direct permanent ban.




    Regards.
    assalamu alaykum

    Other than use the Muslim greeting where did I pretend to be a Muslim?
    I wished people well... and that's all I did!
    What's amazing is you saying I did.

    Up until my last couple of posts I was ambiguous about my identity wanting what I said accepted or rejected based on it's merit rather than on who I was.

    If my quoting of the Qu'ran, Hadith or sunnah is wrong or 'out of context' then I would hope someone would correct me.

    Immediately Zman questioned me about my identity I became unambiguous.

    Anyway, this thread is about the suffering of the people of Palestine/Israel and my point about Islam being the deal breaker or the ultimate stopper of a peace deal is valid as was confirmed by a post by a Muslim here which I cant get to right now cause I'm writing this.
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    Plexus, i can bring up a load of deleted post of yours which 'incited Jihad' and from the looks of it, you wanted alot of the 'excited youth' to fall into your plot, maybe so you could give their names into the police? I don't know, but it sure seemed evil.


    Anyway, since you don't know the contexts of the verses - then you shouldn't even be posting them. Second, if you really want someone to chase after you all the time to clarify the verses which you've taken out of context - then i don't think you should be posting them in the first place anyway.

    I've given you the link so you can see the verses in context:

    http://www.load-islam.com/artical_de...Misconceptions


    You can check that out to clear your doubts. And like i said before, if it continues - it will lead to an immediate permanent ban, and we will warn others muslim forums of you and your activities (including IP details etc.)




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    Allah says in his Noble Qur'an:
    " Because of that We ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone killed a person not in retaliation of murder, or (and) to spread mischief in the land - it would be as if he killed all mankind, and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind. And indeed, there came to them Our Messengers with clear proofs, evidence, and signs, even then after that many of them continued to exceed the limits (e.g. by doing oppression unjustly and exceeding beyond the limits set by Allah by committing the major sins) in the land! " (5:38)

    In another ayah Allah mentions some qualities of His righteous slaves as He says what can be translated as :
    " And those who invoke not any other god along with Allah, nor kill such person as Allah has forbidden, except for just cause, nor commit illegal sexual intercourse - and whoever does this shall receive the punishment. " (25:68)

    Moreover, there are many Prophetical Ahadith where the Prophet Peace be upon him calls believers to respect and to protect the humanitarian life. So he said that killing a person is one of the greatest sins ,which the polytheism and killing the life and He also said, "A faithful believer remains within the sphere of his religion unless he kills somebody unlawfully".

    Fighting in Islam was legitimated basically to prevent transgression, Allah says what can be translated as, " And fight in the Way of Allah those who fight you, but transgress not the limits. Truly, Allah likes not the transgressors.. And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah(polytheism) is worse than killing. " (1:190,191).

    The Noble Qur'an has given Muslims the legislative right of defense, Allah says what can be translated as, " And fight in the Way of Allah those who fight you, but transgress not the limits. Truly, Allah likes not the transgressors.. And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah(polytheism) is worse than killing. And fight not with them at Al-Masjid-Al-Harâm (the sanctuary at Makkah), unless they (first) fight you there. But if they attack you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.". (1: 190-194).

    Islam gave the permission of war to ward off aggression against Muslims, So Allah says what can be translated as : " Permission to fight (against disbelievers) is given to those (believers) who are fought against, because they have been wronged; and surely, Allah is Able to give them (believers) victory. Those who have been expelled from their homes unjustly only because they said: "Our Lord is Allah." For had it not been that Allah checks one set of people by means of another, monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques, wherein the Name of Allah is mentioned much would surely have been pulled down. Verily, Allah will help those who help His (Cause). Truly, Allah is All-Strong, All-Mighty." (22:39,40)

    Also Allah says what can be translated as: " And if you punish (your enemy, O you believers in the Oneness of Allah), then punish them with the like of that with which you were afflicted. But if you endure patiently, verily, it is better for (the patient). " (16: 126).

