Wanting to convert to Christianity (URGENT!)

May Allaah guide you to the truth, I think if you want to find peace in Islam the first thing you will have to do is READ. READ the Quran translation, build your tawheed why were you created? Who is Allah? Where is Allah?

From there start looking into whatever else you want to look into, but in order for you to be able to compare religions you will have to learn the basics about them. So give Islam a fair chance don't let the shaytan hasten you into making worshiping Allah a burden. Everything in this world worth doing is difficult, nothing is easy and attaining heaven fits into that category.

I apologise this post is long, but please read it all, as I've used some analogies to explain things in a different way and made some new points.

format_quote Originally Posted by StrivingforDeen

And also The Christian god is 3 in one. Like 3 egos, personalities whatever you want to call it. That is how I perceive it.

Does that make more sense to you, truly and deeply in your heart, rather than One God? A Christian cannot talk about One God, without mentioning the number three. It is not, in that case, truly a concept of One God. In Christianity 3 = 1. In Islam 1=1. The concept in Islam is so simple, clear, logical, makes sense, is easy to understand and grasp, and resonates with the heart and mind and soul. Now compare to God the father, who had to beget god the son, so that he could have god the son killed in a painful, slow and torturous bloody death to atone for mankinds sins. If you can have God the son then surely there must be God the daughter somewhere. And God the cousin. etc. And then he sent God the holy spirit to live in our bodies.

This is Allah:

One God. He alone should be worshipped. He is our Creator, Sustainer, and Lord.

He does not beget, nor is He begotten. He has no sons, daughters, spouses, siblings, parents, cousins, or relatives of any sort.

He is eternal and does not die. He does not depend on anyone/anything yet we all depend on Him. He is free of all want and need.

There is nothing like Him. He is all Hearing, all Seeing, all Knowing, all Powerful, Incomparable, the Creator of the Universe.

He did not/does not, become flesh, dwell in human or animal bodies, nor are there any incarnations of Him. He is not mixed up in His creation in any way.

He is not composed of persons, nor a trinity. There are no secondary, lesser, greater, equal, or multiple gods, nor any intermediaries. And no denying of God's existence either.

There are no sharers, associates, persons or parts whatsoever in His exclusive Divinity. Simply, He is One, in every sense.

As you can see, the concept is clear, simple, logical, makes sense, and befits the Majesty of God.

In Hinduism, there is belief that God incarnated into the body of animals such as an elephant etc. In Christianity there is belief that God incarnated into a human body, that of Jesus (peace be on him). The beliefs in incarnation of God are similar, one says a animal body, the other says a human body. How can God be reduced to coming in lowly forms and going to the toilet, crying like a baby, coming out of a woman's womb?

Let's say, a persons parent brought him up, gave him everything he needed, tended to his every need. That child, when he grows up, goes to his neighbour halfway down the street and says, thank you for everything you've given me, everything you've done for me, for bringing me up etc. You'd think that person had lost the plot, right? And how would his parents feel? Christians say, thank you Jesus, for everything. You will be thanking other than God. It is Allah, Glorified and Exalted be He, who has given you everything. Not Isa alayhissalaam, as respected and noble a messenger as he is.

As to hell. If you are thinking, wow God is so much more loving and caring in Christianity. Then know this. In Christianity, mankind is eternally d.a.m.n.e.d because of Adam eating from the tree. And there is nothing you can do. Whether you are sinful or not, you are doomed. the only way out, is, for you have a saviour who will save you from this d.a.m.nation. And for this, as I mentioned God had to beget a son and then have him killed. Akhi, use your brain. Why would Allah do this? This ascribes injustice to Allah, that he kills an innocent person. It ascribes injustice to him that he makes someone else carry the sins of another and lets a sinner get away scot free. It denigrates Allahs power, by suggesting he couldn't forgive mankind simply by forgiving and had to beget a son and have him killed. It makes Allah into a cruel God who d.a.m.n.s all of mankind for a sin they didn't commit.

Many people get taken in by "For God so loved the world that he gave His only son..."

But if he so loved the world, he would have forgiven Adam and Eve. Like He did, and like Islam says. But Christianity says:

To the woman He said, “I will greatly multiply Your pain in childbirth, In pain you will bring forth children;
Yet your desire will be for your husband, And he will rule over you.”
Then to Adam He said, “Because you have listened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree about which I commanded you, saying, ‘You shall not eat from it’;
Cursed is the ground because of you; In toil you will eat of it All the days of your life. “Both thorns and thistles it shall grow for you; And you will eat the plants of the field; By the sweat of your face You will eat bread,
Till you return to the ground, Because from it you were taken; For you are dust, And to dust you shall return.” (Genesis 3:16-19)

Compare with Islam:

When they both ate from the tree, they repented to Allah.

