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    Emblems of the Bush Age: Adrift in a Sea of Booze

    By ALEXANDER COCKBURN

    Politicians here still parrot Nancy Reagan's "Just Say No" campaign against teen drug use. Barrack Obama's in trouble for supposedly having told teens as part of his counseling that he too used bad drugs including heroin. But the needle and the increasingly potent joint don't hold a candle to simple booze in which the current cohort, stretching from mid-teen high schoolers through to college age kids, is marinating itself into weekly oblivion. Though there are those who deprecate claims that youth is drinking more than earlier cohorts, it seems a new lost generation is in the making, emblem of the Bush Age.

    One big concern touted in the press endlessly used to be date-rape, with the girl-victim laid out by drugs. Now it's binge-drinking. High schoolers, and in particular high school girls, drink hard liquor in large quantities as fast as they can and pass out. Sometimes they get gang-raped and wake up pregnant.

    This is the culture. Even meth addiction looks better. Much of it started with the Girls Gone Wild home videos, which were largely filmed during Spring Break. Now it's spring break all year round. Google tries to strip these off Youtube and such as soon as they go up. But there are undergound sites that may be searchable.

    For fun at frat or sorority Parties, the pledges--that is, those who have been accepted for membership -- are made to drink until they throw up and pass out. Then they are stripped by the slightly less drunken contingent and have swastikas and racist epithets written on their bodies in permanent magic marker, are posed in indecent positions and the whole affair is filmed and posted on Facebook/My Space websites.

    If parents really want to know what they're kids are up to they should read the Facebook entries--but it's probably better not to know. A friend of mine with a frat boy son returned shaken from one weekend visit to the frat house having witnessed a lad who vomited on the sleeping fathers during "dads' weekend". This was after he had drained a bottle of Grey Goose vodka, following a day of nonstop drinking. "I don't know how he survived," my friend concluded in some perplexity.

    A recent survey done in Montana, admittedly a heavy drinking state across all age groups, had 38 percent of high schoolers admitting binge drinking within the past 30 days, above the national average of 28 percent. Binge drinking is defined in these stats as having five or more drinks in one session. Over a third of these young boozers said they'd been in a car whose driver was also busy getting loaded. You trip over reports of the resultant auto disasters all the time, in any local paper.

    Teen and college drinkers include here returning vets from Iraq, mostly in their mid-20s. For example Portland State University in Oregon, had 800 vets enrolling this fall, and many other colleges across the country experienced a similarly huge inrush. These include a predictable complement of people with severe problems of post traumatic stress syndrome likely to produce sociopathic behavior.

    Parents worried that some drunk will drive their own drunken child into a wall or another car, or that that their own drunken child will be behind the wheel, now encourage the parties to take place in their own homes. This carries its own risks, in the form of "social hosting" laws in many states, where the householder--even if away on holiday or on business--can get nailed for allowing the party. This includes liability for damages if any death or injury stems from the revelry, either on site or in some carload of party-goers on their way home.

    If Americans look for leadership amidst this crisis, they probably won't want to dwell too long on George Bush, a frat boy with a major drinking problem until--supposedly--he laid off after Laura had been on the receiving end of one too many unpleasant homecomings. George claims God saved him, but there are no signs of the mass religious revival which would now be necessary.

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    Re: America - nation in Sea of Booze

    Why does Ireland get a free pass?
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    "Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not, and a sense of humor was provided to console him for what he is."

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    Re: America - nation in Sea of Booze

    Greetings,

    A lot of people don't realise that alcohol is one of the most dangerous of all intoxicants, legal or otherwise.

    Peace

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    Re: America - nation in Sea of Booze

    format_quote Originally Posted by czgibson View Post
    Greetings,

    A lot of people don't realise that alcohol is one of the most dangerous of all intoxicants, legal or otherwise.

    Peace
    I agree with that, but the American experience with Prohibition wasn't a good one. People are going to drink, and to be frank, drinking alcohol is almost a tradition with most Caucasian ethnicities. Not sure what the answer to the problem is...
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    Perhaps God has much to answer for, afterall is it not him that created alcohol in outerspace?

    What was he thinking of or was he a bit tipsy when he created man with all his design flaws.

    Oh, the evil US..............

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    Re: America - nation in Sea of Booze

    format_quote Originally Posted by root View Post
    Perhaps God has much to answer for, afterall is it not him that created alcohol in outerspace?

    What was he thinking of or was he a bit tipsy when he created man with all his design flaws.

    Oh, the evil US..............
    Well, I assume you know this, but alcohol is created by man. From grapes, grain, and even potatoes(Vodka). So of course this is a human problem. However, I assume you were being sarcastic with your display of athiest logic.
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    If you are going to lament over americas flaws in this category....we should also speak of the fact hasish (pot) is openly smoked in eygpt and yemen...poppies are the crop of choice in afganistan (where 80% of the worlds supply comes from)...I think that it would be far more beneficial for humanity as a whole not to single out any one nation/culture when speaking of intoxicants.."by the way I have been to eygpt on two seperate occasions and know of what I speak.) You can find kids smoking pot in amercia.but lol, not in a coffee shop where the owner provides the hookaas to put the hash in, and sits there with you and talks while you smoke....

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    Re: America - nation in Sea of Booze

    Greetings,
    format_quote Originally Posted by Keltoi View Post
    I agree with that, but the American experience with Prohibition wasn't a good one. People are going to drink, and to be frank, drinking alcohol is almost a tradition with most Caucasian ethnicities. Not sure what the answer to the problem is...
    I'm not suggesting prohibition - quite the reverse! The current prohibition on drugs like heroin, cocaine and the rest is causing similar problems to those experienced by the US during alcohol prohibition.

