Sister when it comes down for Christmas i do get Christmas cards from blads/homies. I do take the cards as it would be bad for me to say 'NO'. I give presents to my nephews/neices, I give and get.
As for candies... Oh please im a dya for cadies :X. I do eat candies but thoese which are halal indeed.
Don't buy Christmas candies for my self as most of them are not suitable for muslims (Not Halal.).. I tend to eat the candies on Christmas the 'Loli-pops' or little 'Chop sticks of Sponge Candies' which are yammy yammy.
The main point is, my neicies/nephews..Blads/Homies won't take the present without Card. So i have to get them each and individual a card otherwise im so dead .. and they won't talk to me
Question:
She says: I want to become Muslim, but my family gather to celebrate Christmas, and I want to go and greet them. This is not with the intention of celebrating or joining in, but simply to make the most of the opportunity of my relatives getting together. Is this allowed?
Answer:
We put this question to Shaykh Muhammad ibn Saalih al-‘Uthaymeen,who answered as follows:
No, it is not permitted. If Allaah blesses her with Islam, then the first thing she must do is to distance herself from her former religion and its festivals.
And Allaah knows best.
^ I must keep that in mind indeed, but it's hard for little children like me neices/nephews
Ya Allaah forgive me and lead me to the right path. Amin
We put this question to Shaykh Muhammad ibn Saalih al-‘Uthaymeen,who answered as follows:
No, it is not permitted. If Allaah blesses her with Islam, then the first thing she must do is to distance herself from her former religion and its festivals.
And Allaah knows best.
While it may be well-intended, I grieve for people who might loose contact with their family because of an answer like this. Surely if the prophet could maintain relations with his non-Muslim relatives, there is room for both family and faith in Islam.
While it may be well-intended, I grieve for people who might loose contact with their family because of an answer like this. Surely if the prophet could maintain relations with his non-Muslim relatives, there is room for both family and faith in Islam.
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While it may be well-intended, I grieve for people who might loose contact with their family because of an answer like this. Surely if the prophet could maintain relations with his non-Muslim relatives, there is room for both family and faith in Islam.
Grace Seeker, how nice to see you are still active here! I have been away from the board for a long time due to other commitments taking all my time.
anyway, I think the answer you quoted mentioned only distancing oneself from the former religion, and its festivals, not from family members. It is forbidden in Islam to cut off ties with blood relatives no matter what religion they are (there would be exceptions but only for very serious reasons).
this particular q-a website is not my favourite as it seems very harsh in a lot of its answers. I know of a Muslim who attends 'Christmas dinner' (halal) with their widowed mother who would otherwise be alone, and there are other examples of revert Muslims who have contact with their families at Christmas while not crossing the line of 'celebrating'.
At my house we have Christmas. We do the tree and Santa's cookies and go to so many dinners that we just might pop. We don't do the "Christ" part of Christmas. It is a time to give and get and spend time with family. Christmas' of my youth are cherish memories. I want my son to be able to have the same thing. The difference is he will have memories of Christmas and Eid. My husband attends all of these with me. He loves seeing our sons face light up Christmas morning when he comes downstairs and see all of his presents under the tree. He even eats the cookies left out for Santa!
"The only thing neccesary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." - E. Burke
"We have just enough religion to hate but not enough to love one another" -Jonathan Swift
I don't plan on exchanging gift with friends. We just play this game at work called 'earthling and angel'.
It's super fun!
Of course I take advantage of the sales they have, loads of discount on shoes and stuff. That's about it for me.
At my house we have Christmas. We do the tree and Santa's cookies and go to so many dinners that we just might pop. We don't do the "Christ" part of Christmas. It is a time to give and get and spend time with family. Christmas' of my youth are cherish memories. I want my son to be able to have the same thing. The difference is he will have memories of Christmas and Eid. My husband attends all of these with me. He loves seeing our sons face light up Christmas morning when he comes downstairs and see all of his presents under the tree. He even eats the cookies left out for Santa!
Help me understand this better.
I can understand why a Muslim or a Jew would seek to avoid celebrating Christmas. And I can understand why any sort of non-Christian would participate in the social functions. But, for the life of me, I can't understand why anyone would adopt the silly Santa and gifts stuff and call that celebrating Christmas if you don't believe in Christ. Just call it what it is, American-materialism-run-amock-Santa-fable-holiday.