"Then Adam received from his Lord [some] words, and He accepted his repentance. Indeed, it is He who is the Accepting of repentance, the Merciful." (2:37)

"Then his Lord chose him and turned to him in forgiveness and guided [him]." (20:122)

They both repented and both were completely forgiven by their Loving, Merciful Lord; and indeed Adam was then chosen to be the first person to receive guidance from Allah, and is counted among all the other Prophets of Islam:

"Indeed, Allah chose Adam and Noah and the family of Abraham and the family of 'Imran over the worlds" -(3:33)

Lets imaging, now, you are sitting an exam. Someone says they'll take your bad marks for you. Will you be gullible and believe them? Or will you know, that you will be judged on your own merit. And nobody, rightly, takes responsibility for what you have done. Similarly, please do not be gullible enough to believe that any person any object, anything, will carry the burden of your sins, or died for your sins. If you do so, you are deceiving yourself, and making the biggest mistake of your life. You are despairing of the mercy of Allah.

Islam recognises God's power to forgive with just His Will. Some of the other religions seem to claim that forgiveness requires a purchase price and if we can't pay it, somebody else has to pay it on our behalf. In Islam, forgiveness comes without a purchase price or sacrifice. We do not/cannot: buy, sacrifice for, earn or steal it. It comes freely when we sincerely ask for forgiveness and truly repent, accepting God's will.

We are required to try our hardest and best to love, fear and obey God, and obey the messengers He sent with His message. ""So fear Allah as much as you are able and listen and obey and spend [in the way of Allah ]; it is better for your selves..." (Qur'an 64:16, part)" and we have been told which things are forbidden for us and what we should avoid. When we do those things that we shouldn't, then we repent and seek God's forgiveness, being truly sorry for what we have done, trying our best not to repeat it, and acknowledging Allah as being the only One on Whom we depend, for the forgiveness of our sins.

God does not expect perfection from us, but simply for us to worship Him alone without any associates, persons or parts to His Exclusive Divinity, and to not ascribe divinity to anybody or anything else, and to do our very best and try our very hardest with all our heart, body and soul, to love and obey Him and the messengers He sent. His Mercy opening the doors to salvation and paradise.

For Christians, this may be hard. They believe that by accepting Jesus (peace be upon him) as their saviour they have an assurance of salvation, and view the Islamic position on salvation as being one of uncertainty. As a rough (not exact) analogy, the Christian position, is like one sitting an exam, but somebody has said they'll take all your bad marks for you, and if you let them do that, you'll pass. In the world, this would be viewed as cheating and as unjust. Injustice cannot be ascribed to God. The Islamic position is that of one sitting an exam, doing their best, and then awaiting their results, based on what they've done, and of course hoping for the mercy of God.

We strive, and hope for God's Mercy and trust in Him, for none is more trustworthy than He, but for Christians, it is as though they must have a guarantee from God. We need no such guarantee, and do not feel in any way compromised by not having one, which is a key point where, as demonstrated, they try to catch Muslims. None of us would have a guarantee of passing an exam until we got our results, and this is no different. What greater thing is there than Gods Mercy? We try our best and hope for His Mercy and trust in His Promise, no guarantees needed, as He is not a human who will let us down, or be unjust, on the contrary we will not be wronged by even the spot on a date stone.

Also remember, that Jesus followed the law, prayed, fasted, gave in charity (salaat, saum, zakat) etc. And taught his followers that they must do so as well. I have talked about the burden issue before. Your attraction seems to be do less, gain more. No need to follow the law, accept a saviour, and get to heaven easily. Imagine a salesperson puts an advert for a brand new latest iphone (6s?), for say £10. No monthly cost, no other cost, that's it, and the advert promises you this. You'd raise an eyebrow, right? You'd think it was some kind of scam. You'd try to verify it. Or you'd avoid it like the plague, preferring to pay more but buy from a reliable source. Yes? Do you get the drift? If it sounds too good to be true, it is. There is no free ticket to heaven. Certainly not by committing shirk and ascribing cruelty and injustice to Allah, sub'haanahu wa ta'aalaa.

Please do not make your salvation depend on a core belief that you don't understand, can't explain, doesn't make sense, and isn't mentioned explicitly anywhere in the Bible (the trinity). It is not the nature of God to give convoluted beliefs to people, that don't make sense.

That’s why we call you, brother Strivingfordeen, back to Islam, in which the concept is very clear. There’s One God, He’s indivisible, He doesn’t have children, nor relatives, nor grandparents, and He does not die. Compare this with there’s one God who had 3 different godheads, but at the same time, they’re still 1, one of them dies for three days, & instead of being 2 (or ⅔), they’re still 1, even though they’re physically separated. Which of these two is easier to understand? If we explained this to a child now, which one is easier for them?

