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    i'm going to travel more than 50 miles to stay in a uni for a week with a female muslim friend. is this islamically correct? there will be seperate rooms for every student.
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    Well if your seperate whats the problem?

    She can't travel alone also,

    relative of yours?

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    No u cant travel with ur non mahram i.e sit next to eachother chit chat

    How are you travelling?

    I doubt it matters if she comes with you but sits at the other end of the train or sutin



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    i am female going with another female friend so it this wrong?
    i heard that it is not permitted 2 travel more than 40 miles but i need confirmation so that i can cancel my plans pleeeeeeeeeees help
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    Oh my bad! $ (wheres your gender woman?)

    Apologies!,

    I can't see anything wrong with that,


    People why can't you travel that distance?????? Anyone???
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    Salamualikum...from what i know...if a female is going furthur than 41miles she NEEDS to travel with a male mahram...father/brother etc i think its for her own saftey aswell.

    But i have aread a hadith which Rasullaha (SAW) said, this was during the time of the mission of Al Qullus, where later rasullah mentioned '....you would be able to see a woman riding a camel travel from Hirah until it circumblates Al Ka'bah fearing non but Allah...' i dunno if that means its okay for women to travel alone or if its showing the safety of the muslim countries...since i cnt give fatwa this hadith to some may seem contradictory...but nwy i advice u to go to an Alim or ur imaan and ask him...?

    personally i wud NEVER be allowed to go anywhere and stay over with a female friend...my family...er brothers alone will forbid me..they go islamically things like that are not correct...but dunno specifically...
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    sis!!! im going to research for you and post! make sure you read it OK!
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    Question:
    Assalam O Alikium My mother is planning to go to ummrah inshallah. But she needs a mairram and her husband nor her brothers are able to go. We have asked an alm he said she can go with her brother in-law which is also her first cousin. As long as his wife is there which she will be cause she's going too. Is this permissable in Islam because I still have my doubts. Jazak allah ho karun.

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    Praise be to Allaah.

    One of the ways in which Islam protects women is that it requires a woman to travel with a mahram, to protect her from those who have bad intentions and to help her, because of her weakness, in facing the arduous trials of travelling.

    A woman is not permitted to travel without a mahram because of the hadeeth narrated by Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him), who reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “A woman should absolutely not travel unless she has a mahram with her.” A man stood up and said, “O Messenger of Allaah, I have enlisted in such-and-such a military campaign, and my wife has set out for Hajj.” He said, “Go and do Hajj with your wife.”
    (al-Bukhaari, al-Fath, 3006).


    What indicates that a mahram is obligatory is the fact that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) commanded this man to give up the idea of jihaad (on this occasion), even though he had enlisted for a campaign and his wife was travelling for the purpose of worship, not for some frivolous or suspicious reason. In spite of all this, he told him to go and do Hajj with his wife.

    The ulamaa’ have listed five conditions for a person to be considered a mahram. He should be male, Muslim, adult, and of sound mind, and he should be a relative to whom marriage is permanently forbidden, such as a father, brother, paternal uncle, maternal uncle, father in law, mother’s husband or brother through radaa’ah (breastfeeding), etc. (as opposed to relatives to whom marriage is temporarily forbidden, such as a sister’s husband, paternal aunt’s husband, maternal aunt’s husband).

    On this basis, the husband’s brother and the son of a paternal or maternal uncle are not mahrams, so it is not permitted for her to travel with them. And Allaah knows best.

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    format_quote Originally Posted by IbnAbdulHakim View Post


    Question:
    Assalam O Alikium My mother is planning to go to ummrah inshallah. But she needs a mairram and her husband nor her brothers are able to go. We have asked an alm he said she can go with her brother in-law which is also her first cousin. As long as his wife is there which she will be cause she's going too. Is this permissable in Islam because I still have my doubts. Jazak allah ho karun.

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    Praise be to Allaah.

    One of the ways in which Islam protects women is that it requires a woman to travel with a mahram, to protect her from those who have bad intentions and to help her, because of her weakness, in facing the arduous trials of travelling.

    A woman is not permitted to travel without a mahram because of the hadeeth narrated by Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him), who reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “A woman should absolutely not travel unless she has a mahram with her.” A man stood up and said, “O Messenger of Allaah, I have enlisted in such-and-such a military campaign, and my wife has set out for Hajj.” He said, “Go and do Hajj with your wife.”
    (al-Bukhaari, al-Fath, 3006).


    What indicates that a mahram is obligatory is the fact that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) commanded this man to give up the idea of jihaad (on this occasion), even though he had enlisted for a campaign and his wife was travelling for the purpose of worship, not for some frivolous or suspicious reason. In spite of all this, he told him to go and do Hajj with his wife.

