How Do I Respond? Quran 7:80, question about the origins of homosexuality...

animals are also not monogamous so if they're taking animals as an example of what's natural, why do they ban polygamy and endorse homosexuality? if we're going to go all animal like then one of those acts is a futile cycle while the other perpetuates life!

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format_quote Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ

animals are also not monogamous so if they're taking animals as an example of what's natural, why do they ban polygamy and endorse homosexuality? if we're going to go all animal like then one of those acts is a futile cycle while the other perpetuates life!

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format_quote Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ

animals are also not monogamous so if they're taking animals as an example of what's natural, why do they ban polygamy and endorse homosexuality? if we're going to go all animal like then one of those acts is a futile cycle while the other perpetuates life!

But that's not what he was asking about. The problem he had with the verse is that it seems to be referring to all of creation (Al-Aalamiin) and so he says if it refers to all of creation, then it must refer to animals as well... and he says that in that case, it most likely isn't accurate because he says theres a good chance those animals that have homosexual tendencies now were still around thousands of years ago.

format_quote Originally Posted by anonymous

But that's not what he was asking about. The problem he had with the verse is that it seems to be referring to all of creation (Al-Aalamiin) and so he says if it refers to all of creation, then it must refer to animals as well... and he says that in that case, it most likely isn't accurate because he says theres a good chance those animals that have homosexual tendencies now were still around thousands of years ago.

he doesn't get to dictate Arabic to Arabic speakers! --the consensus is that الْعَالَمِينَ denotes mankind!.. animals at large are usually referred to in the Quran as الأنعام or دَابَّةٍ as in verse:
إِنَّ فِي خَلْقِ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ وَاخْتِلَافِ اللَّيْلِ وَالنَّهَارِ وَالْفُلْكِ الَّتِي تَجْرِي فِي الْبَحْرِ بِمَا يَنْفَعُ النَّاسَ وَمَا أَنْزَلَ اللَّهُ مِنَ السَّمَاءِ مِنْ مَاءٍ فَأَحْيَا بِهِ الْأَرْضَ بَعْدَ مَوْتِهَا وَبَثَّ فِيهَا مِنْ كُلِّ دَابَّةٍ وَتَصْرِيفِ الرِّيَاحِ وَالسَّحَابِ الْمُسَخَّرِ بَيْنَ السَّمَاءِ وَالْأَرْضِ لَآيَاتٍ لِقَوْمٍ يَعْقِلُونَ {164}
[Pickthal 2:164] Lo! In the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the difference of night and day, and the ships which run upon the sea with that which is of use to men, and the water which Allah sendeth down from the sky, thereby reviving the earth after its death, and dispersing all kinds of beasts therein, and (in) the ordinance of the winds, and the clouds obedient between heaven and earth: are signs (of Allah's Sovereignty) for people who have sense.

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إِنَّ شَرَّ الدَّوَابِّ عِنْدَ اللَّهِ الصُّمُّ الْبُكْمُ الَّذِينَ لَا يَعْقِلُونَ {22}
[Pickthal 8:22] Lo! the worst of beasts in Allah's sight are the deaf, the dumb, who have no sense.

plural in this verse.. so is it really your friend who is asking or is it you?

if we are to strictly to go by 'animal behavior' then let's adopt ALL animal behavior which would include polygamy. Research courtesy of atheists shows that men by their very nature aren't monogamous, so why is one animal act so applauded while the other is so appalling when one is clearly purely hedonistic and carnal while the other at least ensures survival of the specie?

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