So the US calls together many mid eastern countries to try and work out the issues between Palestine and Israel, almost everyone attends except Iran, and what is Irans response? Lets have those who are still launching rockets and provoking the other side come together and discuss ______ (you fill in the blank, mine was how to continue a pointless endless war... )
Iran to host militants for 'alternative' Mideast meet 2 hours, 53 minutes ago
TEHRAN (AFP) - Iran said on Tuesday that it had invited Palestinian militant factions to a meeting in Tehran aimed at countering a US-hosted Middle East peace conference seeking to kickstart the peace process.
"These groups are planning to come to Tehran within the next week or two and they are all the Palestinian groups that are struggling for the freedom of their land," government spokesman Gholam Hossein Elham told reporters.
Iran is one of the most vocal backers of Palestinian militant groups like Hamas and Islamic Jihad and pledged millions of dollars in 2006 to the then Hamas government crippled by a Western aid cut.
The Islamic republic does not recognise Israel and its President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has provoked outrage by calling for the Jewish state to be wiped off the map.
Elham indicated the Tehran meeting would be a riposte to the conference bringing together Israeli and Palestinian leaders which started in Annapolis outside Washington on Tuesday.
"It means that the Annapolis conference is not representing the Palestinians and not talking on their behalf, but on the contrary is moving against their rights," he said.
More than a dozen Arab countries, including Saudi Arabia and Iran's top regional ally Syria, have sent representatives, leaving Tehran conspicuously isolated.
On Monday Ahmadinejad told Saudi King Abdullah in a telephone call that he "wished" the kingdom was not taking part in the peace conference.
Tehran's arch foe Washington, which is hosting the meeting, dismissed the Iranian criticism as "not surprising," and charged that Tehran backs the extremists sidelined by the talks.
"War does not determine who is right - only who is left."
- Bertrand Russell
"He who fears being conquered is sure of defeat." - Napoleon Bonaparte
"There is nothing so likely to produce peace as to be well prepared to meet the
enemy." - George Washington
Despite what you and usa says, under International law, any group fighting an occupying force is a legitimate group. Despite the labels given by the oppressors, every group fighting in palestine for liberation of palestine is a freedom fighter. Only countries to disagree with that are US and it's allies....
Despite what you and usa says, under International law, any group fighting an occupying force is a legitimate group. Despite the labels given by the oppressors, every group fighting in palestine for liberation of palestine is a freedom fighter. Only countries to disagree with that are US and it's allies....
No one is denying that they are a legitimate group, they are indeed a legitimate group. It is the kind of group that they are that did not get them invited to the summit. This summit was about how to bring peace to the Palestinian people and Hamas and Iran both openly declared yesterday that they would not allow it no matter what the outcome of the talks were, to me that is sad. Dont get me wrong, the Palestinians have suffered and deserve to be treated fairly and with dignity and Israel needs to give up some settlements and perhaps work out a way to at least share Jeruselum but how will this happen if you have a militant group (legitimate or not) threatening that they will never stop attacking?
"War does not determine who is right - only who is left."
- Bertrand Russell
"He who fears being conquered is sure of defeat." - Napoleon Bonaparte
"There is nothing so likely to produce peace as to be well prepared to meet the
enemy." - George Washington
hamas did say they are willing to make a truce with israel if israel hands back the west bank and east jerusalem.
Do u have a link for that? From what I recall they said "We will call it a truce until we can build our army and infrastruture and then we plan on going back to war with you". To me that isnt much of a deal, besides read that link above, Hamas and Iran both said they would never allow peace as long as any of Israel still exists.
"War does not determine who is right - only who is left."
- Bertrand Russell
"He who fears being conquered is sure of defeat." - Napoleon Bonaparte
"There is nothing so likely to produce peace as to be well prepared to meet the
enemy." - George Washington
No one is denying that they are a legitimate group, they are indeed a legitimate group. It is the kind of group that they are that did not get them invited to the summit. This summit was about how to bring peace to the Palestinian people and Hamas and Iran both openly declared yesterday that they would not allow it no matter what the outcome of the talks were, to me that is sad. Dont get me wrong, the Palestinians have suffered and deserve to be treated fairly and with dignity and Israel needs to give up some settlements and perhaps work out a way to at least share Jeruselum but how will this happen if you have a militant group (legitimate or not) threatening that they will never stop attacking?
yea the piece meal "peace conference" comes and goes with nothing but mockery of the palestinians. Abbas is one of their goons, i don't see any representative of the Palestinians in that piece meal conference. I think this guy sums it up pretty good about the whole situation...
yea the piece meal "peace conference" comes and goes with nothing but mockery of the palestinians. Abbas is one of their goons, i don't see any representative of the Palestinians in that piece meal conference. I think this guy sums it up pretty good about the whole situation...
