× Register Login What's New! Contact us
Page 2 of 3 First 1 2 3 Last
Results 21 to 40 of 54 visibility 4772

Bush: Pathological liar or idiot-in-chief?

  1. #1
    brightness_1
    Account Disabled
    Array islamirama's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Gender
    Male
    Religion
    Islam
    Posts
    4,194
    Threads
    723
    Reputation
    18131
    Rep Power
    0
    Rep Ratio
    44
    Likes Ratio
    6

    Bush: Pathological liar or idiot-in-chief? (OP)


    Bush: Pathological liar or idiot-in-chief?

    Olbermann: We have either a president who is too dishonest to restrain himself from invoking World War III about Iran at least six weeks after he had to have known that the analogy would be fantastic, irresponsible hyperbole, or we have a president too transcendently stupid not to have asked, at what now appears to have been a series of opportunities to do so, whether the fairy tales he either created or was fed were still even remotely plausible.

    We have lived as if in a trance. We have lived as people in fear. And now our rights and our freedoms in peril we slowly awaken to learn that we have been afraid of the wrong thing.

    Therefore, tonight have we truly become the inheritors of our American legacy.

    For, on this first full day that the Military Commissions Act is in force, we now face what our ancestors faced, at other times of exaggerated crisis and melodramatic fear-mongering:

    A government more dangerous to our liberty, than is the enemy it claims to protect us from.

    We have been here before
    and we have been here before, led here by men better and wiser and nobler than George W. Bush.

    We have been here when President John Adams insisted that the Alien and Sedition Acts were necessary to save American lives, only to watch him use those acts to jail newspaper editors.

    American newspaper editors, in American jails, for things they wrote about America.

    We have been here when President Woodrow Wilson insisted that the Espionage Act was necessary to save American lives, only to watch him use that Act to prosecute 2,000 Americans, especially those he disparaged as "Hyphenated Americans," most of whom were guilty only of advocating peace in a time of war.

    American public speakers, in American jails, for things they said about America.

    And we have been here when President Franklin D. Roosevelt insisted that Executive Order 9066 was necessary to save American lives, only to watch him use that order to imprison and pauperize 110,000 Americans while his man in charge, General DeWitt, told Congress: "It makes no difference whether he is an American citizen
    he is still a Japanese."

    American citizens, in American camps, for something they neither wrote nor said nor did, but for the choices they or their ancestors had made about coming to America.

    Each of these actions was undertaken for the most vital, the most urgent, the most inescapable of reasons.

    And each was a betrayal of that for which the president who advocated them claimed to be fighting.

    Adams and his party were swept from office, and the Alien and Sedition Acts erased.

    Many of the very people Wilson silenced survived him, and one of them even ran to succeed him, and got 900,000 votes, though his presidential campaign was conducted entirely from his jail cell.

    And Roosevelt's internment of the Japanese was not merely the worst blight on his record, but it would necessitate a formal apology from the government of the United States to the citizens of the United States whose lives it ruined.

    The most vital, the most urgent, the most inescapable of reasons.

    In times of fright, we have been only human.

    We have let Roosevelt's "fear of fear itself" overtake us.

    We have listened to the little voice inside that has said, "the wolf is at the door; this will be temporary; this will be precise; this too shall pass."

    We have accepted that the only way to stop the terrorists is to let the government become just a little bit like the terrorists.

    Just the way we once accepted that the only way to stop the Soviets was to let the government become just a little bit like the Soviets.

    Or substitute the Japanese. Or the Germans. Or the Socialists. Or the Anarchists. Or the Immigrants. Or the British. Or the Aliens.

    The most vital, the most urgent, the most inescapable of reasons.

    And, always, always wrong.

    "With the distance of history, the questions will be narrowed and few: Did this generation of Americans take the threat seriously, and did we do what it takes to defeat that threat?"

    Wise words.

    And ironic ones, Mr. Bush.

    Your own, of course, yesterday, in signing the Military Commissions Act.

    You spoke so much more than you know, Sir.

    Sadly
    of coursethe distance of history will recognize that the threat this generation of Americans needed to take seriously was you.

