So the US calls together many mid eastern countries to try and work out the issues between Palestine and Israel, almost everyone attends except Iran, and what is Irans response? Lets have those who are still launching rockets and provoking the other side come together and discuss ______ (you fill in the blank, mine was how to continue a pointless endless war... )
Iran to host militants for 'alternative' Mideast meet 2 hours, 53 minutes ago
TEHRAN (AFP) - Iran said on Tuesday that it had invited Palestinian militant factions to a meeting in Tehran aimed at countering a US-hosted Middle East peace conference seeking to kickstart the peace process.
"These groups are planning to come to Tehran within the next week or two and they are all the Palestinian groups that are struggling for the freedom of their land," government spokesman Gholam Hossein Elham told reporters.
Iran is one of the most vocal backers of Palestinian militant groups like Hamas and Islamic Jihad and pledged millions of dollars in 2006 to the then Hamas government crippled by a Western aid cut.
The Islamic republic does not recognise Israel and its President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has provoked outrage by calling for the Jewish state to be wiped off the map.
Elham indicated the Tehran meeting would be a riposte to the conference bringing together Israeli and Palestinian leaders which started in Annapolis outside Washington on Tuesday.
"It means that the Annapolis conference is not representing the Palestinians and not talking on their behalf, but on the contrary is moving against their rights," he said.
More than a dozen Arab countries, including Saudi Arabia and Iran's top regional ally Syria, have sent representatives, leaving Tehran conspicuously isolated.
On Monday Ahmadinejad told Saudi King Abdullah in a telephone call that he "wished" the kingdom was not taking part in the peace conference.
Tehran's arch foe Washington, which is hosting the meeting, dismissed the Iranian criticism as "not surprising," and charged that Tehran backs the extremists sidelined by the talks.
"War does not determine who is right - only who is left."
- Bertrand Russell
"He who fears being conquered is sure of defeat." - Napoleon Bonaparte
"There is nothing so likely to produce peace as to be well prepared to meet the
enemy." - George Washington
Initially Jews were led to this land by Moses and were told to fight the inhabitants and take land (cuz the inhabitants were ungrateful to Allah). They refused to fight and said you go fight with your Lord as your helper moses. For this they wondered the deserts among other reasons. When younger generation grew up with stronger faith, they fought and got that land.
In course of time that land fell into many hands as do all lands, empires rise and fall you know. And that is fine i guess. But what we have in recent times is not a war but a war crime. These people were killed in germany by the germans and the world comes and steals the land from palestinians and gives it to them. Now that is outright injustice.
War crime? I am not so sure, was it a war crime when they were taken before, if so what makes it right then and not now? Now lets also take note to the fact that what germany was doing was actually in relation to Palestine since the Ottoman Empire sided with the Germans and ultimately lost the land to the British giving them the power to do with what they wish with the land. So no it was injustice it was a war which effectively ended the Nazi empire and the ottoman empire and every other one that sided on that side of the fence. (World War 1, there are plenty of documentaries and video footage to visually and mentally prove all of this to you, without political agenda)
format_quote Originally Posted by islamirama
As for israel defending itself after it's creation. It lost, big time. Egypt had defeated it and were to about to take over when US sent their OWN bombers and bombed every living creature on the land. Israel didn't defeat anyone, it was the US who massacred those arabs. My source? an old Egyptian soldier who eyewitness his dead brothers as far as the eye could see and US planes above with their relentless bombing to save israel. So they didn't win, nor is it there land nor will it ever be.
You have the word of one embarrassed degraded egyptian soldier, the rest of the world has all of the documentation and events of the war, Israel not only defeated these nations once but then a second time as well. They won a war for their land, the neighboring Arabs have not only not excepted it but they even deny it in their text books despite the extensive evidence that clearly shows otherwise. Denial doesnt make it true however.
format_quote Originally Posted by islamirama
Anyways, i'm all up for peace deals if they were a bit realistic. I don't want abbas's peace deals, they are nothing more than piece deals. I"m all for 2 state if israel obeys UN 68+ resolutions it violates, return the ceased land, dismantle illegal settlements, return to original land given to them and accept palestine as independent state to do whatever they want without any of israel interference. That is the only peace deal that will hold over there. Of course i agree to this only because they will stay there till their time comes as foretold.
I am kind of with you on this as far as giving back seized land in the 6 day war, dismantling settlements and recognizing palestine and allowing them to live un-interfered with, however a deal must be made over Jeruselum as well that would allow both to have access.
"War does not determine who is right - only who is left."
