Why do we insist on putting a crescent on everything?

format_quote Originally Posted by piXie

almost a miracle to find a plain one these days. Do they even exist ?

Miracles do happen. Wait a month or so inshaAllah

Asalamualaykum Wa Rahmatuallahi wa barakatu

The creasent was really put into place after the World Wars- after Attaturk took over Turkey and got rid of the Khalifat- he insisted to put Creasents on everything... Before the Wars, there were no creasents, not even on Mosques... Our greatest enemies use it as a logo and we should never have adopted it..

format_quote Originally Posted by Tony

According to Dr Zakir Naik the crescent symbolises sereniy, in the days of Rasulullah peace and blessings be upon him, the days were so harsh and scorched by the sun, that the opposite coolness of the night provided serenity, and as such Islam adopted the crescent

I'd like to know his source for this. I haven't seen any clear evidence for the crescent being a symbol of Islam before Ottoman times.

format_quote Originally Posted by Futuwwa

I'd like to know his source for this. I haven't seen any clear evidence for the crescent being a symbol of Islam before Ottoman times.

Peace


Why during the month of Ramadan Muslims they fasten following the Moon Celendar ?

Why muslim when they see the full moon they pray a special prayer ?

Because God decreed that we should use the sun and moon for timekeeping.

format_quote Originally Posted by Futuwwa

Because God decreed that we should use the sun and moon for timekeeping.

Peace Futuwwa


Thank you for the anwser

Can you tell me why muslim when they see the full moon they pray a special prayer ?


Peace.

Peace


Why muslims they have the prayer of ( Salat Al Koussouf ) = Prayer of the eclipse ?



Peace

format_quote Originally Posted by Innocent Soul

^Brother you should start another thread thread for such questions. I think this ahadith will be the answer to your question:

Narrated Abu Musa: The sun eclipsed and the Prophet got up, being afraid that it might be the Hour (i.e. Day of Judgment). He went to the Mosque and offered the prayer with the longest Qiyam, bowing and prostration that I had ever seen him doing. Then he said, "These signs which Allah sends do not occur because of the life or death of somebody, but Allah makes His worshipers afraid by them. So when you see anything thereof, proceed to remember Allah, invoke Him and ask for His forgiveness."(Sahih Bukhari: Book #18, Hadith #167)

Narrated Abu Bakra: Allah's Apostle said: "The sun and the moon are two signs amongst the signs of Allah and they do not eclipse because of the death of someone but Allah frightens His devotees with them." (Sahih Bukhari: Book #18, Hadith #158)

Narrated Abu Bakra: The solar eclipse occurred while we were sitting with the Prophet He got up dragging his garment (on the ground) hurriedly till he reached the mosque The people turned (to the mosque) and he offered a two-Rak'at prayer whereupon the eclipse was over and he traced us and said, "The sun and the moon are two signs among the signs of Allah, so if you see a thing like this (eclipse) then offer the prayer and invoke Allah till He remove that state," (Sahih Bukhari: Book #72, Hadith #676)

Peace Innocent Soul


Thank you for the ahadeeths, for me they are very strange and they show the prophete Mohamed praying a special prayer when he saw the sun eclispe and did not pray Allah.

You are right we have to open a new thread about Islam and the relation with the Sabeen religion.

I can not open a thread because I am not authorized.


Peace.

Dear Sister Innocent soul


You brought those ahaadeths :



Narrated Abu Musa: The sun eclipsed and the Prophet got up, being afraid that it might be the Hour (i.e. Day of Judgment). He went to the Mosque and offered the prayer with the longest Qiyam, bowing and prostration that I had ever seen him doing. Then he said, "These signs which Allah sends do not occur because of the life or death of somebody, but Allah makes His worshipers afraid by them. So when you see anything thereof, proceed to remember Allah, invoke Him and ask for His forgiveness."(Sahih Bukhari: Book #18, Hadith #167)

Narrated Abu Bakra: Allah's Apostle said: "The sun and the moon are two signs amongst the signs of Allah and they do not eclipse because of the death of someone but Allah frightens His devotees with them." (Sahih Bukhari: Book #18, Hadith #158)

Narrated Abu Bakra: The solar eclipse occurred while we were sitting with the Prophet He got up dragging his garment (on the ground) hurriedly till he reached the mosque The people turned (to the mosque) and he offered a two-Rak'at prayer whereupon the eclipse was over and he traced us and said, "The sun and the moon are two signs among the signs of Allah, so if you see a thing like this (eclipse) then offer the prayer and invoke Allah till He remove that state," (Sahih Bukhari: Book #72, Hadith #676)



- The sun eclipsedand the Prophet got up, being afraid that it might be the Hour (i.e. Day of Judgment). He went to the Mosque and offered the prayer with the longest Qiyam, bowing and prostration that I had ever seen him doing


What he see in the ahaadeth, the prophete Mohamed offer the longuest prayer not to Allah but because he saw an eclipse.


Narrated Abu Bakra: The solar eclipse occurred while we were sitting with the Prophet He got up dragging his garment (on the ground) hurriedly till he reached the mosque The people turned (to the mosque) and he offered a two-Rak'at prayer whereupon the eclipse was over and he traced us and said, "The sun and the moon are two signs among the signs of Allah, so if you see a thing like this (eclipse) then offer the prayer and invoke Allah till He remove that state," (Sahih Bukhari: Book #72, Hadith #676)


- What we see again in the ahaadeth above that the prophete is saying when you see an eclipse offer a prayer for it not to Allah.Do not worry I do not feel offended



Peace.

format_quote Originally Posted by τhε ṿαlε'ṡ lïlÿ

how do you figure 'the sun and the moon are two signs from Allah' to mean to pray to something other than Allah?
I suppose that is the same logic employed to turn a man who said 'my father is greater than I' into a God?
love that christian logic or lack thereof!

best,

Peace Sister


In the Quran Allah says that :

41:37 Among His Signs are the Night and the Day, and the Sun and the Moon. Adore not the sun and the moon, but adore Allah, Who created them, if it is Him ye wish to serve.