    We have a long and painful history of ignoring the prophecy attributed to Benjamin Franklin that "those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

    But even within this history we have not before codified the poisoning of habeas corpus, that wellspring of protection from which all essential liberties flow.

    You, sir, have now befouled that spring.

    You, sir, have now given us chaos and called it order.

    You, sir, have now imposed subjugation and called it freedom.

    For the most vital, the most urgent, the most inescapable of reasons.

    And
    again, Mr. Bush all of them, wrong.

    We have handed a blank check drawn against our freedom to a man who has said it is unacceptable to compare anything this country has ever done to anything the terrorists have ever done.

    We have handed a blank check drawn against our freedom to a man who has insisted again that "the United States does not torture. It's against our laws and it's against our values" and who has said it with a straight face while the pictures from Abu Ghraib Prison and the stories of Waterboarding figuratively fade in and out, around him.

    We have handed a blank check drawn against our freedom to a man who may now, if he so decides, declare not merely any non-American citizens "unlawful enemy combatants" and ship them somewhere
    anywhere -- but may now, if he so decides, declare you an "unlawful enemy combatant" and ship you somewhere - anywhere.

    And if you think this hyperbole or hysteria, ask the newspaper editors when John Adams was president or the pacifists when Woodrow Wilson was president or the Japanese at Manzanar when Franklin Roosevelt was president.

    And if you somehow think habeas corpus has not been suspended for American citizens but only for everybody else, ask yourself this: If you are pulled off the street tomorrow, and they call you an alien or an undocumented immigrant or an "unlawful enemy combatant"
    exactly how are you going to convince them to give you a court hearing to prove you are not? Do you think this attorney general is going to help you?

    This President now has his blank check.

    He lied to get it.

    He lied as he received it.

    Is there any reason to even hope he has not lied about how he intends to use it nor who he intends to use it against?

    "These military commissions will provide a fair trial," you told us yesterday, Mr. Bush, "in which the accused are presumed innocent, have access to an attorney and can hear all the evidence against them."

    "Presumed innocent," Mr. Bush?

    The very piece of paper you signed as you said that, allows for the detainees to be abused up to the point just before they sustain "serious mental and physical trauma" in the hope of getting them to incriminate themselves, and may no longer even invoke The Geneva Conventions in their own defense.

    "Access to an attorney," Mr. Bush?

    Lieutenant Commander Charles Swift said on this program, Sir, and to the Supreme Court, that he was only granted access to his detainee defendant on the promise that the detainee would plead guilty.

    "Hearing all the evidence," Mr. Bush?

    The Military Commissions Act specifically permits the introduction of classified evidence not made available to the defense.

    Your words are lies, Sir.

    They are lies that imperil us all.

    "One of the terrorists believed to have planned the 9/11 attacks," you told us yesterday, "said he hoped the attacks would be the beginning of the end of America."

    That terrorist, sir, could only hope.

    Not his actions, nor the actions of a ceaseless line of terrorists (real or imagined), could measure up to what you have wrought.

    Habeas corpus? Gone.

    The Geneva Conventions? Optional.

    The moral force we shined outwards to the world as an eternal beacon, and inwards at ourselves as an eternal protection? Snuffed out.

    These things you have done, Mr. Bush, they would be "the beginning of the end of America."

    And did it even occur to you once, sir
    somewhere in amidst those eight separate, gruesome, intentional, terroristic invocations of the horrors of 9/11 -- that with only a little further shift in this world we now know just a touch more repudiation of all of that for which our patriots died --- did it ever occur to you once that in just 27 months and two days from now when you leave office, some irresponsible future president and a "competent tribunal" of lackeys would be entitled, by the actions of your own hand, to declare the status of "unlawful enemy combatant" for -- and convene a Military Commission to try -- not John Walker Lindh, but George Walker Bush?

    For the most vital, the most urgent, the most inescapable of reasons.

    And doubtless, Sir, all of them
    as always wrong.