Why would Allah present people with a concept that doesn’t make logical sense to you, doesn’t agree with humans naturally, you don’t understand it, you can’t explain it, and then tell you that to be saved you have to believe in this strange concept? Please think about it.

That’s why we call you back to Islam, in which you don’t have to separate between your logical self and your spiritual self, where the concepts make sense. We call you to a religion in which there is One God, none other is worthy of worship except Him, He sent prophets & messengers (including Jesus peace be upon him) to guide and warn humanity, and this is the message that has always been.

Sorry if some of it is a bit blunt but there is no easy way to point out the obvious and try and get you to think/ponder/reflect. I request you as before, to please read carefully, and respond with any further queries/clarifications sought, and let us know whether that has helped, and what other points we can help you with/explain.

format_quote Originally Posted by StrivingforDeen

Assalamu alaikum.

So i have been looking into Christianity and got interested.

The thing is I am starting ti feel like Islam is more of a burden then pleasure or peace.

What should I do?

You don't have to be a perfect model Muslim, as no one really is.

You should not offer prayer while intoxicated..somewhere in the Quran.. Although not sure about ziker.


Nobody is perfect for sure.. I'm sure sufi's get some leeway


...or not lol


If the Quran were sent to a perfect people,

We would not have had to be told would we?

Alcohol, gambling.. Intoxication etc etc.


Clean since 2006.

May Allah Help you and ease the burden in your Heart Ameen.

It's a human thing if you keep doing certain thing over and over again then you stop thinking about it you just react
Just like most Marshal Arts Practice makes them just react.

What you do to have emotional connection?
Understand what your doing (Prayer specially) like why one raise their hand to enter the prayer or why say salam getting out of it.
read different books or watch (YouTube) to have different perspective.

What i belief of Christianity
That it WAS true religion until people made changes in the BOOK(The Word of God)
That is why Allah sent another Messenger with the word of God and Protected the BOOK.
That is why He is the Last because the The Word of God remains intact.

Its all up to the people what they follow and will get accordingly on the day of Judgement.

Hope You Think Wisely.

Just to add some points about the concept of a day of judgement, punishment and rewards, accountability, justice and retribution.

If there is a God, which we agree, there has to be a Day of Judgement, because God has to be fair, otherwise people get away scot free, and if a serial killer dies, it means he ends up in the same nothingness as a devout worshipper.

If there is a class of students, some are lazy and do nothing and get a fail mark, some work hard day and night on the syllabus and are worthy of distinctions, but the teacher gives them all pass marks, is that fair? Is that just? How can we ascribe the same unjustness to God?

We have a mass murderer and serial rapist on the one hand, and a devout, pious worshipper on the other, but God loves them both the same. That is not fair or just, and we cannot and should not ascribe such unjustness to God. I know God would love the repentance of the criminal, but here we are talking about loving him as is.

God makes one person die for the sins of the whole of humankind, and rather than each person being responsible for their own sins, he has to unjustly bear the burden. That is not Just and not fair. Again, we do not and will not ascribe such unjustness to God.

We do not assume we have His love, but we hope for it and ask for it, and have the following lovely supplication:

"O Allah, I ask you for Your love, and the love of those who love You, and the love of every action that will bring me closer to Your love."

We hope for His mercy, and we worship Him not with love alone (because then a person can do anything and think and assume that God will love him all the same) but with a combination of love (We should be overwhelming in our love for Him), hope (since He is the One who is full of Mercy, and we hope He will forgive our mistakes and shortcomings) and fear (on the Day of Judgement, every person will stand before Allaah and account for his sins, knowing that not even the smallest action which he did is hidden from Allaah, and we remind ourselves of this Judgement and accountability and that should bring about in us a sense of fear).

A Muslim should always remember that Allah is watching everything he does, and that he will have to account for his deeds. This alone should prevent behaving in a manner against the guidance of Allah. Many present day problems in this world would disappear and new ones avoided, if everyone acted fully in accord with this belief.

This world is our test, and we will get our pass or fail marks from Allah on the Day of Judgement (which is true and not an analogy). Imagine if a teacher had a class. Some students worked really hard day and night, some didn't, and some didn't study the specified syllabus but studied whatever they fancied. The hard workers get top marks, the lazy ones get the lowest fail marks, as do those that studied the wrong thing, but the teacher, instead of giving them their correct marks, gives them all distinctions. Can you imagine? The teacher would be sacked, there would be national outcry as to how unjust and stupid the teacher is, and the school would be blacklisted. How would those who worked hard feel, knowing that those who did nothing have been given the same marks? Why did they bother working so hard? They would demand justice, and rightfully so.

Imagine a country, where criminals were, instead of jail, sent to stately mansion houses with gardens and servants. The judge declares he feels an overwhelming sense of love for this criminal despite his heinous crimes. Would this be right? That country's laws would be ridiculed by it's own people and other countries.