I can understand why a Muslim or a Jew would seek to avoid celebrating Christmas. And I can understand why any sort of non-Christian would participate in the social functions. But, for the life of me, I can't understand why anyone would adopt the silly Santa and gifts stuff and call that celebrating Christmas if you don't believe in Christ. Just call it what it is, American-materialism-run-amock-Santa-fable-holiday.
Well Grace Seeker it is kind of complicated but I will try to break it down so it is understandable.
Growing up my father, though not athiest, didn't claim any religion. My mother was baptist growing up but turned away from the church in her youth. So I was never taught religion as a child. Which is party why it is so hard to wrap my head around it now. I know who God was, kinds. I knew that Christmas was supposed to be celebrating Jesus' birthday. But I never really understood.
So growing up Christmas was presents, turkey, and family.
Now I believe in God, though I am still not sure of exactly what he should be called. I believe in Jesus, though I don't understand the whole trinity thing.
My husband is muslim. We are not a Christian household. So doing Christmas the christian way just doesn't work for us. We do what does work, so we can still feel the love and joy of the season. My family is very understanding of this. They have all taken great strides to try and make things easier for us. They know that if they decide to pray, that we will not participate. And they have gotten used to reading labels to make sure there is no pork in the beans!
"The only thing neccesary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." - E. Burke
"We have just enough religion to hate but not enough to love one another" -Jonathan Swift
Well Grace Seeker it is kind of complicated but I will try to break it down so it is understandable.
Growing up my father, though not athiest, didn't claim any religion. My mother was baptist growing up but turned away from the church in her youth. So I was never taught religion as a child. Which is party why it is so hard to wrap my head around it now. I know who God was, kinds. I knew that Christmas was supposed to be celebrating Jesus' birthday. But I never really understood.
So growing up Christmas was presents, turkey, and family.
Now I believe in God, though I am still not sure of exactly what he should be called. I believe in Jesus, though I don't understand the whole trinity thing.
My husband is muslim. We are not a Christian household. So doing Christmas the christian way just doesn't work for us. We do what does work, so we can still feel the love and joy of the season. My family is very understanding of this. They have all taken great strides to try and make things easier for us. They know that if they decide to pray, that we will not participate. And they have gotten used to reading labels to make sure there is no pork in the beans!
That's an interesting post, tomtomsmom.
In some ways my position isn't that dissimilar to yours.
I am the only Christian as my family at home.
We largely celebrate Christmas in the tradition it has become in this country.
As parents (and partly through financial circumstance) both my husband and I are fairly anti-consumeristic in our outlook. We exchange gifts and enjoy good food, but really on a much smaller scale than many people I know.
We don't go in much for the Santa-thing.
Really, Christmas for us is a time to enjoy the good things we have - that includes material wealth as well as family time, each other's company etc.
For me as a Christian, of course, it also includes an awareness that all these things are God's blessings in our lives; and a celebration of his greatest gift of all - the birth and life and death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
As a family we do go to church at Christmas (the only time in the year we go together) and we do put out a nativity scene at home. At the moment those are merely tokens, and remnants of a religious past in an increasingly secular society ...
Every year I pray that the celebration of the birth of Christ will become more meaningful for my husband and children, and I trust that - God willing - one day it will! :sunny:
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I can do no other.
May God help me.
Amen.
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and kneel before the Lord our Maker
[Psalm 95]
I can understand why a Muslim or a Jew would seek to avoid celebrating Christmas. And I can understand why any sort of non-Christian would participate in the social functions. But, for the life of me, I can't understand why anyone would adopt the silly Santa and gifts stuff and call that celebrating Christmas if you don't believe in Christ. Just call it what it is, American-materialism-run-amock-Santa-fable-holiday.
i have never celebrated christmas, since i am not christian.
but i agree with the above - i could see it as a religious holiday, but this consumerism feeding frenzy is empty and pathetic.
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Buying presents is not part of the religious side of Christmas if it is done without the Santa Claus part (since that comes from "St.Nick"). When I was a Catholic the priests used to go on about how religion was leaving the whole focus as people got into the traditional consumerist stuff.
So I buy my family gifts as a tradition for this traditional family gathering time.
I will not pray as a catholic, go to church , pray in a room where a nativity scene is sitting (or any other sculpture image/ of a living being - unless I cover them with a cloth or something).
My family and friends wished me happy Eid, I think I would not inshaAllah wish them a happy christmas (because I am in a way condoning Christmas then) , more like say 'have a lovely day'.
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