    Perhaps God has much to answer for, afterall is it not him that created alcohol in outerspace?
    According to this wikipedia article on him, Noah is regarded by some as the inventor of wine.

    Peace

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    Re: America - nation in Sea of Booze

    format_quote Originally Posted by czgibson View Post
    Greetings,

    A lot of people don't realise that alcohol is one of the most dangerous of all intoxicants, legal or otherwise.

    Peace
    Very true. The prophet (saw) was reported to have said that Alcohol is the mother of all vices.
    One can see for themselves the acts that people commit when they are drunk.


    “They ask you (O Muhammad) about intoxicants and games of chance. Say: ‘In both of them there is a great wrong and a means of (some) profit for men; but their sin is greater than their profit.’”
    Quran 2:19

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    Re: America - nation in Sea of Booze

    format_quote Originally Posted by Keltoi View Post
    Well, I assume you know this, but alcohol is created by man. From grapes, grain, and even potatoes(Vodka). So of course this is a human problem. However, I assume you were being sarcastic with your display of athiest logic.
    Not at all, Alcohol has been found on the comet temple1 and a few other places in space too. It's quite common in space actually, and if we never made it who did? Either LGM or God!

    I know myself on a friday night that where I find alcohol I find life....!!!!!

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    Re: America - nation in Sea of Booze

    format_quote Originally Posted by sameer View Post
    The prophet (saw) was reported to have said that Alcohol is the mother of all vices.
    Not to disagree so much and get all christiany original sin on ya, but I think the human mind is the mother of all vices.

    Oh, and Noah, now favorite prophet. (see above).

    Thanks.
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    format_quote Originally Posted by chosen View Post
    If you are going to lament over americas flaws in this category....we should also speak of the fact hasish (pot) is openly smoked in eygpt and yemen...poppies are the crop of choice in afganistan (where 80% of the worlds supply comes from)...I think that it would be far more beneficial for humanity as a whole not to single out any one nation/culture when speaking of intoxicants.."by the way I have been to eygpt on two seperate occasions and know of what I speak.) You can find kids smoking pot in amercia.but lol, not in a coffee shop where the owner provides the hookaas to put the hash in, and sits there with you and talks while you smoke....
    True, alcohol and drug consumption is a global problem that affects everyone whether you're the one drinking or not.

    Its sad to see that even though Islam prohibits these things, they still occur in Muslim homes and lands. This just shows how important it is for Muslims to educate themselves about Islam and not just stick to traditions.

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    format_quote Originally Posted by sameer View Post
    True, alcohol and drug consumption is a global problem that affects everyone whether you're the one drinking or not.

    Its sad to see that even though Islam prohibits these things, they still occur in Muslim homes and lands. This just shows how important it is for Muslims to educate themselves about Islam and not just stick to traditions.
    I agree, in Pakistan they love the stuff and often I would see them ratfaced. Even in the British Consulate in Karachi, some Pakistani nationals get access to a pub they have in thier and could drink me under the table, However, they could not match me on the snooker table.

    OFF Topic, at first when beaten they would simply walk away and I would chase after them and offer a shake of my hand and a "well played, unlucky". Or occasionally, "Well played you deserved to win". By the time I left Pakistan all the Pakistanis going to the consulate regularly shaked hands, win or lose. Quite proud of what I passed onto them.

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    It is sad..and the truth is there is only a select few that are making craploads of money from these industries..booze production..opium..pot..synthetic drugs..what the world as a whole needs to do is hold these people responsible for the distruction their products cause.

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    There's nothing wrong with moderate consumption of wine (and other alchoholic beverages). It's supposed to be beneficial, actually.

    Wine can be an art.

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    the bible does not say drinking is a sin...it says drunkedness is a sin...even Jesus turned water into wine....just like eating is not a sin..but glutony is a sin...however there is a load of difference between a glass of wine and mass promoting beer and whiskey as being sexy and hip and putting these ads up in plain site of imprsessionable children..People laughed at me when my children were young and I would ALWAYS BE WITH THEM..DAY AND NIGHT SUPERVISING THEM...didnt get my first job till a few years ago..there is too much nasty evil in the world..

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    I also have a problem with the bar on every corner mentality....I dont drink at all..but I use to... a glass of red wine after dinner with my husband...in my own home.....people make going out to drink a social occasion...lets all go to the bar and drink till we are sick...

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    Greetings,
    format_quote Originally Posted by chosen View Post
    It is sad..and the truth is there is only a select few that are making craploads of money from these industries..
    I don't have figures to hand, but surely there are loads of people in the alcohol industry, making their living off it?

    booze production..opium..pot..synthetic drugs..what the world as a whole needs to do is hold these people responsible for the distruction their products cause.
    It'd be very difficult to get that to work, as history has shown. Full legalisation and government control is the only solution that hasn't been tried.

    Peace

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    Re: America - nation in Sea of Booze

    format_quote Originally Posted by chosen View Post
    the bible does not say drinking is a sin...
    Drinking was allowed at the time of the prophet (saw) until Allah revealed the verse i quoted above.


    [Whatsthepoint
    There's nothing wrong with moderate consumption of wine (and other alchoholic beverages). It's supposed to be beneficial, actually.

    Wine can be an art.]


    ^ yes, Allah confirmed that by saying:

    "In both of them there is a great wrong and a means of (some) profit for men; but their sin is greater than their profit.’”

    Notice He(Allah) said that there is some profit/benefit but the sin outweighs it. Can you honestly say that drinkers benefit more from drinking or rather more harm comes from it?
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    Re: America - nation in Sea of Booze

    Drinking was forbidden in Islam for many reasons.
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    True knowledge is not mention in relation to how much you memorise and then nerrate, but rather, true knowledge is an expression of piety ( Protecting oneself from what Allah(awj) prohibited and acting upon what he mandated.)

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