    The ulamaa’ have listed five conditions for a person to be considered a mahram. He should be male, Muslim, adult, and of sound mind, and he should be a relative to whom marriage is permanently forbidden, such as a father, brother, paternal uncle, maternal uncle, father in law, mother’s husband or brother through radaa’ah (breastfeeding), etc. (as opposed to relatives to whom marriage is temporarily forbidden, such as a sister’s husband, paternal aunt’s husband, maternal aunt’s husband).

    On this basis, the husband’s brother and the son of a paternal or maternal uncle are not mahrams, so it is not permitted for her to travel with them. And Allaah knows best.

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    jazakallah brother i guess i shudnt be goin! just hav to let my friend know she wont be please! Allah (swt) knows best!
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    May Allaah ease your situation sister:


    The Messenger of Allaah (peace be upon him) said:

    'If anyone seeks the pleasure of people at the expense of the wrath of Allah, Allah will entrust him to them until the one who praised him becomes his critic. If anyone seeks the pleasure of Allah at the expense of people, Allah will be enough for him against them.'" i think its narrated in Ibn Hibban.
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    I hope I'm not too late, but you should check up the max. distance you are allowed to go on your own before you cancel anything.
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    Re: need quick replies!

    format_quote Originally Posted by ya_Giney View Post
    jazakallah brother i guess i shudnt be goin! just hav to let my friend know she wont be please! Allah (swt) knows best!


    Masha'Allah sis n i hope ur friend understands lol


    format_quote Originally Posted by Fi_Sabilillah View Post




    The Messenger of Allaah (peace be upon him) said:

    'If anyone seeks the pleasure of people at the expense of the wrath of Allah, Allah will entrust him to them until the one who praised him becomes his critic. If anyone seeks the pleasure of Allah at the expense of people, Allah will be enough for him against them.'" i think its narrated in Ibn Hibban.
    ^ SubhanAllah, thts an amazing Hadith
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    ok what if my brother drops me off and then picks me up but doesnt stay with me?
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    Re: need quick replies!

    format_quote Originally Posted by IbnAbdulHakim View Post


    Question:
    Assalam O Alikium My mother is planning to go to ummrah inshallah. But she needs a mairram and her husband nor her brothers are able to go. We have asked an alm he said she can go with her brother in-law which is also her first cousin. As long as his wife is there which she will be cause she's going too. Is this permissable in Islam because I still have my doubts. Jazak allah ho karun.

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    Praise be to Allaah.

    One of the ways in which Islam protects women is that it requires a woman to travel with a mahram, to protect her from those who have bad intentions and to help her, because of her weakness, in facing the arduous trials of travelling.

    A woman is not permitted to travel without a mahram because of the hadeeth narrated by Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him), who reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “A woman should absolutely not travel unless she has a mahram with her.” A man stood up and said, “O Messenger of Allaah, I have enlisted in such-and-such a military campaign, and my wife has set out for Hajj.” He said, “Go and do Hajj with your wife.”
    (al-Bukhaari, al-Fath, 3006).


    What indicates that a mahram is obligatory is the fact that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) commanded this man to give up the idea of jihaad (on this occasion), even though he had enlisted for a campaign and his wife was travelling for the purpose of worship, not for some frivolous or suspicious reason. In spite of all this, he told him to go and do Hajj with his wife.

    The ulamaa’ have listed five conditions for a person to be considered a mahram. He should be male, Muslim, adult, and of sound mind, and he should be a relative to whom marriage is permanently forbidden, such as a father, brother, paternal uncle, maternal uncle, father in law, mother’s husband or brother through radaa’ah (breastfeeding), etc. (as opposed to relatives to whom marriage is temporarily forbidden, such as a sister’s husband, paternal aunt’s husband, maternal aunt’s husband).

    On this basis, the husband’s brother and the son of a paternal or maternal uncle are not mahrams, so it is not permitted for her to travel with them. And Allaah knows best.

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    I think to be honest there are many more important things one should try to get right in their life before they worry so much about whether they travel alone.

    But besides that...for me i have no option but to travel alone everywhere since i am a revert, unmarried, i have no brothers, my father is a Christian, and all other male relatives i have barely seen since i was a kid (and they are also Christian).

    So I don't see a difference personally between travelling 43 miles alone and 4000 kilometres alone, if ur alone ur alone, and Allah is there for protection. I regard Him as my Wali.

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    Re: need quick replies!

    format_quote Originally Posted by IbnAbdulHakim View Post


    Question:
    Assalam O Alikium My mother is planning to go to ummrah inshallah. But she needs a mairram and her husband nor her brothers are able to go. We have asked an alm he said she can go with her brother in-law which is also her first cousin. As long as his wife is there which she will be cause she's going too. Is this permissable in Islam because I still have my doubts. Jazak allah ho karun.

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    Praise be to Allaah.

