adding things into the religion is baaaaad! because our religion is butifull, we dont need to add anything into it, its purrfecto and when something is perfect, it dont need anythin added or taken away, because that will ruin it and spoil it!
also there are loads of topics about bidah, but that just shows how important it is, we should always question whatever we do, is it from the Quran or Sunnah? is there evidence for something we are doing? because just because our parents or imam or mosque does something, does it mean its right? NO! we should know what we are doin and where is the evidence for it!
alsoo if someone is doin a bidaah, we cant like switch on the person just explain to the person, as Ibn Taymiyyah (rahimullah) said "people do bidah either based on a false or weak hadiths, or because of a misunderstanding" maybe they are doing because they dont know, so so we should always be nice to people when telling them stuff, because put it like this, imagine you been wearing the same clothes for 4 years and then someone says to you, them clothes are ugly blud, your likely to be offended, so same with people that are involved in a bidah, they will need time to change, and only Allah (swt) changes the hearts. nowadays we see people goin around refuting muslims lol, over bidahs they do, and they think their "imams"... worreva, like say something to someone once, twice, thrice! after that leave them, if they dont wana accept, let Allah (swt) deal with them innaaay, no need to make their errors part of your life!
so the moral of the story is, follow the way of the Prophet (saw), Allah (Swt) says in surah al Yunus v 32:
"So after the truth, what else can there be, save error?''
also surah al anaam v 38
"We have neglected nothing in the Book"
this also refutes the concept of "bidah hasanah" lol, as the hadiths says "kullu bidaatin dhala3lah ...." EVERY BIDAAH IS A MISGUIDANCE! and if there was anythin good, in somethin it would have been done or mentioned by Allah (Swt). and as the ayah clearly says nothin has been left out of the kitaab of Allah (swt) he has shown us all good and all bad!
and again v 153
"And verily, this is My straight path, so follow it, and follow not (other) paths, for they will separate you away from His path"
sooo follow the way of the Prophet (saw) the ayah is clear!!!
and again the same message is given in surah al imraan v31
"Say (O Muhammad (PBUH) to mankind): 'If you (really) love Allah then follow me (i.e., accept Islamic Monotheism, follow the Qur'an and the Sunnah), Allah will love you and forgive you your sins".
the Prophet (Saw) is bein told to say to mankind, if they really love Allah (Swt) then they should follow his way!!
and what i been sayin all along, is said in surah al nisa v59
"(And) if you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it to Allah and His Messenger (PBUH)".
so if someone says to you, what your doin is bidah, dont bite their head off! go yourself and look for evidence for it, if you cant find solid pure authentic evidence then leave it, you will be rewarded for leaving, as another hadiths says "leave what you doubt"
and some hadiths which should nail the point down!!
Ummul Momineen!!! Hadhrat Aisha (ra) narrates a hadiths saying: Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said, "If anyone introduces in our matter something which does not belong to it, will be rejected".
[Al-Bukhari and Muslim]
now the question bidah.. whaat is it ....
IF IT WERENT DONE DURING THE TIME OF THE PROPHET (sal Allah hu aleyhi wasalam) ITS A BIDAH! taa daa
now some clever cloggs is gona turn around and say "cars werent invented during the RasoolAllah's (sal Allah hu aleyhi wasalam) time are they a bidah?
well as the hadiths says anythin introduced into this matter of ours i.e. the religion!!!
another hadiths "If anybody introduces a practice which is not authenticated by me, it is to be rejected". (Sahih Muslim)
if the Prophet (saw) never told us to do anythin, then we shouldnt do it, he has shown us all the good ways!!!
and we all before any khutbah say, what RasoolAllah (saw) used to say ...
"To proceed, the best speech is the Book of Allah and the best guidance is the guidance of Muhammad (PBUH), the worst practice is the introduction of new practices in Islam and every Bid`ah is a misguidance". [Muslim]
so to finish off!! follow the way of Prophet (saw) if he didnt do somethin, that means there is no religious good in that thin, otherwise he would have didded it
capicheee
Jaa-Ro-Nee-Mo!!!
"they ask you when will the help of Allah (swt) come! Certainly Allah (Swt) help is always near"
the sahabi's followed fiqh. Madhabs are like sets of fiqh to follow.
sahabi's followed scholars, madhabs are like following a group of scholars of whom the leaders being imam abu hanifa/malik/shafie/ahma ibn hanbal.
so madhab isnt exactly new, your still taking from the scholars, the only new thing is completely and utterly blind following one scholar although he says things of clear bid'a or shirk such as "wear this ring of mine and such and such will happen" or attributes false statements to the salaaf, of doesnt follow the ways of the salaaf but makes new ways of worship...
etc
if i said anything wrong may Allah forgive me....
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My tears testify that i have a heart
yet i feel me and shaytan never part
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let me make things easy for you sis, always look for an example from the salaf in everything you do. Its not hard, imaam malik said that if it wasnt from the prophet back then its not of the deen today, and i think it was imam ahmad who advised us to look for a statement of the salaf in every thing we practise so as not to deviate from their ways and understanding.
i hope that hellps you even a little inshaAllaah
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My tears testify that i have a heart
yet i feel me and shaytan never part
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So if the Prophet and the sa7aaba had no four Madhahbs.
are the Madhhabs Bida ? according to your logic?
