Italy: Pakistani man sentenced to 30 years in jail for daughter's 'honour killing' (OP)
Italy: Pakistani man sentenced to 30 years in jail for daughter's 'honour killing'
Brescia, 13 Nov. (AKI) - A Pakistani man in Italy, Mohammed Saleem, and two male relatives, have been sentenced to 30 years in jail in the northern Italian town of Brescia for murdering his daughter, Hina Saleem.
Hina's maternal uncle was also implicated in the crime and received a sentence of two years and eight months for helping to conceal her body.
In what has been termed an 'honour killing' the Pakistani girl was allegedly killed because she had "dishonoured" her family and refused an arranged marriage.
Hina (photo), dressed in western clothes, wore make up, worked in a pizzeria in the northern town of Sarezzo and lived with her Italian boyfriend. She was found with her throat slit buried in the garden of her family home with her head facing Mecca in August 2006.
Her father Mohammed confessed to her slaying.
When the sentence was announced in the court on Tuesday, Hina's mother broke down and was taken by ambulance to a local hospital.
The case shocked Italy and sparked a debate about the integration of Muslims in the predominantly Roman Catholic country.
Re: Italy: Pakistani man sentenced to 30 years in jail for daughter's 'honour killing
format_quote Originally Posted by barney
30 years, yeah, nice balanced sentence. Hope he hates every second of it.
Killing for mixing with Kuffar and not veiling up!
No compulsion in religion.
I highly doubt that was the reason she was killed, if you knew the culture it is to do with the "honour" of the family and there reputation so dont try and twist it and make it look like Islam is to blame because however much you mate hate the fact Islam is in no way linked.
"Lo! the Hour is surely coming, there is no doubt thereof; yet most of mankind believe not." (Al-Ghafir:59)
Re: Italy: Pakistani man sentenced to 30 years in jail for daughter's 'honour killing
format_quote Originally Posted by barney
30 years, yeah, nice balanced sentence. Hope he hates every second of it.
Killing for mixing with Kuffar and not veiling up!
No compulsion in religion.
hola,
i don't think that is a very fair thing to say... child abuse can happen in any society or culture, although it make take different forms. the people here are muslims too and they are very against this for the same reasons most of us are... it is murder and insane.
i wonder if it would be possible for countries where this is a problem to do more with schools and police involvement so that kids could have someone to talk to if they feel like they are in danger at home... this is all part of the entire child abuse problem
Re: Italy: Pakistani man sentenced to 30 years in jail for daughter's 'honour killing
even I am getting worried.we are getting a very bad reputation.Europeans should be clear to Muslims,"in our country do what we do".
BTW,doesn't honour killing of men also occur?
Re: Italy: Pakistani man sentenced to 30 years in jail for daughter's 'honour killing
format_quote Originally Posted by Aziz
even I am getting worried.we are getting a very bad reputation.Europeans should be clear to Muslims,"in our country do what we do".
BTW,doesn't honour killing of men also occur?
yes it does. i knew a guy whose friend killed a man who had committed a wrong against his family that happened before he was born! (they were pashtuns).
but i've never heard of it happening in europe.
each man thinks of his own fleas as gazelles
question authority
Re: Italy: Pakistani man sentenced to 30 years in jail for daughter's 'honour killing
off-topic somewhat related question:I am curious why so many Muslim women marry Non-Muslim men.
Is it because Non-Muslim men>Muslim men in all terms?
drink, drugs and rock and roll?
those are quite modern things;there's more to European culture than them.
I was watching a show about honour killings whereby a bengali girl met up with a bengali guy, his name Raj (I forgot the girl's name), they were sitting in the library I think and when they were about to leave, the girl spotted her father and her brother and she got worried, but the guy Raj walked away as fast as he could. Then, I think the following day or the next couple of days the bengali girl rang Raj and told him she loved him.
Then the girl's brother rang Raj's home phone and Raj's mother picked it up and the girl's brother threatnend the family because he found out about his sister and her boyfriend.
The next day the girl's brother and his friends threw petrol bombs on Raj's house and they ran away. The fire spread quickly and Raj had a big family mashallah, I think 4 or 5 brothers and sisters, they all alhumdullilah managed to escape the house, but the youngest sister she was 5 years old died, she got burnt to death, the hosipital said that she didn't feel any pain becuase the fire had destroyed the pain receptors in her body.