    Islam has given Muslims the permission to fight against treacherous and those who broke the treaties of Conventions that were made between Islamic countries and other countries. Regarding this, Allah says what can be translated as, " Verily, The worst of moving (living) creatures before Allah are those who disbelieve. So they shall not believe. They are those with whom you made a covenant, but they break their covenant every time and they do not fear Allah. So if you gain the mastery over them in war, punish them severely in order to disperse those who are behind them, so that they may learn a lesson " (8 :55,58).

    Allah says what can be translated as, " With regard to a believer, they respect not the ties, either of kinship or of covenant! It is they who are the transgressors. But if they repent, perform As-Salât (prayer) , and give Zakât (charity), then they are your brethren in religion. (In this way) We explain the (proofs, evidence, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) in detail for a people who know. But if they violate their oaths after their covenant, and attack your religion with disapproval and criticism, then fight (you) the leaders of disbelief (chiefs of Quraish pagans of Makkah) - for surely their oaths are nothing to them - so that they may stop (evil actions). Will you not fight a people who have violated their oaths (pagans of Makkah), and intended to expel the Messenger while they did attack you first? Do you fear them? Allah has more right that you should fear Him if you are believers. Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people."
    (9:10,14).

    Islam also has permitted war for the sake of saving and upholding the oppressed people. Allah says what can be translated as, " And what is wrong with you that you fight not in the Cause of Allah, and for those weak, ill-treated and oppressed among men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from You one who will protect, and raise for us from You one who will help. " (4:75)

    and He says what can be translated as, " Verily, those who believed, and emigrated and strove hard and fought with their property and their lives in the Cause of Allah as well as those who gave (them) asylum and help, - these are (all) allies to one another. And as to those who believed but did not emigrate (to you O Muhammad), you owe no duty of protection to them until they emigrate; but if they seek your help in religion, it is your duty to help them except against a people with whom you have a treaty of mutual alliance; and Allah is the All-Seer of what you do. And those who disbelieve are allies of one another, (and) if you (Muslims of the whole world collectively) do not do so [i.e. become allies, as one united block under one Khalifa (a chief Muslim ruler for the whole Muslim world) to make victorious Allah's religion of Islamic Monotheism], there will be Fitnah (wars, battles, polytheism) and oppression on the earth, and a great mischief and corruption (appearance of polytheism)." (8:72,73).

    Furthermore, In two prophetical Hadiths , Prophet peace be upon him gave advice to both Ali Ibn-Abu-Taleb and Mu'adh Ibn-Jabal in two different battles saying, "Don't fight them until you invite them to Islam. if they refuse, don't begin fighting until they kill one from you. Then, show them this killed Muslim and say, don't you accept what is much better than fighting ?!! it is to testify that there is no god but Allah (faith confession in Islam ) because, if Allah guides one man on your hands, this will be better than having all what on the whole earth".

    In all his battles, the Prophet peace be upon him advised the army leaders and said, "Go ahead in the name of Allah, and by the blessing of his Messenger. Don't kill an old man, or a child, or a young person or a woman. Don't betray. Act in the Right way, and do good, truly Allah loves the good-doers". And He forbade also mutilating dead bodies as he said: " I warn you of mutilating the killed, even if it was a slaughter dog". He (SAWS) said also: " Don't kill women, or children, or those who are in the monasteries."

