This is the time when a man sleeps a Muslim and wakes a kaffir, wakes a Muslim and sleeps s kaffir.
with all I can muster of kindness I think it's actually a good idea for you to convert to Christianity and a large number of folks who count as Muslims and shouldn't be!
I've always admired that the Jews made it notoriously difficult for folks to convert into their religion and have to go through quite a rigorous study to convert. I never understood the Muslim need to mass convert people who end up nothing but deviants and ruin things from within.
An ummah should be one body and like a body when a part of it hurts the rest hurt- if you're finding that you're a foreign object to that body then please don't be Muslim!
This is the right time to walk out I promise it will get a whole lot worse for obvious reasons. If you're not in it for Aqeedah then don't be in it better than being and living as a hypocrite!
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you.
And not equal are the good deed and the bad. Repel [evil] by that [deed] which is better; and thereupon the one whom between you and him is enmity [will become] as though he was a devoted friend. [Surah Fussilat: 34]
This is the time when a man sleeps a Muslim and wakes a kaffir, wakes a Muslim and sleeps s kaffir.
with all I can muster of kindness I think it's actually a good idea for you to convert to Christianity and a large number of folks who count as Muslims and shouldn't be!
I've always admired that the Jews made it notoriously difficult for folks to convert into their religion and have to go through quite a rigorous study to convert. I never understood the Muslim need to mass convert people who end up nothing but deviants and ruin things from within.
An ummah should be one body and like a body when a part of it hurts the rest hurt- if you're finding that you're a foreign object to that body then please don't be Muslim!
This is the right time to walk out I promise it will get a whole lot worse for obvious reasons. If you're not in it for Aqeedah then don't be in it better than being and living as a hypocrite!
Best,
Yea I never really understood why Muslims, specifically ones who publicly speak to non Muslims, insist on trying to convert as many people as possible like they're trying to reach a quota. You see it on youtube all the time. One speaker, Zakir Naik, comes to mind. Not to take away from what he does but, during his quation and answer sessions, he will constantly tell people that if he answers their question and they're satisfied with the answer that they have to convert (more or less). Kind of like a bet.
I personally never understood the idea of conversion as a numbers game.
As a Muslim, it is our duty to try and save people from falling into the pit of fire. And we know people will only be saved from the Fire of Hell if they accept Islam by proclaiming the Shahadah.
As a Muslim, it is our duty to try and save people from falling into the pit of fire. And we know people will only be saved from the Fire of Hell if they accept Islam by proclaiming the Shahadah.
In some way, I think I agree with you. That said, I also do not think there's any way to convince someone of something of which they have chosen not to be convinced. Ultimately, we can try our best as believers to advise and counsel, but really, we must understand that we do not choose who stays or leaves this beautiful religion as all is in the hands of Allah SWT. And Allah SWT is All-Wise, All-Knowing.
As a Muslim, it is our duty to try and save people from falling into the pit of fire. And we know people will only be saved from the Fire of Hell if they accept Islam by proclaiming the Shahadah.
Prudent to teach Muslims proper Islam than amass more clowns!
I can write an almanac on the ills and dangers of this and don't need to publicly mention the 'pious niqabi' who reached the ranks and was a male spy!
Either way after conversion they're left be or hurled things in large cuts and pastes and compendiums which they don't understand or are able to navigate through and ultimately deviate from. Just have a look around the posts here an example that's glaring as day light!
Let's have a social thread and cooking thread and photography thread and jokes thread and don't like those verses thread and those words of God are dated thread and apologetics thread and can I have a little wine vinegar while listening to Liszt thread everything but core teachings and the fundamentals of this religion just so long as the numbers add up!
newsflash Islam like ALL Abrahamic religions can be ascetic and difficult much like any study or any school requires thought and continuing education and battle with the self it's isn't s joy ride!