    © 2008 MSNBC Interactive




    -------------



    Olbermann: On waterboarding and torture
    Olbermann to Bush: 'Your hypocrisy is so vast'
    Bush just playing us with 'troop withdrawal'
    Comment: Go to Iraq and fight, Mr. President
    Olbermann: All hail the prophetic gut!
    Olbermann: Bush, Cheney should resign

    ------------

    Olbermann: 'Beginning of the end of America' Olbermann addresses the Military Commissions Act in a special comment
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15321167/





  2. #21
    MartyrX's Avatar Full Member
    brightness_1
    IB Senior Member
    star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Iowa
    Gender
    Male
    Religion
    Islam
    Posts
    534
    Threads
    21
    Rep Power
    103
    Rep Ratio
    29
    Likes Ratio
    8

    Re: Bush: Pathological liar or idiot-in-chief?

    Report bad ads?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Cognescenti View Post
    Wouldn't his "rich friends" already be rich? You guys are a bunch of bobble-heads. Yup, yup, Haliburton, yup, yup, rich, rich, yup.....

    Would those in the "idiot" camp say the same about Kerry, who had lower SAT and officer candidate scores than Bush?

    The number of throbbing cerebrums around here just dripping with the fixings for future Nobel Prizes is remarkable.
    We're not talking about Kerry but Bush. Also making personal attacks proves how futile your argument is.
    Last edited by MartyrX; 01-23-2008 at 10:54 PM. Reason: incorrect grammar

  3. Report bad ads?
  4. #22
    minaz's Avatar Full Member
    brightness_1
    rep points mean nothin
    star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    Leicester
    Gender
    Male
    Religion
    Islam
    Posts
    1,216
    Threads
    17
    Rep Power
    120
    Rep Ratio
    18
    Likes Ratio
    1

    Re: Bush: Pathological liar or idiot-in-chief?

    I doubt Bush will ever receive a Nobel Prize- unless it was a spoof one :P

  5. #23
    AvarAllahNoor's Avatar Full Member
    brightness_1
    IB Oldtimer
    star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Gender
    Male
    Religion
    Sikhism
    Posts
    3,170
    Threads
    73
    Rep Power
    117
    Rep Ratio
    19
    Likes Ratio
    0

    Re: Bush: Pathological liar or idiot-in-chief?

    format_quote Originally Posted by snakelegs View Post
    Well, you know he called ariel sharon a "man of peace" - maybe he'll be next!
    To be fair, Ariel Sharon, did try to do some good. He did embark on a course of unilateral withdrawal from the Gaza Strip. Even though, it has been greeted with opposition from within his own Likud party. Sadly he's in a coma now. I sense some foul play by Likud party....
    Bush: Pathological liar or idiot-in-chief?

    Ėk Gusā Alhu Mėrā
    The One Lord, the Lord of the World, is my God Allah.

    Dhan Guru Arjan Dev Mahraaj Ji!

    Kal Meh Bėḏ Atharbaṇ Hū Nā Kẖuḏā Alhu Bẖa.
    In the Dark Age of Kali Yuga, the Atharva Veda became prominent; Allah became the Name of God.

    Dhan Guru Nanak Dev Mahraaj Ji!

  6. #24
    minaz's Avatar Full Member
    brightness_1
    rep points mean nothin
    star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    Leicester
    Gender
    Male
    Religion
    Islam
    Posts
    1,216
    Threads
    17
    Rep Power
    120
    Rep Ratio
    18
    Likes Ratio
    1

    Re: Bush: Pathological liar or idiot-in-chief?

    ^
    As JT would say "What goes around, goes around, goes around, comes all the way back around...I thought I told ya, hey" :P

  7. Report bad ads?
  8. #25
    snakelegs's Avatar Full Member
    brightness_1
    IB Oldskool
    star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    California
    Religion
    Unspecified
    Posts
    5,742
    Threads
    110
    Rep Power
    133
    Rep Ratio
    51
    Likes Ratio
    1

    Re: Bush: Pathological liar or idiot-in-chief?

    format_quote Originally Posted by AvarAllahNoor View Post
    To be fair, Ariel Sharon, did try to do some good. He did embark on a course of unilateral withdrawal from the Gaza Strip. Even though, it has been greeted with opposition from within his own Likud party. Sadly he's in a coma now. I sense some foul play by Likud party....
    he is permanently linked to sabra and shatilla in my mind and i can't seem to go beyond that.
    he did his own share of foul play when he set off the "2nd intifada" but that would be going tooo far off topic, i guess.
    Bush: Pathological liar or idiot-in-chief?

    each man thinks of his own fleas as gazelles
    question authority
    image06 1 - Bush: Pathological liar or idiot-in-chief?

