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    Does a world exist outside our brains ? (OP)


    S.A ,

    as I said in my first thread ,I want to keep sharing things I read about ,because some of them upset me and I would like to hear the opinion of the forum community here.
    What I will be writing about now is the topic that is cooking my brain the most.
    I am sure some of you have already read somewhere that we experience the world through our brains ,and what we see and feel only exists in our brains.
    That means we you look at a tree ,you merely see an imagine of the tree created by your brain through impulses received by your eyes and transmitted to the brain.It is like watching a movie
    on TV ,what you see in the TV is just an image created by electrical particles hitting on a special screen to create an image.

    Scientists say that it is a scientific fact that reality is inside our brains ,and quantum physicists go further by saying that it is our minds/consciousness that creates reality ,and some even claimed that
    if no one is looking at the moon ,it cannot be said that moon is existing.But Allah has clearly said in the Quran that he created the universe before anyone was there.So it means reality or the world exists outside our brains
    without anyone having to experience it.The world is not just made of images created in our brains ,experienced by our souls.It is there ,independent of any living being.
    There is even a person called Harun Yahya who has a website and several articles regarding this matter.One of his articles is called "Matter ,another name for illusion".In that article here quotes several Scientists talking about he issue.
    I have done further research and found out that he actually copied most of the article from another website and added words of the Quran to proof what we are reading is true.
    One of his strongest arguments is that if we were to look so deep inside an atom ,we would find that it is 99.99% empty space , which means the whole universe is 99.99% empty space or what he said "nothing".
    While there is no doubt that Allah can created the whole universe as we see it consisting of almost nothing ,I cant accept the fact that many well known scientists say that everything we see is nothing ,it is just an illusion.

    I know that what we humans know about the universe is almost close to nothing and that scientists develop theories ,and theories dont mean that what they say is true.
    They say what we actually see and experience is just a copy of our brains of what is outside our brains and we will never be able to know whats really there outside our brains.
    Some muslims might say yes this life is only a deception or illusion because the quran said that dont let this life fool you.But I dont think that what is meant by this is that everything around us is an illusion ,it just
    means that we humans think that we can life happy forever and that whatever we reach in material gains is the ultimate goal but we forget that this all is going to end one day.

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    format_quote Originally Posted by ardianto View Post
    When you see stars in the night sky, yes, you actually see light from the past because due to distance, the light from star need very long time before arrive to your eyes. But if you see an object near you, then you see the present because the light from this object arrive to your eyes instantly.

    Speed of sound is not as fast as speed of light, but sound will be weaken due to distance, like smells that will be faded due to distance. Meanwhile, you cannot touch an object that has gone in the past.
    You are wrong. Even objects close to us are in the past. Just because it takes less time for light to travel, doesn't mean it arrives "instantly".

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    format_quote Originally Posted by nocturnalman View Post
    can you explain a little bit more ?
    When you see stars at night, for example, the light you see has actually been travelling to us for many years. Therefore, you are actually seeing the star as it was in the past, but not really at this present moment.

    Same goes for everything around you. The light travels first into your eyes, which means by the time your eyes process the light the object is already in the past.
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    Re: Does a world exist outside our brains ?

    format_quote Originally Posted by nocturnalman View Post
    S.A ,

    as I said in my first thread ,I want to keep sharing things I read about ,because some of them upset me and I would like to hear the opinion of the forum community here.
    What I will be writing about now is the topic that is cooking my brain the most.
    I am sure some of you have already read somewhere that we experience the world through our brains ,and what we see and feel only exists in our brains.
    That means we you look at a tree ,you merely see an imagine of the tree created by your brain through impulses received by your eyes and transmitted to the brain.It is like watching a movie
    on TV ,what you see in the TV is just an image created by electrical particles hitting on a special screen to create an image.

    Scientists say that it is a scientific fact that reality is inside our brains ,and quantum physicists go further by saying that it is our minds/consciousness that creates reality ,and some even claimed that
    if no one is looking at the moon ,it cannot be said that moon is existing.But Allah has clearly said in the Quran that he created the universe before anyone was there.So it means reality or the world exists outside our brains
    without anyone having to experience it.The world is not just made of images created in our brains ,experienced by our souls.It is there ,independent of any living being.
    There is even a person called Harun Yahya who has a website and several articles regarding this matter.One of his articles is called "Matter ,another name for illusion".In that article here quotes several Scientists talking about he issue.
    I have done further research and found out that he actually copied most of the article from another website and added words of the Quran to proof what we are reading is true.
    One of his strongest arguments is that if we were to look so deep inside an atom ,we would find that it is 99.99% empty space , which means the whole universe is 99.99% empty space or what he said "nothing".
    While there is no doubt that Allah can created the whole universe as we see it consisting of almost nothing ,I cant accept the fact that many well known scientists say that everything we see is nothing ,it is just an illusion.

    I know that what we humans know about the universe is almost close to nothing and that scientists develop theories ,and theories dont mean that what they say is true.
    They say what we actually see and experience is just a copy of our brains of what is outside our brains and we will never be able to know whats really there outside our brains.
    Some muslims might say yes this life is only a deception or illusion because the quran said that dont let this life fool you.But I dont think that what is meant by this is that everything around us is an illusion ,it just
    means that we humans think that we can life happy forever and that whatever we reach in material gains is the ultimate goal but we forget that this all is going to end one day.
    I don't understand what you're trying to communicate? Isn't it already obvious that the human brain is an infinite storage unit for what we experience in life?
    Does a world exist outside our brains ?

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