In the ahaadeths above we have :

- The prophete Mohamed
- The eclipse

He prayed not because it was time of the prayer and he did not pray Allah but because he saw an eclipse ( Sun and moon)


Peace

format_quote Originally Posted by JOHNJOHN

Peace Sister


He prayed not because it was time of the prayer and he did not pray Allah but because he saw an eclipse ( Sun and moon)


Peace

What a stupid assertion! Every prayer in Islam is directed to Allah ALONE. No where does the Hadith say that the Prophet (PBUH) was praying to somebody else. The Prophet was praying a special prayer to ALLAH as he saw a phenomena of Almighty Allah that is the eclipse. To say that prayer, He went to Mosque and offered two rakat salah. The very Salat is started by pronouncing loudly 'ALLAHU AKBAR' that is God is the greatest. Moreover,(Sahih Bukhari: Book #72, Hadith #676) confirms that He was praying to ALLAH alone. Look at the underlined text below.

Narrated Abu Bakra: The solar eclipse occurred while we were sitting with the Prophet He got up dragging his garment (on the ground) hurriedly till he reached the mosque The people turned (to the mosque) and he offered a two-Rak'at prayer whereupon the eclipse was over and he traced us and said, "The sun and the moon are two signs among the signs of Allah, so if you see a thing like this (eclipse) then offer the prayer and invoke Allah till He remove that state," (Sahih Bukhari: Book #72, Hadith #676)

And there is NO rule that you can ONLY pray regular five times prayers. U can pray even more. Those five times a day prayer are FARD(Obligatory). But there are differnet types of Salah as well. See it here at:http://www.themeaningofislam.org/fiv...f_prayers.html

And here at:http://www.islam.com/salat/typesofprayers.htm

Some types of Salat is forbidden to pray at some special times. It is discussed here at : http://www.islamintro.8m.com/forbiddentimes.htm

So You were doing a whole lot completely anti-Islamic assumption to blame Islam.

format_quote Originally Posted by JOHNJOHN

Peace Sister


He prayed not because it was time of the prayer and he did not pray Allah but because he saw an eclipse ( Sun and moon)


Peace

What a stupid assertion! Every prayer in Islam is directed to Allah ALONE. No where does the Hadith say that the Prophet (PBUH) was praying to somebody else. The Prophet was praying a special prayer to ALLAH as he saw a phenomena of Almighty Allah that is the eclipse. To say that prayer, He went to Mosque and offered two rakat salah. The very Salat is started by pronouncing loudly 'ALLAHU AKBAR' that is God is the greatest. Moreover,(Sahih Bukhari: Book #72, Hadith #676) confirms that He was praying to ALLAH alone. Look at the underlined text below.

Narrated Abu Bakra: The solar eclipse occurred while we were sitting with the Prophet He got up dragging his garment (on the ground) hurriedly till he reached the mosque The people turned (to the mosque) and he offered a two-Rak'at prayer whereupon the eclipse was over and he traced us and said, "The sun and the moon are two signs among the signs of Allah, so if you see a thing like this (eclipse) then offer the prayer and invoke Allah till He remove that state," (Sahih Bukhari: Book #72, Hadith #676)

And there is NO rule that you can ONLY pray regular five times prayers. U can pray even more. Those five times a day prayer are FARD(Obligatory). But there are differnet types of Salah as well. See it here at wwwthemeaningofislamorg/five_pillars/salah/types_of_prayershtml

And here at:wwwislamcom/salat/typesofprayershtm

Some types of Salat is forbidden to pray at some special times. It is discussed here at : wwwislamintro8mcomforbiddentimeshtm

Please google the links and visit from there.

So You were doing a whole lot of completely anti-Islamic assumption to blame Islam.

format_quote Originally Posted by JOHNJOHN

He prayed not because it was time of the prayer and he did not pray Allah but because he saw an eclipse ( Sun and moon)


Peace

What a stupid assertion! Every prayer in Islam is directed to Allah ALONE. No where does the Hadith say that the Prophet (PBUH) was praying to somebody else. The Prophet was praying a special prayer to ALLAH as he saw a phenomena of Almighty Allah that is the eclipse. To say that prayer, He went to Mosque and offered two rakat salah. The very Salat is started by pronouncing loudly 'ALLAHU AKBAR' that is God is the greatest. Moreover,(Sahih Bukhari: Book #72, Hadith #676) confirms that He was praying to ALLAH alone. Look at the underlined text below.

Narrated Abu Bakra: The solar eclipse occurred while we were sitting with the Prophet He got up dragging his garment (on the ground) hurriedly till he reached the mosque The people turned (to the mosque) and he offered a two-Rak'at prayer whereupon the eclipse was over and he traced us and said, "The sun and the moon are two signs among the signs of Allah, so if you see a thing like this (eclipse) then offer the prayer and invoke Allah till He remove that state," (Sahih Bukhari: Book #72, Hadith #676)

And there is NO rule that you can ONLY pray regular five times prayers. U can pray even more. Those five times a day prayer are FARD(Obligatory). But there are different types of Salah as well.

So, your accusation was based on a completely anti-Islamic assumption.