  9. #26
    جوري's Avatar Full Member
    brightness_1
    Soldier Through It!
    star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    من ارض الكنانة
    Gender
    Female
    Religion
    Islam
    Posts
    27,759
    Threads
    1260
    Rep Power
    261
    Rep Ratio
    89
    Likes Ratio
    23

    Re: Bush: Pathological liar or idiot-in-chief?

    format_quote Originally Posted by JeffX View Post
    We're not talking about Kerry but Bush. Also making personal attacks proves how futile your argument is.
    Making personal attacks is 90% of his 'charm' and/or his reasoning.. I don't see hope for much else...


    Bush: Pathological liar or idiot-in-chief?

    Text without context is pretext
    If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him 44845203 1 - Bush: Pathological liar or idiot-in-chief?


  10. #27
    snakelegs's Avatar Full Member
    brightness_1
    IB Oldskool
    star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    California
    Religion
    Unspecified
    Posts
    5,742
    Threads
    110
    Rep Power
    133
    Rep Ratio
    51
    Likes Ratio
    1

    Re: Bush: Pathological liar or idiot-in-chief?

    format_quote Originally Posted by PurestAmbrosia View Post
    Making personal attacks is 90% of his 'charm' and/or his reasoning.. I don't see hope for much else...


    oh, i dunno - i rather enjoy being a bobble-head!
    Bush: Pathological liar or idiot-in-chief?

    each man thinks of his own fleas as gazelles
    question authority
    image06 1 - Bush: Pathological liar or idiot-in-chief?

  11. #28
    AvarAllahNoor's Avatar Full Member
    brightness_1
    IB Oldtimer
    star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Gender
    Male
    Religion
    Sikhism
    Posts
    3,170
    Threads
    73
    Rep Power
    117
    Rep Ratio
    19
    Likes Ratio
    0

    Re: Bush: Pathological liar or idiot-in-chief?

    *Puts on metal helmet*

    Is it safe to enter...?
    Bush: Pathological liar or idiot-in-chief?

    Ėk Gusā Alhu Mėrā
    The One Lord, the Lord of the World, is my God Allah.

    Dhan Guru Arjan Dev Mahraaj Ji!

    Kal Meh Bėḏ Atharbaṇ Hū Nā Kẖuḏā Alhu Bẖa.
    In the Dark Age of Kali Yuga, the Atharva Veda became prominent; Allah became the Name of God.

    Dhan Guru Nanak Dev Mahraaj Ji!

  12. #29
    Cognescenti's Avatar
    brightness_1
    Account Disabled
    star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Religion
    Unspecified
    Posts
    1,308
    Threads
    2
    Rep Power
    0
    Rep Ratio
    16
    Likes Ratio
    0

    Re: Bush: Pathological liar or idiot-in-chief?

    format_quote Originally Posted by JeffX View Post
    The language in the bill covering this is rather vague plus with the fact that according to the Powers that be the enemy could be right here they could easily hold you as they already have many times with the powers that this act has given them.
    There you go again with the paranoia thing.

    I showed you verbatim language from the Act which clearly says:

    "Any alien unlawful enemy combatant is subject to trial by military commission under chapter 47A – Military Commissions (of the Military Commissions Act of 2006 (10 U.S.C. 948a (Section 1, Subchapter I)))."

    If you are going to claim something that contravenes what seems to be written in plain English above, then you will have to show me the language in the Act which is at odds with the above, not some indirect reference to what "might" happen if Martians attack during a blizzard in July.