Abbas doesnt represent the West Bank but the rest of Palestine seems happy with him. Also I dont think his is a "goon" at all, at least he is trying to get his country out of oppression and misery. What is Hamas accomplishing? More oppression and more war, they simply dont have the capacity to win a war against Israel right now. If they wish to attend one of these conferences and give their two cents they must agree to a peace treaty, and agree to work towards a solution through non violent means, otherwise they are looked at as the goons and just another terrorist organization.
"War does not determine who is right - only who is left."
- Bertrand Russell
"He who fears being conquered is sure of defeat." - Napoleon Bonaparte
"There is nothing so likely to produce peace as to be well prepared to meet the
enemy." - George Washington
Abbas doesnt represent the West Bank but the rest of Palestine seems happy with him. Also I dont think his is a "goon" at all, at least he is trying to get his country out of oppression and misery. What is Hamas accomplishing? More oppression and more war, they simply dont have the capacity to win a war against Israel right now. If they wish to attend one of these conferences and give their two cents they must agree to a peace treaty, and agree to work towards a solution through non violent means, otherwise they are looked at as the goons and just another terrorist organization.
Funny, i don't recall him winning the election last year? You have it backwards buddy, Hamas had been trying to save the palestinians to live with dignity and this would've been easy had the west recognized them as the rightful leaders after the elections, elections that west was so badly crying about thinking hamas would loose in democracy. There is no peace treaty, only piece meals of palestine. Going to a meeting is useless when no one will listen to you and they only having these piece meals to show the world that they are doing something about it.
Point 1. Don't call them terrorists, their resistance fighters.
Palestine is a Muslim country and not 1 inch can be given to Israel. If Israel is the size of a nail then it is to big. Everything there doing is illegal. Why don't Israel go to Washington and build and homeland their. We don't need their troubles and their disgusting behavior
On Topic.
Annapolis is the most useless peace conference on earth. Their will never be peace for as long as Israel exists on Muslim lands. I hope people understand that by getting "peace" then we would be forced to give up land. We won't give anything up to Israel or any non Muslims
Point 1. Don't call them terrorists, their resistance fighters.
Palestine is a Muslim country and not 1 inch can be given to Israel. If Israel is the size of a nail then it is to big. Everything there doing is illegal. Why don't Israel go to Washington and build and homeland their. We don't need their troubles and their disgusting behavior
On Topic.
Annapolis is the most useless peace conference on earth. Their will never be peace for as long as Israel exists on Muslim lands. I hope people understand that by getting "peace" then we would be forced to give up land. We won't give anything up to Israel or any non Muslims
Sudais;
Did you get one of those cool new GPS receivers for Ramadan?
Funny, i don't recall him winning the election last year? You have it backwards buddy, Hamas had been trying to save the palestinians to live with dignity and this would've been easy had the west recognized them as the rightful leaders after the elections, elections that west was so badly crying about thinking hamas would loose in democracy. There is no peace treaty, only piece meals of palestine. Going to a meeting is useless when no one will listen to you and they only having these piece meals to show the world that they are doing something about it.
Did you not watch the video i gave you?
I dont have it backwards at all, I know who won the election, I am not saying that them not ruling all of Palestine is right, I am saying they only control the Gaza, and that is simply the facts on the ground. Fatah is the ruling party for the West Bank, do you see any evidence that would show otherwise? I dont, it was a spat between the two parties and now one controls part and the other controls the other part. Simple, so now that this has been established, maybe the Israelis are negotiating to resolve issues with only the west bank, since that is what Abbas controls.
I saw the video, if I posted one on Youtube could I then quote myself and have it hold any weight on the situation?
"War does not determine who is right - only who is left."
- Bertrand Russell
"He who fears being conquered is sure of defeat." - Napoleon Bonaparte
"There is nothing so likely to produce peace as to be well prepared to meet the
enemy." - George Washington
Point 1. Don't call them terrorists, their resistance fighters.
Palestine is a Muslim country and not 1 inch can be given to Israel. If Israel is the size of a nail then it is to big. Everything there doing is illegal. Why don't Israel go to Washington and build and homeland their. We don't need their troubles and their disgusting behavior
On Topic.
Annapolis is the most useless peace conference on earth. Their will never be peace for as long as Israel exists on Muslim lands. I hope people understand that by getting "peace" then we would be forced to give up land. We won't give anything up to Israel or any non Muslims
Here is the point I think you are missing, Jews settled in this land and they had every right to, the Palestinians (formerly known as Jordanians) left the land because of the obvious impending attack from the neighboring Arab countries. The people of Israel defended themselves and guess what... they won, so therefore it is their land, just as it became Muslim land when they conquered it last. So it will be, you can fight and fight and fight but guess what, the Israelis arent being effected by it, only the people of Palestine are, so in essence they are oppressing themselves, kind of ironic isnt it? The more they fight, the more they loose to Israeli settlements and ceased land. Dont you see that a peace deal is the only way forward? Why are you so consumed with war? It is only land and if there were peace the Palestinians could come and go just as the jews originally did, and who knows maybe in a couple hundred years they could conquer it again. Either way, what they are doing now is self destruction and I am beginning to lose sympathy for them. (Hamas at least)
"War does not determine who is right - only who is left."
