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Is the prophet pbuh hazir nazir? All seeing and all knowing?

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    Is the prophet pbuh hazir nazir? All seeing and all knowing? (OP)


    My friend says that there's a verse in Qur'an that says "We have made you (muhammed saw) a witness over them untill the day of resurection" and he said this is proof that the prophet pbuh can see us and is present and if we deny this then we are kafur because we reject the verse.

    I said to him but this Allah's attribute alone, but then he said well that's what Allah says in Qur'an.

    If anyone has a good book on this topic refuting all the verses that they bring forth to proove this claim I would be grateful. No doubt he is just pcking verses and not looking at the tafseer behind them or proper interpretation. he said he will get me referenes for the verses.

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    Re: Is the prophet pbuh hazir nazir? All seeing and all knowing?

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    I do not like repeating myself but you really make it hard for me to reply and scrutiny your respond. The reason for this is as stated previous about scattering same and similar points all over rather then having a more formatted reply.

    Now can u show me in arabic or english where exactly does in that ayah it says they ARE HAZIR NAZIR , as i explained earlier that Hazir nazir Means PRESNET and Watching. Or where does in this ayah we are informed that he gets to know some of the unseen by Alah aftre He sala lahu alihi wa sallam departed us and is in his life of barzakh


    Read my previous post and my belief will become very apparent, which is far from saying the Prophet is hadir and nazir.

    Also you raised the point that the Prophet being alive does not insinuate that he receives some knowledge of the unseen. You went to the extent that you claimed I was assigning meanings which were not befitting. Where did I ever hint at this? Rather I provided proof regarding the fact that they are alive and then further said they receive knowledge of the unseen whiles in their Grave. If you came to a misleading notion then this is upon your head and not mines.


    Again brother , the topic of this thread was hazir nazir , which some people here dodged and changed it to knowledge of unseen , which can be partially proved, while hazir nazir cannot ever be proved in any way whatsoever. so result , lets prove that the Prophet sala lahu alihi wa sallam did get some knowledge of unseen inhis life so this proves he is still getting knowledge of unseen after he has passed away?? ,but the texts only prove he is alive and geting our salam and sustinance and belssings from his lord. This is where the evidece stops but u made taweel of it to claim that if he can get sustinance he can ALSO get knwoledge of unseen , which u ASSUMED without any exclusive evidence. So u are saying He sala lahu alihi wa sallam CAN , and COULD N MIGHT , i say this is not how deen is , matters of aqeedah do not revolve aroound could and should and might rather we need affirmed and exclusive rexts from quran n sunnah.


    The thread was hazir and nazir but I did not dodge anything rather I shed light upon the fact the Prophet receives knowledge of the unseen. The motive behind this decision was many people mix the two up and don’t differentiate. Now to address the second point which you made was that I assume without any evidence and do not stop where the Quran stops. This is a very big accusation on another person so please be carful when attributing such words to a person especially when done unrightfully.

    It’s very amazing and clear that you either skim through my reply or you simply don’t bother reading my respond as you come to many fallacies.

    If you actually spent your time in reading the proofs I quoted you would have came across the quote below:

    “My life is a great good for you, you will relate about me and it will be related to you, and my death is a great good for you, your actions will be exhibited to me………”


    The narration explicitly states that after the Prophets death our actions will be exhibited to him. This is enough to prove my point and refute your attempt of responding back. Looks like you need to implement your own “Jewels of Wisdom” in relation to stopping where the religious text stop. The above narration is enough to negate the point you tried establishing about the Prophet not receiving some knowledge of the unseen in his blessed grave.


    This is how the ayah was understood by the Prophet and sahaba


    Brother you do not even understand points raised by me accurately and you are conveying to me how the Prophet and the companions understood the texts? At least make it believable.

    And as far as brevlis go , will u agree that their heads in our time are
    sheikh ul islam tahir ul qadri and ilyas qadri the ameer of ahle sunnet.right?


    Please don’t attribute such a honorable title like “Sheikh Ul Islam” to the likes of Tahir ul qadri. Actually the Brelvis heads warn against Tahir ul Qadri and have even issued books against him concerning his misguidance. Sheikh Ilyas Qadri is a real follower of Imam Raza Khan Brelvis (May Allah raise his rank). Just to clarify I don’t follow none of the aforementioned incase one thinks I am being biased towards certain individuals.

    Seeking forgiveness , help , assisatance , problem solving, jannah , is not from the Prophet sala lahu alihi wa sallam , raher its from ALLAH Alone , we canot ask anyone besides him.

    except for what is under the asbaab , like i just asked my mom for lunch and my uncle for some money , but when they are not here with me, like if my mom passes away u will never see me at her grave asking her for breakfast , and as far as problem like finaicail or anyother diffciculties go , yes i can ask the creation that are around me and have the ability to help me like i just asked my uncle for some money , but if he was to die as a martyr , and i know he is alive with his lord getting his sustinance and not dead i still wont go to his grave and ask him for a couple of thousand dirhams.


    You once again expose your ill understanding of the word worship as simply asking through someone is far from Shrik. The example you gave is extremely weak and does not negate the issue which you are trying to refute. If you want to we can elaborate upon this issue on another thread. The reason for this is because I want to stick to the subject matter on this thread which seems rational.


    It does not , It was the taweel u did to prove something that the ayah does not prove, this was my point , this is always the way of the people of innovation , they take one ayah that proves one thing and then do taweel of it and make it prove something that has notthing to do with it , nor does it in any way means what they make it mean. So outwardly they bring u quran and hadeeth but what their chests conceal is bigger , وما يخفى صدورهم اكبر

    Alhamdulillah you are 100% right as this is the methodology of the people of misguidance.

    This was the way of a man in the past called Ibn Taymiyah. This man declared Abdullah the son of Umar Ibn Al Khattab who was praised by the Prophet in a hadith from the route of Hafsa (the daughter of Umar Ibn Al Khattab) about her brother Umar that the Prophet said about him “Abdullah the son of Umar is a righteous man” as a kafir. The basis for the accusation was that Ibn Taymiyah said "The actions he done of praying in the places where the prophet prayed in between Makka and Madina" Abdullah was doing this in order of seeking blessing from the traces of the Prophet, Regarding the action done by this man "It is a reason to have associated a partner to Allah". (Iqtida al Sirat al Mustaqeem).

    He also said the lady Fatimah had certain attributes of a hypocrite and made other crazy accusation against great companions.


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