- Bertrand Russell
"He who fears being conquered is sure of defeat." - Napoleon Bonaparte
"There is nothing so likely to produce peace as to be well prepared to meet the
enemy." - George Washington
MTAFFI it dosen't matter if you lose sympathy because you'll have no affect on the outcome. We will win the war and the war will not end until there are no more Zionists left there. Every government in the middle east is about to fall Islamic governments. Once that change is done we will struggle until then, and then after that Israel will be wiped off the map. Then you can go establish them in Washington where there loved
OK cool with me, I dont care really either way, if they can take back Israel then that is great, but my point is they surely are not doing it now and they are only making trouble for themselves, so why not live in peace until the time comes you speak of, it certainly isnt today or even in the near future it doesnt seem
"War does not determine who is right - only who is left."
- Bertrand Russell
"He who fears being conquered is sure of defeat." - Napoleon Bonaparte
"There is nothing so likely to produce peace as to be well prepared to meet the
enemy." - George Washington
War crime? I am not so sure, was it a war crime when they were taken before, if so what makes it right then and not now? Now lets also take note to the fact that what germany was doing was actually in relation to Palestine since the Ottoman Empire sided with the Germans and ultimately lost the land to the British giving them the power to do with what they wish with the land. So no it was injustice it was a war which effectively ended the Nazi empire and the ottoman empire and every other one that sided on that side of the fence. (World War 1, there are plenty of documentaries and video footage to visually and mentally prove all of this to you, without political agenda)
Zionists sided with hitler as well, did you know that? they helped hitler kill jews so world would feel sorry for the jews. You have to understand that Jews are judaism are a religion, and zionists and zionism is political group, an extremists one at at that (like KKK). And israeli wars were won with aid of US and weapons of US, without which it would not exist today nor would've it had survived those days.
You have the word of one embarrassed degraded egyptian soldier, the rest of the world has all of the documentation and events of the war, Israel not only defeated these nations once but then a second time as well. They won a war for their land, the neighboring Arabs have not only not excepted it but they even deny it in their text books despite the extensive evidence that clearly shows otherwise. Denial doesnt make it true however.
He is an Islamic scholar these days and i trust his word over the lies of the kuffars who have shown their true colors time after time. Study Islamic History (and other easter countries) and american history, you'll see the amount of lies and fake history americans have been learning thru out decades.
Anyways, i agree with you that the palestinians should make a peace agreement for now so they can at least live in peace and their youths live long enough to build strong army to fight back. Of course, that means Israel must obey UN Resolutions do as i stated before in order for peace to really have a chance.
format_quote Originally Posted by snakelegs
what's wrong with iran having a counter-summit? both are stage shows.
i don't think there is any real desire for peace on either side.
I think that about sums it all ...
Last edited by islamirama; 11-29-2007 at 09:15 PM.
. Once that change is done we will struggle until then, and then after that Israel will be wiped off the map.
The only draw-back with that little scheme is that with the Israelis and Iranians both having nuclear weapons every country between the two will be probably be "wiped off the map" as well. I guess that and several million dead people would be a small price to pay to return a radioactive slag-heap to 'Islamic' control, hmmm ?
The only draw-back with that little scheme is that with the Israelis and Iranians both having nuclear weapons every country between the two will be probably be "wiped off the map" as well. I guess that and several million dead people would be a small price to pay to return a radioactive slag-heap to 'Islamic' control, hmmm ?
as much as everyone loves quoting the Iranian president on "wiping of the map", many don't even know what that means. Look at the map before 1948 and post 1948, palestine has been wiped of the map by zionists and their allies. Muslims will undo that inshallah and wipe israel off and put palestine back on the map. No one is talking about nuking the place, that wouldn't be wise for either side.
The only draw-back with that little scheme is that with the Israelis and Iranians both having nuclear weapons every country between the two will be probably be "wiped off the map" as well. I guess that and several million dead people would be a small price to pay to return a radioactive slag-heap to 'Islamic' control, hmmm ?
not really. If Iran, Syria, and Egypt all launched Ballistic missiles at Tel Aviv then the causalities and the damage would do way too much to Israel to even respond. Remember Iran have 11000 ballistic missiles targeted on Tel aviv and Syria Egypt also have many more. Hezbollah would fight in the North and Hamas in the South. The sheer number of the Muslim forces would be too much for Israel and then it's all over.
not really. If Iran, Syria, and Egypt all launched Ballistic missiles at Tel Aviv then the causalities and the damage would do way too much to Israel to even respond. Remember Iran have 11000 ballistic missiles targeted on Tel aviv and Syria Egypt also have many more. Hezbollah would fight in the North and Hamas in the South. The sheer number of the Muslim forces would be too much for Israel and then it's all over.
yes so why havent they already done it?