- Bertrand Russell
"He who fears being conquered is sure of defeat." - Napoleon Bonaparte
"There is nothing so likely to produce peace as to be well prepared to meet the
enemy." - George Washington
Simple, so now that this has been established, maybe the Israelis are negotiating to resolve issues with only the west bank, since that is what Abbas controls.
It might start that way, although like everybody else I'm pessimistic about the chance of success. Should a deal be reached, though, including real concessions by Israel regarding dismantlement of settlements and such, it would end up including Gaza as well almost by default. Hamas would just become an irrelevance. They would not win an election on the "there will never be peace for as long as Israel exists on Muslim lands" principle when there was a deal acceptable to Fatah and most of the Arab world on the table; the people of Gaza just aren't that stupid. It's unlikely in such a situation they would actually hold an election, of course, but they wouldn't survive long with any sort of power either way.
Here is the point I think you are missing, Jews settled in this land and they had every right to, the Palestinians (formerly known as Jordanians) left the land because of the obvious impending attack from the neighboring Arab countries. The people of Israel defended themselves and guess what... they won, so therefore it is their land, just as it became Muslim land when they conquered it last. So it will be, you can fight and fight and fight but guess what, the Israelis arent being effected by it, only the people of Palestine are, so in essence they are oppressing themselves, kind of ironic isnt it? The more they fight, the more they loose to Israeli settlements and ceased land. Dont you see that a peace deal is the only way forward? Why are you so consumed with war? It is only land and if there were peace the Palestinians could come and go just as the jews originally did, and who knows maybe in a couple hundred years they could conquer it again. Either way, what they are doing now is self destruction and I am beginning to lose sympathy for them. (Hamas at least)
Lets get a few facts straight here...
Initially Jews were led to this land by Moses and were told to fight the inhabitants and take land (cuz the inhabitants were ungrateful to Allah). They refused to fight and said you go fight with your Lord as your helper moses. For this they wondered the deserts among other reasons. When younger generation grew up with stronger faith, they fought and got that land.
In course of time that land fell into many hands as do all lands, empires rise and fall you know. And that is fine i guess. But what we have in recent times is not a war but a war crime. These people were killed in germany by the germans and the world comes and steals the land from palestinians and gives it to them. Now that is outright injustice.
As for israel defending itself after it's creation. It lost, big time. Egypt had defeated it and were to about to take over when US sent their OWN bombers and bombed every living creature on the land. Israel didn't defeat anyone, it was the US who massacred those arabs. My source? an old Egyptian soldier who eyewitness his dead brothers as far as the eye could see and US planes above with their relentless bombing to save israel. So they didn't win, nor is it there land nor will it ever be.
Anyways, i'm all up for peace deals if they were a bit realistic. I don't want abbas's peace deals, they are nothing more than piece deals. I"m all for 2 state if israel obeys UN 68+ resolutions it violates, return the ceased land, dismantle illegal settlements, return to original land given to them and accept palestine as independent state to do whatever they want without any of israel interference. That is the only peace deal that will hold over there. Of course i agree to this only because they will stay there till their time comes as foretold.
Here is the point I think you are missing, Jews settled in this land and they had every right to, the Palestinians (formerly known as Jordanians) left the land because of the obvious impending attack from the neighboring Arab countries. The people of Israel defended themselves and guess what... they won, so therefore it is their land, just as it became Muslim land when they conquered it last. So it will be, you can fight and fight and fight but guess what, the Israelis arent being effected by it, only the people of Palestine are, so in essence they are oppressing themselves, kind of ironic isnt it? The more they fight, the more they loose to Israeli settlements and ceased land. Dont you see that a peace deal is the only way forward? Why are you so consumed with war? It is only land and if there were peace the Palestinians could come and go just as the jews originally did, and who knows maybe in a couple hundred years they could conquer it again. Either way, what they are doing now is self destruction and I am beginning to lose sympathy for them. (Hamas at least)
MTAFFI it dosen't matter if you lose sympathy because you'll have no affect on the outcome. We will win the war and the war will not end until there are no more Zionists left there. Every government in the middle east is about to fall Islamic governments. Once that change is done we will struggle until then, and then after that Israel will be wiped off the map. Then you can go establish them in Washington where there loved
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