  13. Report bad ads?
  14. #30
    AvarAllahNoor's Avatar Full Member
    brightness_1
    IB Oldtimer
    star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Gender
    Male
    Religion
    Sikhism
    Posts
    3,170
    Threads
    73
    Rep Power
    117
    Rep Ratio
    19
    Likes Ratio
    0

    Re: Bush: Pathological liar or idiot-in-chief?

    format_quote Originally Posted by snakelegs View Post
    He is permanently linked to sabra and shatilla in my mind and i can't seem to go beyond that.

    He did his own share of foul play when he set off the "2nd intifada" but that would be going tooo far off topic, i guess.
    I'm not in the know about this. So I'll reserve judgement.
    Last edited by AvarAllahNoor; 01-23-2008 at 11:23 PM.
    Bush: Pathological liar or idiot-in-chief?

    Ėk Gusā Alhu Mėrā
    The One Lord, the Lord of the World, is my God Allah.

    Dhan Guru Arjan Dev Mahraaj Ji!

    Kal Meh Bėḏ Atharbaṇ Hū Nā Kẖuḏā Alhu Bẖa.
    In the Dark Age of Kali Yuga, the Atharva Veda became prominent; Allah became the Name of God.

    Dhan Guru Nanak Dev Mahraaj Ji!

  15. #31
    MartyrX's Avatar Full Member
    brightness_1
    IB Senior Member
    star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Iowa
    Gender
    Male
    Religion
    Islam
    Posts
    534
    Threads
    21
    Rep Power
    103
    Rep Ratio
    29
    Likes Ratio
    8

    Re: Bush: Pathological liar or idiot-in-chief?

    a person who has engaged in hostilities or who
    has purposefully and materially supported hostilities
    against the United States or its co-belligerents who is
    not a lawful enemy combatant (including a person who
    is part of the Taliban, al Qaeda, or associated forces);
    or
    ‘‘(ii) a person who, before, on, or after the date of
    the enactment of the Military Commissions Act of 2006,
    has been determined to be an unlawful enemy combatant
    by a Combatant Status Review Tribunal or another com-
    petent tribunal established under the authority of the
    President or the Secretary of Defense.

    This is straight from the act.

  16. #32
    Cognescenti's Avatar
    brightness_1
    Account Disabled
    star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Religion
    Unspecified
    Posts
    1,308
    Threads
    2
    Rep Power
    0
    Rep Ratio
    16
    Likes Ratio
    0

    Re: Bush: Pathological liar or idiot-in-chief?

    format_quote Originally Posted by JeffX View Post
    a person who has engaged in hostilities or who
    has purposefully and materially supported hostilities
    against the United States or its co-belligerents who is
    not a lawful enemy combatant (including a person who
    is part of the Taliban, al Qaeda, or associated forces);
    or
    ‘‘(ii) a person who, before, on, or after the date of
    the enactment of the Military Commissions Act of 2006,
    has been determined to be an unlawful enemy combatant
    by a Combatant Status Review Tribunal or another com-
    petent tribunal established under the authority of the
    President or the Secretary of Defense.

    This is straight from the act.
    As I believe you to be an honorable man, I will stipulate that is language from the act, but you still need to link to your claim (and apparently of sportscasters) of the suspension of habeus corpus for US citizens.

    What is the context? You started in the middle of a paragraph.

    It seems to me the Hamdan case pretty much undercuts your claim.

  17. #33
    MartyrX's Avatar Full Member
    brightness_1
    IB Senior Member
    star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Iowa
    Gender
    Male
    Religion
    Islam
    Posts
    534
    Threads
    21
    Rep Power
    103
    Rep Ratio
    29
    Likes Ratio
    8

    Re: Bush: Pathological liar or idiot-in-chief?

    frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=109_cong_bills&docid=f:s3930enr. txt.pd

    Here's the whole act that you can download and read. It's the paragraph that talks about Enemy Combatants.

  18. #34
    minaz's Avatar Full Member
    brightness_1
    rep points mean nothin
    star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    Leicester
    Gender
    Male
    Religion
    Islam
    Posts
    1,216
    Threads
    17
    Rep Power
    120
    Rep Ratio
    18
    Likes Ratio
    1

    Re: Bush: Pathological liar or idiot-in-chief?