"War does not determine who is right - only who is left."
- Bertrand Russell
"He who fears being conquered is sure of defeat." - Napoleon Bonaparte
"There is nothing so likely to produce peace as to be well prepared to meet the
enemy." - George Washington
not really. If Iran, Syria, and Egypt all launched Ballistic missiles at Tel Aviv then the causalities and the damage would do way too much to Israel to even respond. Remember Iran have 11000 ballistic missiles targeted on Tel aviv and Syria Egypt also have many more. Hezbollah would fight in the North and Hamas in the South. The sheer number of the Muslim forces would be too much for Israel and then it's all over.
I guess you should orginize the next war.
Every time those countries have tried they got there butz kicked.
In Syria and Egypt it's the governments. There in turmoil and there pro western but now there very weak in both countries and there soon to be overthrown. Iran is ready and is just preparing it's self. Because you know that Israel will attack Iran or the U.S will and Iran is just waiting patiently before they unleash 11000 missiles on Tel Aviv
In Syria and Egypt it's the governments. There in turmoil and there pro western but now there very weak in both countries and there soon to be overthrown. Iran is ready and is just preparing it's self. Because you know that Israel will attack Iran or the U.S will and Iran is just waiting patiently before they unleash 11000 missiles on Tel Aviv
lol.... I find it funny how many muslims on this board take so much pride in Iran for their anti western rhetoric...lol.. A country of Shia are going to destroy Israel by "unleashing 11,000 missles"...
"War does not determine who is right - only who is left."
- Bertrand Russell
"He who fears being conquered is sure of defeat." - Napoleon Bonaparte
"There is nothing so likely to produce peace as to be well prepared to meet the
enemy." - George Washington
In Syria and Egypt it's the governments. There in turmoil and there pro western but now there very weak in both countries and there soon to be overthrown. Iran is ready and is just preparing it's self. Because you know that Israel will attack Iran or the U.S will and Iran is just waiting patiently before they unleash 11000 missiles on Tel Aviv
It's always the governments...and the west, the kuffars, the pope...
Do you think Israel keeps its fire in Tel Aviv?
And I don't think any of the countries you mention is willing to face the US and the rest of the Israeli allies who would join the combat if Israel proved to be too weak to handle the Arabs by itself.
I think that freedom fighters are those who would fight with occupant army, and who have enough honour to die rather than to kill deliberately occupant's civilians.So someone stops being freedom fighter when he targets children,women and other non- military people.He became terrorist/criminal then.
This country is dying because of a lack of men, not a lack of programs.
As for israel defending itself after it's creation. It lost, big time. Egypt had defeated it and were to about to take over when US sent their OWN bombers and bombed every living creature on the land. Israel didn't defeat anyone, it was the US who massacred those arabs. My source? an old Egyptian soldier who eyewitness his dead brothers as far as the eye could see and US planes above with their relentless bombing to save israel. So they didn't win, nor is it there land nor will it ever be.....
I am beginning to have the slightest twitch of concern that NoName may be right. You may be having sport with us. It is difficult to get my mind around the concept that anyone could really believe what you just said. It is just so preposterous on so many levels.
An "old Egyptian soldier" told you this??? Did he also tell you where the secret stash of gold looted by the IDF from Egyptian Pyramids is to be found?
I am beginning to have the slightest twitch of concern that NoName may be right. You may be having sport with us. It is difficult to get my mind around the concept that anyone could really believe what you just said. It is just so preposterous on so many levels.
The history of this little fantasy is easy enough to research. It didn't take long even for the Egyptians to admit it was complete rubbish, not least because even the other Arab nations didn't believe a word of it.
As to that "surprise attack on Tel Aviv" nobody, least of all the Iranians, is foolish enough to believe it could neutralize the entire Israeli nuclear weapons capability. What it would be far more likely to do is make them angry enough to use it.
I am beginning to have the slightest twitch of concern that NoName may be right. You may be having sport with us. It is difficult to get my mind around the concept that anyone could really believe what you just said. It is just so preposterous on so many levels.
An "old Egyptian soldier" told you this??? Did he also tell you where the secret stash of gold looted by the IDF from Egyptian Pyramids is to be found?
I would not question that he believes that.
Any thing that makes the US, (Where he lives ) look bad,
is instantly accepted.
the only reson why you side with palestine is because they are muslims, if it were the other way around you would support the other side. you would say theyve got every right to be there. its nice that you all stick together but be reasonable!!
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