Justice and retribution is something so fundamental, important and basic, that even animals and children understand it. A toddler tries to walk and hits a table and cries and cries. It's mother tries to console it, to no avail. Until she hits the table and says bad table, naughty table, then the child begins to calm down. Annoy the monkeys at the zoo and see how they react to you. How is it, that babies understand justice, animals understand justice, societies and countries understand justice, schools understand justice, but God doesn't? How can that be? Please think abut it. Please don't let the wool be pulled over your eyes.

We cannot ascribe such unjust behaviour to Allah. While Allah is Loving and Forgiving, He is also Severe in punishment, yet He is Fair and Firm. Such is the perfectly balanced nature of Allah.

Unlike the scenario, Allah is not unjust in the least bit. Those who work hard and try their utmost to obey Allah and follow the guidance He sent, will not be treated the same as those who don't.

Allah is kind, loving, forgiving, clement, forbearing, pardoning, the merciful, but also the Just, and the stern in punishment, just like we should expect Him to be. There is none more perfect than He.

To end, I found a post from one of our respected members here, which I thought you should read:

"Many of us here (Myself included) said essentially the same words you are now saying, during our years following Paulism in the belief we were Christians. During our Christian years we loved and worshiped an idealistic man-made concept. After we came to Islam we learned to truly love Jesus(as) and not what we were told was Jesus(as).

When I was Christian I thought I loved Jesus(as), but after coming to Islam I came to truly Love Jesus(as)."

The post before this might appear as the last one on the previous page, which is about the concept of a day of judgement, punishment and rewards, accountability, justice and retribution (in case it is missed)

Regarding Allah's mercy:

In our life in this world, Allah is merciful in various ways to all His creatures, whether they see it or not, whether they acknowledge it or not, whether they accept Him or reject Him, whether they accept Him but associate others such as Jesus (peace be upon him) in His Divinity, or whether they were hoping for a different "mercy" of their choosing.

It is a mercy for all that one can return to the straight path any time before death, as is the fact that Allah shows us His signs day and night for us to reflect, sends guidance for us, gives us chances throughout our life even if we repeatedly sin, and no matter how disobedient we are, He still gives us to eat and drink and lets us to go about our daily lives, the fact that we see and hear and talk and reason, all of these are mercies from His vast, unlimited, infinite Mercy that we cannot even begin to fathom.

The very first sentence in the Qur'an, as you begin to read it, is "In the name of Allah, the Most Merciful, the Most Compassionate", and Muslims start every lawful act with this phrase, be that reciting the Qur'an, eating, entering the house or mosque, putting on clothes, any lawful act in fact, acknowledging His Kindness and Mercy and Compassion many, many times a day. It is one of the first phrases that children are taught and use on a practical basis daily from when they first learn to speak. From a young age, Muslims acknowledge Allah's Kindness, Mercy and Compassion.

The Prophet was also sent as a mercy for all the worlds:

And We have not sent you, [O Muhammad], except as a mercy to the worlds. (Surah al Anbiyaa' Surah 21 ayah 107)

The Prophet (peace be upon him) was indeed a mercy for all the world, but will people accept that, or reject the guidance from God that he came with? Will they reject the correction made by God, of people's wrong beliefs, e.g. about Jesus (peace be upon him)? God is indeed Rabbul 3alameen, but will people affirm that with their tongues but then continue to associate others (such as Jesus) in His Lordship and Divinity?

As I mentioned above, Allah is Kind, Loving, Forgiving, and Merciful, but also stern in punishment, yet fair, and the Most Just, as outlined in the Qur'an and hadeeth, from where we learn about Allah. Our sources for learning about Allah and His attributes, as you know, are the Qur'an and Hadeeth. The Qur'an contains verses that tell us that nobody shall be wronged by even such an amount as the tiny spot on a date stone, and also verses telling us Allah is Forgiving, Merciful, as well as stern but fair in punishment.

No Muslim should believe "how can Allah punish people in hell-fire?" Punishing in hell-fire in no way precludes Allah from being the Most Loving and Forgiving the likes of which we can never imagine. You must remember that Allah has a perfect balance of Love, Forgiveness, Kindness, Mercy, Fairness, Justness, and Firmness.

"And ordain for us in this world that which is good, and in the Hereafter (that which is good), certainly we have turned unto You." [Allah] said, "My punishment - I afflict with it whom I will, but My mercy encompasses all things." So I will decree it [especially] for those who fear Me and give zakah and those who believe in Our verses-

Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered prophet, whom they find written in what they have of the Torah and the Gospel, who enjoins upon them what is right and forbids them what is wrong and makes lawful for them the good things and prohibits for them the evil and relieves them of their burden and the shackles which were upon them. So they who have believed in him, honored him, supported him and followed the light which was sent down with him - it is those who will be the successful." (7:156-157)