    One of the ways in which Islam protects women is that it requires a woman to travel with a mahram, to protect her from those who have bad intentions and to help her, because of her weakness, in facing the arduous trials of travelling.
    So a woman is perceived to be weak? Can somebody please expand on this so I can understand it a bit more Thanks
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    Re: Travelling without a Mahram

    Hey.


    I think it might be answered here:

    Question:

    Dear scholars, As-Salamu `alaykum. What are the rulings concerning the woman’s taking permission of the husband if she wants to leave the house and her traveling without a Mahram (husband or close male relative)? Jazakum Allah khayran.



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    Wa `alaykum As-Salamu wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuh.


    In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

    All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.

    Dear questioner, we would like to thank you for the great confidence you place in us, and we implore Allah Almighty to help us serve His cause and render our work for His sake.

    Islam cares for the dignity and honor of woman. Because of her weakness and vulnerability to being targeted by vile men, Islam is keen to close the doors to such situations by insisting that a woman should not travel long distances or stay away from home by herself unless she has taken adequate safeguards in order to ensure her own protection.


    Answering your question, the European Council for Fatwa and Research states:

    1. The ruling concerning the woman’s taking permission on leaving home:

    It is incumbent on the woman to inform her husband when she wants to go outside her home. However, the woman’s leaving her house to work, study or run errands for the home and the children does not require but a general consent on the part of the husband, and the wife does not have to ask permission every time. The matter is subject to common tradition. If the wife’s going out of the house is to visit a family not known to the husband, or if her going out entails staying overnight outside the house, the permission of the husband become necessary. If the husband refuses, the woman shall not go out. Muslim morality also requires that the husband should tell his wife if he wants to travel or stay overnight outside the house, for she has the right to know her husband’s whereabouts when he is absent from home.


    2. The ruling regarding a woman’s travel without a mahram

    This is primarily unlawful according to the hadith of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him): “A woman who believes in Allah and the Hereafter shall not travel for (a period of) a day and a night unless accompanied by a mahram of hers.” (Reported by al-Bukhari and Muslim)

    Depending on this general text, some scholars are of the opinion that a woman should not travel by herself. Other scholars stipulate that her travel is permissible in the company of a trustworthy group of men or men and women. The prohibition conveyed by the hadith is justified by fearing that the woman may be exposed to mischief or temptation if she travels alone, bearing in mind that the dangers of travel were numerous in the past. Caliph `Umar ibn al-Khattab (may Allah be pleased with him) allowed the Prophet’s wives (Mothers of the Believers) to travel for Hajj with a group of believers and sent with them `Uthman ibn `Affan and `Abdul-Rahman ibn `Auf.

    In the hadith of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) to `Adiy ibn Hatim we read: “If you live long, you will see the woman travel from Hirah (a city in Iraq) to circumambulate the Ka`bah fearing none but Allah.” (Reported by al-Bukhari)

    This confirms that the cause (of the prohibition) is fear (of insecurity). If security is guaranteed and fear is no more present, a woman may travel, particularly nowadays when travel has become easy, whether by air, train or coach. In all these means of transportation, company is available and security is realized for the Muslim woman.


    This is in respect of the woman’s travel from one town to another or from one country to another and her arrival on the same day of her travel, whereupon she finds company providing security. If the journey requires staying overnight in a hotel on the way, or the journey is intended to perform a certain task that requires residence for a certain period, the woman, in this case, is supposed primarily to travel with a mahram of hers, or reside for the required period with a Muslim family in that country to avoid the likelihood of temptation or mischief the woman may face.

    Finally, the Council urges parents to bring up their daughters and the husbands to educate their wives according to the guidance of Allah, for a Muslim woman will certainly follow the guidance of Allah steadfastly if she has received her due amount of education and instruction and has learned the rulings and rules of Shari`ah and has comprehended her religion.”

    Do keep in touch. If you have any other question, don't hesitate to write to us.

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    format_quote Originally Posted by AvarAllahNoor View Post
    So a woman is perceived to be weak? Can somebody please expand on this so I can understand it a bit more Thanks
    If the guys tell us this often enough we might start to believe it
    but i doubt it

    I travelled to Korea for a month alone, and I can tell you now I didn't need a man. (except for lifting suitcases ha ha ha that would have been nice)
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    format_quote Originally Posted by Medina83 View Post
    If the guys tell us this often enough we might start to believe it
    but i doubt it

    I travelled to Korea for a month alone, and I can tell you now I didn't need a man. (except for lifting suitcases ha ha ha that would have been nice)
    Well done sister.

    It gives the impression women are not able to defend themselves, which is ridiculous. I've seen some mean ladies....
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    Re: Travelling without a Mahram



    A lot of people perceive the position of women in Islam from a pessimistic viewpoint.

    Islam is very protective of it's women. Interestingly, some women take offence at this whereas others are thankful for it.

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