    Also Abu-Bakr Al Siddiq (the verifier ), the 1st caliph to Muslims advised the first military expedition's leader in his era, Osama Bin Zaid saying: "Don't betray. Don't take illegally a part of booty. Don't mutilate the dead bodies. Don't kill a child, or an old man, or a woman. Do not cut down or burn palm trees and don't cut down a fruity tree. Don't slaughter a sheep, or a cow or a camel except for food. You will find on your way people who claim to have totally given themselves to Allah. Leave them to what they claim to have given themselves".
    In his advice to his army leader headed for al-sham (The Levant), Abu-Bakr said to Abu-Bakr Yazed Ibn-Abu-Sufyan adding to what was said before " And never fight a wounded man, because a part of him is not his(likening the wounded part to the dead which is not to be put to torture at your hands ) . Speak a little as it suffices you what people have understood from you Accept people 's public deeds and entrust their secrets to Allah. Don't confine your soldiers, lest you should disgrace them ; don't neglect them, because you may spoil them. I place you in the trust of Allah, whose trust is never misplaced."

    In addition, The Caliph Omar Ibnul-Khattab has advised his leader of the army saying: " Go In the name of Allah, and with His help. Go with Allah's support. You'll have victory by staying in the battle and being patient. Fight and transgress not the limits, truly Allah likes not the transgressors. Don't be coward when meeting the enemy. Never mutilate when you've the ability to do so. Don't exceed the limits in the matter of taking life when you're the winners. Don't kill an old man, or a woman, or a child and avoid killing them as much as possible and when the heat of the battle grows and becomes fiercer , make your fight only for the sake of God not for vainglory of this life ,then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme "

    These Commandments in Jihad (war) ethics are more exalted, more perfect, more righteous, and more gracious than all what human's legislation contains. Hence, it's more higher than what the rules of modern international law in general reached and international humanitarian law in particular
    There's a great difference between Islam's ethics in war and what is happening in Palestine for more than half a century, Afghanistan, Iraq, and Chechnya. In the name of what they destruct houses over the heads of their residents ,be it old men, children, or women?. It's in the name of democracy and reform?

    Let Arab marines and hypocrites read those commandments to realize that, they sold the Hereafter for a cheap false world. The world that is not equal a mosquito's wing. Let Muslims' jurists in the international law raise their heads very high and say to the West and its jurists: "this is our religion which speaks the truth since more than fourteen centuries. The religion that legislate, formulate, and implement what you didn't reach in the century of Human rights and civilization.

    Moreover, Islam has put a clear way in dealing with prisoners of war. This way has the essence of honor, preserve the dignity of the prisoner, and the maintenance of his life. In Qur'an there's many ayas that exhort us to honor war prisoners.
    Allah almighty says what can be translated as, "After this, it is you who kill one another and drive out a party of you from their homes, assist (their enemies) against them, in sin and transgression. And if they come to you as captives, you ransom them, although their expulsion was forbidden to you. Then do you believe in a part of the Scripture and reject the rest? Then what is the recompense of those who do so among you, except disgrace in the life of this world, and on the Day of Resurrection they shall be consigned to the most grievous torment. And Allah is not unaware of what you do." (2:85).

    Also Allah almighty says what can be translated as:" O Prophet (Muhammad) Say to the captives that are in your hands! "If Allah knows any good in your hearts, He will give you something better than what has been taken from you, and He will forgive you, and Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. "(8:70,71).

    In Allah says what can be translated as, "And they give food, inspite of their love for it (or for the love of Him), to the poor, the orphan, and the captive"
    (76:8).

    On the other hand, if we look to the Sunnah of the Messenger of Allah peace be upon him either what the Prophet said or did or agreed to during his life, we'll find it very much and need volumes but we'll refer only to the most important of it. As he said : " Fear God regarding prisoners of war" / "Take care of prisoners of war"


    The messenger of Allah peace be upon him has forbidden harming or doing any injustice to prisoners of war as the Hadith says , "on the authority of Shihab as he said," Accompanied by a prisoners of wars , Abo-Baker once passed by Sohib while he was sitting in the mosque , on seeing him , Sohib said " who is this with you ? " "He is a prisoner of war ; I am going to ask the prophet's protection for him " replied Abo-Baker . " there seem to be what could be the effect of a sword in his neck !!" Said Sohib ; Abo-Bakr got angry as a result and headed to the prophet ; on seeing him as so , prophet Mohummed said " why are you angry ?" " I passed with my prisoner by Sohib ,who said he saw the sign of a sword in my prisoner's neck " prophet Mohummed said " Mind you didn't cause him any harm !!" Abo Bakr said " I swear by God , I didn't ."If you had harmed him . you would have disobeyed and displeased God and His messenger ." prophet Mohummed said .