The guy's friends went to jail but the actual guy (the girl's brother) ran away to Bangladesh where he was given a hero's welcome. I felt so sorry for the little girl's mother, she was crying soo much, May Allah (swt) give them peace and help them through this ordeal.
what this guy Raj Muslim?Or an Indian Bengali?really weird you know interfaith marriages along with secularism and liberalism is increasing in Bangladesh.
Last edited by Bittersteel; 11-25-2007 at 02:26 PM.
Re: Italy: Pakistani man sentenced to 30 years in jail for daughter's 'honour killing
format_quote Originally Posted by wilberhum
Just like beating and killing women are the culture of some other group.
Oh did I mention killing school children?
oh and which culture is that then? ive never heard of it
and do you really want me to start bringing stats on the number of deaths and rape of women in america?
how about the gang violence? the drink culture? or maybe the widespread sexual diseases?
or how about the college massacres? columbine? virginia tech?
Re: Italy: Pakistani man sentenced to 30 years in jail for daughter's 'honour killing
I'm Confused that doesn't the girl is also to blame for what she did. Cause it was wrong. She wasn't a kid who didn't know what wrong or right. She was grown up. Also that If some girls who does the same after knowing its wrong what should she be given as punishment?
Re: Italy: Pakistani man sentenced to 30 years in jail for daughter's 'honour killing
format_quote Originally Posted by SophiaCroft
I'm Confused that doesn't the girl is also to blame for what she did. Cause it was wrong. She wasn't a kid who didn't know what wrong or right. She was grown up. Also that If some girls who does the same after knowing its wrong what should she be given as punishment?
Nothing.
Some people might consider it as morally wrong, but its not illegal in Italy to live with a man in a relationship outside the marriage against your parents wishes.
Re: Italy: Pakistani man sentenced to 30 years in jail for daughter's 'honour killing
Interesting, that Fatwa posted about Honor killings, from Islam-qa.com was submitted by me, its good to see its being put to good use.
Honor killings commited by 'muslims' seem to get the most coverage.
There was a case just a few months ago, here in England about an Honor killing in a Sikh family. It also happens amongst Hindus.
Although many, including Anti-Islamists seem to use this as a case to attack Islam and its treatment of women.
Re: Italy: Pakistani man sentenced to 30 years in jail for daughter's 'honour killing
format_quote Originally Posted by Mik'hael
Honor killings commited by 'muslims' seem to get the most coverage.
There was a case just a few months ago, here in England about an Honor killing in a Sikh family. It also happens amongst Hindus.
Although many, including Anti-Islamists seem to use this as a case to attack Islam and its treatment of women.
hear hear! It winds me up. If a 'muslim' person commits a crime, the press makes sure we know his religion. But if a christian person (for example) commits a crime, all the press tells us is he is 'white'.
Re: Italy: Pakistani man sentenced to 30 years in jail for daughter's 'honour killing
format_quote Originally Posted by RoseGold
hear hear! It winds me up. If a 'muslim' person commits a crime, the press makes sure we know his religion. But if a christian person (for example) commits a crime, all the press tells us is he is 'white'.
Re: Italy: Pakistani man sentenced to 30 years in jail for daughter's 'honour killing
format_quote Originally Posted by RoseGold
hear hear! It winds me up. If a 'muslim' person commits a crime, the press makes sure we know his religion. But if a christian person (for example) commits a crime, all the press tells us is he is 'white'.
If a catholic killed his daughter and buried her with her head facing Rome (or whatever) I'm sure the press would mention he is a catholic.
the man is a jahil (ignorant) fool, what his daughter was doing was wrong but killing her is worse and now how can she repent?
guess to this man, his own and his daughters well being in this world and the next world was no where near as important as some silly cultural sense of honour.
what is honourable truly is what is honourable in the sight of Allah and what is dishonourable truly is what is dishonourable in the sight of Allah.
Re: Italy: Pakistani man sentenced to 30 years in jail for daughter's 'honour killing
format_quote Originally Posted by Whatsthepoint
If a catholic killed his daughter and buried her with her head facing Rome (or whatever) I'm sure the press would mention he is a catholic.
I doubt it. Who cares which direction the girl was buried in? It is of no consequence to the story at all. It was only mentioned to point subtly point to the fact that the family was Muslim.
The man committed the crime. Not his religion. Religion should be left out.
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