    ***Subscribers of the thread all wait patiently for Cognescenti's reply***
    :P

  19. Report bad ads?
  20. #35
    snakelegs's Avatar Full Member
    brightness_1
    IB Oldskool
    star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    California
    Religion
    Unspecified
    Posts
    5,742
    Threads
    110
    Rep Power
    133
    Rep Ratio
    51
    Likes Ratio
    1

    Re: Bush: Pathological liar or idiot-in-chief?

    format_quote Originally Posted by JeffX View Post
    frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=109_cong_bills&docid=f:s3930enr. txt.pd

    Here's the whole act that you can download and read. It's the paragraph that talks about Enemy Combatants.
    "error!

    No Such Document
    docid-> s3930enr.%20txt.pdIPaddress-> 162.140.64.184dbname-> 109_cong_bills"
    Bush: Pathological liar or idiot-in-chief?

    each man thinks of his own fleas as gazelles
    question authority
    image06 1 - Bush: Pathological liar or idiot-in-chief?

  21. #36
    InToTheRain's Avatar
    brightness_1
    it's all about LOVE!
    star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    London
    Gender
    Male
    Religion
    Islam
    Posts
    1,180
    Threads
    115
    Rep Power
    117
    Rep Ratio
    100
    Likes Ratio
    16

    Re: Bush: Pathological liar or idiot-in-chief?

    format_quote Originally Posted by snakelegs View Post
    "error!

    No Such Document
    docid-> s3930enr.%20txt.pdIPaddress-> 162.140.64.184dbname-> 109_cong_bills"
    http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-...enr.%20txt.pdf

    There ya go ^
    Bush: Pathological liar or idiot-in-chief?

    Ward the Pirate - Muslim Warrior of the Sea
    "Go tell the King of England, go tell him this from me,
    If he reign king of all the land, I will reign king at sea."

    The Great Dive
    Shaikh Abdul Hakim Murad aka Dr Tim Winters
    Bs53AicCAAACVpFsmall - Bush: Pathological liar or idiot-in-chief?

  22. #37
    snakelegs's Avatar Full Member
    brightness_1
    IB Oldskool
    star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    California
    Religion
    Unspecified
    Posts
    5,742
    Threads
    110
    Rep Power
    133
    Rep Ratio
    51
    Likes Ratio
    1

    Re: Bush: Pathological liar or idiot-in-chief?

    thanks!
    Bush: Pathological liar or idiot-in-chief?

    each man thinks of his own fleas as gazelles
    question authority
    image06 1 - Bush: Pathological liar or idiot-in-chief?

  23. #38
    MartyrX's Avatar Full Member
    brightness_1
    IB Senior Member
    star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Iowa
    Gender
    Male
    Religion
    Islam
    Posts
    534
    Threads
    21
    Rep Power
    103
    Rep Ratio
    29
    Likes Ratio
    8

    Re: Bush: Pathological liar or idiot-in-chief?

    format_quote Originally Posted by snakelegs View Post
    "error!

    No Such Document
    docid-> s3930enr.%20txt.pdIPaddress-> 162.140.64.184dbname-> 109_cong_bills"
    Well all you need to do is type in military commission act in google and it's the second link. Sorry about the link.

  24. #39
    MartyrX's Avatar Full Member
    brightness_1
    IB Senior Member
    star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Iowa
    Gender
    Male
    Religion
    Islam
    Posts
    534
    Threads
    21
    Rep Power
    103
    Rep Ratio
    29
    Likes Ratio
    8

    Re: Bush: Pathological liar or idiot-in-chief?

    format_quote Originally Posted by Z.AL-Rashid View Post
    Thanks!