فستقم كما امرت from Suret Hud
Pursue, then, what is exactly right (in every matter of the Religion) as you are commanded (by God), and those who, along with you, have turned (to God with faith, repenting their former ways, let them do likewise); and do not rebel against the bounds of the Straight Path (O believers)! He indeed sees well all that you do.
turned the messenger gray haired as he felt the burden of being told to be upright and what of us?
Text without context is pretext If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him
There have been so many things wrong said about Christianity and what Christians believe in this thread. And in this bible quote, Jesus is not ordering this. He is telling a story/parable of ruler. Those words are what the man in the story says.
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But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. Luke 19:28
if your bible isn't preaching some form of violence disguised as love then in all likelihood you're following a made up religion!
Also, I don't know what the position of Bro StrivingforDeen is right now, that is, whether he's converted or not.
If he has though (coverted) or when he does (convert), I humbly request that this thread be closed because I do not think at that point he'll benefit further then from anything said. As people of wisdom, we must learn to leave all matters to Allah SWT.
There have been so many things wrong said about Christianity and what Christians believe in this thread. And in this bible quote, Jesus is not ordering this. He is telling a story/parable of ruler. Those words are what the man in the story says.
You'll find an explanation for every biblical text calling for mass murder or telling folks that he 'Jesus' didn't come to bring peace but a sword.
I guess as my quote states text without context is pretext- I'd rather have an ignorant Christian than an ignorant Muslim and you're welcome to explain the fuzzy passages to him
best,
Text without context is pretext If your opponent is of choleric temperament, seek to irritate him
As a Muslim, it is our duty to try and save people from falling into the pit of fire. And we know people will only be saved from the Fire of Hell if they accept Islam by proclaiming the Shahadah.
The whole concept of saving people is too close to that of Christianity. I want to save you. Beleive in Jesus if you want to be saved. I think we should focus on saving ourselves first. People can say words, lip service as they call it. Going on a stage and saying if I do such and such, you must convert. Too be honest, I see that being done simply for the sake of entertainment purposes.
Even those that do happen to convert are left out there to hang and dry. What's the point in all of that? Those very same people who weren't genuine in their conversion to begin with are now leaving the faith and not only are they leaving with a bad image of Islam in their minds but, are also speaking out against the religion. Is that something we should strive for?
Our duty should be to educate ourselves. Only then can we spread the message of this religion and try to "save" people. How can we save others when we only know 1/5 of the religion we claim to practice? As a matter of fact, I think it would be more beneficial for those of us who lack proper knowledge of Islam to stay quiet vs trying to spread this skewed version we have in our heads, however good our intentions may be.
Going on a stage and saying if I do such and such, you must convert. Too be honest, I see that being done simply for the sake of entertainment purposes.
Even those that do happen to convert are left out there to hang and dry.
I think that is gross generalization. Most of the Scholars invite people towards Allah because of their love for the people. They don't want them to fall in fire.
And they don't leave them out there alone. Take Dr Zakir Naik for example, he runs IRF, an institute that does da'wah and I think it also helps and teaches new Muslims.
I understand where you come from. Yes, it is important for us to better ourselves in Islam. But it is also important for us to save our families, friends, colleagues and every one else from the fire of Hell. Both of them are not mutually exclusive.
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But if you are doubting Islam, I highly suggest listening to nouman ali khan's "quran for young adult" series in bayyinah tv. If you don't have money, sign up for a free account. That one will answer a lot of your questions inshaAllah, and also help you connect to the deen at an emotional level.
I think right now don't worry about following everything in Islam, focus on learning more about Allah (swt). His attributes, I really like the explanations here, as they help us to connect with our Rabb. Look at the names of Allah series at virtual mosque. virtualmosquedotcom/tag/names-of-allah/
Focus on connecting with Allah (swt), loving Him, and seeing His love manifested in your life.
While christianity is a feel good religion, a lot of things don't make sense. Islam not only make sense, it does appeal to the heart as well. So focus on connecting with Allah (swt).
What would matter for you to feel that emotional connection with the false God? or Son of God in this case? Would it matter in the afterlife?
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