Bro, the objective of these Madhabs were to eventually follow the way of the Sahaabah, so to conclude that the Imaams introduced something new into the religion is wrong.
But as Brother IbnAbdulHakim pointed out, blind following and that such is wrong.
Allaahu Aalim man, this is wy I stay away from these topics. You don't know who to follow, who's wrong, who's right (sectarian stuff).
Allaah (SWT) is Merciful. Since we don't have the adequate knowledge to know who is correct and who's not, we're allowed to follow a Madhab/scholar which we trust (rather some deem it obligatory on us) and there won't be no blame upon us. No need to be confused.
Bro, the objective of these Madhabs were to eventually follow the way of the Sahaabah, so to conclude that the Imaams introduced something new into the religion is wrong.
But as Brother IbnAbdulHakim pointed out, blind following and that such is wrong.
Allaah (SWT) is Merciful. Since we don't have the adequate knowledge to know who is correct and who's not, we're allowed to follow a Madhab/scholar which we trust (rather some deem it obligatory on us) and there won't be no blame upon us. No need to be confused.
Blind following of who is wrong ?
Are you refering to Taqleed of the Four Imams ?
In that case You calling 3/4 of ISlamic scholars wrong .
Simple Question , Why was Ibn Rajab called Al hanbali ?
In that case You calling 3/4 of ISlamic scholars wrong .
When did I say that?
format_quote Originally Posted by pauper
Blind following of who is wrong ?
Refer to my old post:
But as Brother IbnAbdulHakim pointed out, blind following and that such is wrong.
Which begs the question? What DID IbnAbdulHakim say?
the only new thing is completely and utterly blind following one scholar although he says things of clear bid'a or shirk such as "wear this ring of mine and such and such will happen" or attributes false statements to the salaaf, of doesnt follow the ways of the salaaf but makes new ways of worship...
Are you refering to Taqleed of the Four Imams ?
Not in this case no, in fact, if you had read my post, you would've realised I said:
Since we don't have the adequate knowledge to know who is correct and who's not, we're allowed to follow a Madhab/scholar which we trust (rather some deem it obligatory on us) and there won't be no blame upon us.
Simple Question , Why was Ibn Rajab called Al hanbali ?
i see it as, when you only accept the opinion of one of the schools, of thought and you disregard the other ones, for example one may follow the hanafi fiqh, and they will say only bring me something from the hanafi fiqh as evidence, im not interested in the other school of thoughts, thats what i classify as blind following!
and thats wrong because none of the 4 imams were wrong, there opinions were based on information they had at that time, and they all said if any one of their opinions went againist the Quraan or Sunnah then throw it!! subhanAllah, shows how great the imams really were
also in answer to your question before pauperryy bro
the madhaabs are not a bidaah, they are opinions of the four imams, none of the imams said "only follow my opinion", its like someone writing a sharh on a book, to put it in a similar form they have like written a massive sharh and thats there opinions, so its not a bidaah
what should we doo? we should follow the strongest opinions from all schools of fiqh and but have the Quraan and Sunnah as our main guidance, because there is no point in studying the views of the imams, if you aint got a clue about the Quraan and Sunnah!
so the main thing for our guidance is Quraan and Sunnah, and the whole topic was about dont add anything into the religion i.e. - Quraan and Sunnah,
Jaa-Ro-Nee-Mo!!!
"they ask you when will the help of Allah (swt) come! Certainly Allah (Swt) help is always near"
lol ppl ask me wht madhab i follow i'm like ummm...i'm on the Quran and Sunnah ..i'm nt the kind who has one madhab to follow alhamdullah whtever agrees wit it it's fine
“The believers in their mutual kindness, compassion and sympathy are just like one body. When one of the limbs is afflicted, the whole body responds to it with sleeplessness and fever”.
Hanbali (Arabic: حنبلى ) is one of the four schools (Madhhabs) of Fiqh or religious law within Sunni Islam (the other three being Hanafi, Maliki and Shafi`i). It is also a school of aqeedah (creed) in Sunni Islam, also referred to as the Athari (or Textualist) school.
The school was started by the students of Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal (d. 855).
So Was Imam Rajab Wrong to Be exclusively Hanbali simple Question to those who say shouldnt blind follow .
no, during imam rajabs time many of the top top scholars that had passed away before him like ibn taymiyyah, ibn al jawzi, ibn al qayyim (rahimullah) all these people liked the hanbali tradition, but from their works you can clearly see that they never adhered to one school of tradiiton they always referred back to the Quraan and Sunnah, many times what happens is the people who you learn from might be students or you know ancestors of a certain imam, so people are just associated with that school of thought. but it dont mean they blind followed, like ibn kathir (rahimullah) was a stooodant of ibn taymiyyah and ibn kathir is often associated with being shaafi, and ibn taymiyyah = hanbali
so what im saying, is you can be asoociated with a certain school, by where you were born or whom you studied under
like ibn rajab (rahimullah) was born in baghdad i tinkk i dont know much about him?? and baghdad was predominately hanbali back in them days, but yeh lol no one is wrong and right, all the scholars refer themselfs back to the Quraan and Sunnah, they didnt just base their answers on one school of thought
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