    Look to the difference between that and what's happening in the prison of Gwantanamo and Abu-Ghraib, in Palestine, in Iraq, and in Chechnya! Also look to what's happening in some other countries prisons. Tell me, where are Human Rights in that!!?.

    In Islam even the killed persons have rights. In battles, the unbelievers corpse must be buried and never be let in streets until animals eat them, as we saw in Iraq and Afghanistan now .

    This is just a few of the many and a drop of water in the Islam's wide ocean of generosity . I mention this to distinguish between the right path and the wrong one, the Truth and the falsehood, and the difference between our civilization and their civilization.Also to make those who have brain and heart to understand.
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    Maasha Allaah, an amazing post sister mariam.

    I think everyone should read that to understand the beauty of Islaam, even if some muslims go against the teachings of the Prophetic way.
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    Re: Hamas Full Control Of Gaza!

    format_quote Originally Posted by - Qatada - View Post
    Plexus, i can bring up a load of deleted post of yours which 'incited Jihad' and from the looks of it, you wanted alot of the 'excited youth' to fall into your plot, maybe so you could give their names into the police? I don't know, but it sure seemed evil.


    Anyway, since you don't know the contexts of the verses - then you shouldn't even be posting them. Second, if you really want someone to chase after you all the time to clarify the verses which you've taken out of context - then i don't think you should be posting them in the first place anyway.

    I've given you the link so you can see the verses in context:

    http://www.load-islam.com/artical_de...Misconceptions


    You can check that out to clear your doubts. And like i said before, if it continues - it will lead to an immediate permanent ban, and we will warn others muslim forums of you and your activities (including IP details etc.)




    Regards.
    Hmmm, Islam seems to be full of 'misconceptions' even at this point that they need webpages full of explanations how to interpret those misconceptions. ???!!

    you know, where is a smoke, there is also a fire !

    PS: This quote is NOT out of Quaran that's why NO misconception !
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    Re: Hamas Full Control Of Gaza!

    format_quote Originally Posted by guyabano View Post
    Hmmm, Islam seems to be full of 'misconceptions' even at this point that they need webpages full of explanations how to interpret those misconceptions. ???!!

    you know, where is a smoke, there is also a fire !

    PS: This quote is NOT out of Quaran that's why NO misconception !

    yeh i know guyabano! i'm amazed man.. it shows how much hatred people have for Islaam right? So they post up attacks against Islaam, and i dno.. for some reason - Muslims write refutations against their false claims.


    Amazing isn't it!?



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    format_quote Originally Posted by guyabano View Post
    Hmmm, Islam seems to be full of 'misconceptions' even at this point that they need webpages full of explanations how to interpret those misconceptions. ???!!

    you know, where is a smoke, there is also a fire !

    PS: This quote is NOT out of Quaran that's why NO misconception !
    actually this webpages which full of explanations is for those who didn't know how to read carefully to date.

    do you read my reply number 132?
    I think .. If you read it carefully you can understand Islam .. with out any explanations.
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    Allah says in his Noble Qur'an:
    "Allah. There is no god but He: of a surety He will gather you together against the Day of Judgment, about which there is no doubt. And whose word can be truer than Allah's?

    Why should ye be divided into two parties about the Hypocrites? Allah hath cost them of their (evil) deeds. Would ye guide those whom Allah hath thrown out of the Way? For those whom Allah hath thrown out of the Way, never shalt thou find the Way.