  25. Report bad ads?
  26. #40
    Cognescenti's Avatar
    brightness_1
    Account Disabled
    star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate star_rate
    Join Date
    Jan 2007
    Religion
    Unspecified
    Posts
    1,308
    Threads
    2
    Rep Power
    0
    Rep Ratio
    16
    Likes Ratio
    0

    Re: Bush: Pathological liar or idiot-in-chief?

    format_quote Originally Posted by JeffX View Post
    a person who has engaged in hostilities or who
    has purposefully and materially supported hostilities
    against the United States or its co-belligerents who is
    not a lawful enemy combatant (including a person who
    is part of the Taliban, al Qaeda, or associated forces);
    or
    ‘‘(ii) a person who, before, on, or after the date of
    the enactment of the Military Commissions Act of 2006,
    has been determined to be an unlawful enemy combatant
    by a Combatant Status Review Tribunal or another com-
    petent tribunal established under the authority of the
    President or the Secretary of Defense.

    This is straight from the act.
    It is straight from the act. In fact it is also straight from my previous post on page 1 of the thread

    "Any alien unlawful enemy combatant is subject to trial by military commission under chapter 47A – Military Commissions (of the Military Commissions Act of 2006 (10 U.S.C. 948a (Section 1, Subchapter I)))."
    The definition of unlawful and lawful enemy combatant is given in Chapter 47A—Military commission: Subchapter I--General provisions: Sec. 948a. Definitions

    "The term 'unlawful enemy combatant' means —
    (i) a person who has engaged in hostilities or who has purposefully and materially supported hostilities against the United States or its co-belligerents who is not a lawful enemy combatant (including a person who is part of the Taliban, al-Qaida, or associated forces); or
    (ii) a person who, before, on, or after the date of the enactment of the Military Commissions Act of 2006, has been determined to be an unlawful enemy combatant by a Combatant Status Review Tribunal or another competent tribunal established under the authority of the President or the Secretary of Defense."
    ...
    "The term 'lawful enemy combatant' means a person who is —
    (A) a member of the regular forces of a State party engaged in hostilities against the United States;
    (B) a member of a militia, volunteer corps, or organized resistance movement belonging to a State party engaged in such hostilities, which are under responsible command, wear a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance, carry their arms openly, and abide by the law of war; or
    (C) a member of a regular armed force who professes allegiance to a government engaged in such hostilities, but not recognized by the United States."
    "

    I would agree the definition of "unlawful enemy combatant" is somewhat broad...but again...the law clearly states that the measures only apply to alien unlawful enemy combatants.

    If one is not a US citizen and desires to ship RPG's to hamas...then...well...one would be imprudent to do it within reach of US authorities. Important safety tip.

    If one is a US citizen and desires to ship RPG's to hamas...then...you might still have the government of the US on your tail but this law does not grant them permission to waive your habeus corpusrights.

    Bush claimed the powers you fear at the start of the war on the plausible argument that it was intrinsic to his powers as CIC in time of war. He lost that argument (narrowly) in the SCOTUS (and in the Hamdan case, for eg.).

    What did he do? Did he order the assassination of some of the problematic justices? No. Did he put tanks around the Supreme Court building? No. Did he try to expand the Supreme Court and pack it with his picks like FDR tried? No.

    What did he do? He acceeded to the will of the SCOTUS and asked the Congress for a law to clarify....and he put Padilla (a US citizen) on trial in a civil court.

    This act restricts Presidential power, it doesn't grant new powers.

    Here is my suggestion. Next time somebody says "they are out to get us...come up front and let's drink the Koolaide together"....don't do it.


  27. Hide
Page 2 of 3 First 1 2 3 Last
Hey there! Bush: Pathological liar or idiot-in-chief? Looks like you're enjoying the discussion, but you're not signed up for an account.

When you create an account, we remember exactly what you've read, so you always come right back where you left off. You also get notifications, here and via email, whenever new posts are made. And you can like posts and share your thoughts. Bush: Pathological liar or idiot-in-chief?
Sign Up

Similar Threads

  1. Pathological crying and laughing
    By GuestFellow in forum Health & Science
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 06-02-2013, 08:56 PM
  2. Afghanistan: When war turns pathological, get out
    By ~Zaria~ in forum World Affairs
    Replies: 7
    Last Post: 03-16-2012, 07:25 PM
  3. Punishment of a Liar
    By meriam in forum General
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 07-29-2007, 12:07 PM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
create