    They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): So take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (from what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks;-

    Except those who join a group between whom and you there is a treaty (of peace), or those who approach you with hearts restraining them from fighting you or fighting their own people. If Allah had pleased, He could have given them power over you, and they would have fought you: Therefore if they withdraw from you but fight you not, and (instead) send you (guarantees of) peace, then Allah Hath opened no way for you (to war against them).

    Others you will find that wish to gain your confidence as well as that of their people: Every time they are sent back to temptation, they succumb thereto: if they withdraw not from you nor give you (guarantees) of peace besides restraining their hands, seize them and slay them wherever ye get them: In their case We have provided you with a clear argument against them.

    Never should a believer kill a believer, except by mistake. And whoever kills a believer by mistake, it is ordained that he should free a believing slave, and pay compensation to the deceased's family, unless they remit it freely. If the deceased belonged to a people at war with you, and he was a believer, the freeing of a believing slave (is enough). If he belonged to a people with whom ye have treaty of mutual alliance, compensation should be paid to his family, and a believing slave be freed. For those who find this beyond their means, (is prescribed) a fast for two months running: by way of repentance to Allah. for Allah hath All knowledge and All wisdom.

    If a man kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell, to abide therein (for ever): And the wrath and the curse of Allah are upon him, and a dreadful penalty is prepared for him.

    O ye who believe! When ye go abroad in the cause of Allah, investigate carefully, and say not to any one who offers you a salutation: "Thou art none of a believer!" Coveting the perishable goods of this life: with Allah are profits and spoils abundant. Even thus were ye yourselves before, till Allah conferred on you His favors: Therefore carefully investigate. For Allah is well aware of all that ye do.
    " (4:87-94)

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    Re: Hamas Full Control Of Gaza!

    format_quote Originally Posted by mariam. View Post
    Allah says in his Noble Qur'an:
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    This is just a few of the many and a drop of water in the Islam's wide ocean of generosity . I mention this to distinguish between the right path and the wrong one, the Truth and the falsehood, and the difference between our civilization and their civilization.Also to make those who have brain and heart to understand.
    That is a great post Mariam, it really does show the mercy and goodness of Islam.

    My only question is, where is this mercy and justness in the wars that are fought today? I havent heard of a single militant group or government in the mid east that follows these Quranic teachings. If they did surely Islam would not be able to be distorted by the media as it is today. The people that are fighting and being fought against are nothing more than Muslim by name, which is why I wish more people on this forum would realize that the wars the west are fighting are not against islam but against those who wish to distort and tear down Islam through their actions. (I am not saying that the government of the west is any better when it comes to rights of POW)

    Great post, thank you for clarifying these verses to people.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by MTAFFI View Post
    That is a great post Mariam, it really does show the mercy and goodness of Islam.

    Hey. I hope you or sister mariam don't get offended if i join in with the discussion.


    My only question is, where is this mercy and justness in the wars that are fought today? I havent heard of a single militant group or government in the mid east that follows these Quranic teachings. If they did surely Islam would not be able to be distorted by the media as it is today.

    There are muslim groups who do fight against evil, with justice, without holding innocents as hostages, without killing women, children, non combatants etc. However, they do not get the required attention since we've seen the media portraying Islaam is something evil for quite a while now.

    The final Messenger of Allaah/God, Muhammad (peace be upon him) spoke the truth when he said:

    "There will not cease to be a group from my ummah [community - the muslims], dominant upon the truth. The ones who abandon them will not be able to harm them, until the decree of Allaah comes."
    [Authentically Reported in Saheeh Muslim]


    The people that are fighting and being fought against are nothing more than Muslim by name, which is why I wish more people on this forum would realize that the wars the west are fighting are not against islam but against those who wish to distort and tear down Islam through their actions. (I am not saying that the government of the west is any better when it comes to rights of POW)

    They may have good intentions, or they might not. However, we know that without a doubt - the evil acts which are done are unislamic.


    Great post, thank you for clarifying these verses to people.






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