List of common Bid'ah (innovations), with evidences

Brother. Okay. We will not argue about this for much longer

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Insha Allah

But I believe that showing both sides of the coin is important.

if a scholar holds a veiw to be strong the why should he show both sides? i mean is it a must?

As for Shaykh Nasir's position in hadith it is known to everyone. Shaykh Bin Baz and Ibn Jibreen do not carry the same weight in jarh wa ta'dilWhich is why you will find people saying, 'Albani said sahih', 'Albani said Da'if', 'Albani said mursal jayyid'...

naam shaykh albani was a great muhadith and i believe it was shaykh muqbil who said if the shaykh (albani) says a hadith to be weak then more then likly it is meaning he really studied a hadith and wont class it weak unless he is certain Insha Allah

....but not a single example in the books of hadith where you will read/hear that 'Bin Baz said sahih/da'if'...or Ibn Jibrin said 'such-and-such about this hadith'

the point here is what akhi? akhi they see the ahadith as weak as do many scholars old and new since they dont have a book of ahadith is that suppose to stop them?

.........My opinion is that the virtue of this night as a night of forgiveness is established.

this is your opinion

Secondly since it comes in the ayyam-e-beed and it is a night of forgiveness keeping a fast is mustahabb.

naam akhi and this scholars such as ibn uthaymeen ibn baz fowzan all say this as well if it is a practiice you do then u should do it becasue u are not singling the 15th out rather you are fasting 13 14 15 of all months hence it is just like that and you should do it

Thirdly a person has the right to as much infiraadi(personal) ibada' that he wants to do in this night seeking Allah's favour and forgiveness. WS.

naam if that is what he does so long as he doesnt single out that day akhi that is the point me personal im a nobody but shayak albani says the hadith is sahih with many other scholars but again no where in this hadith does it mentioned to stay up or to single this night out akhi so in short if it is a custom then go for it if you are doing it becasue it is the 15th of shaban then this is no longer permissable and now is a bidah..... there are many scholars of old and of our days who say the ahadith are weak

If the evidence that the scholar offers is weak and he ignores the most important part of the daleel, then his fatwa can be flawed as shown earlier.

akhi the shaykh said there is no Authentic daleel meaning he finds them to be weak correct so hence his fatwa is not flawed in this case i can say those you have mentioned flawed becasue others say the hadith is weak and the say its not akhi this is ilm and not only the shaykh ibn baz says they are weak Albani himself says and most of them say it is weak in the same place he says it is sahih and shaykh albani also considers singling out that night in worship as bidah

It seems that it did not stop them. Either their knowledge is not all that it is hyped to be or they were following an agenda.

can u explain what u mean here
if you mean he does have books on ahadith well akhi not all scholars some speical in other things and work on other matters akhi doesnt change the fact that the shaykh is a very knowledgeable shaykh and to be considered one of the great scholars of our times

Yes. It is my opinion based on the sahih hadith.

yes akhi a sahih hadith to you and shyakh albani and other scholars alhumdulillah then take it but to other scholars this hadith is weak

Not necessarily all months. See the section of Sahih Muslim which is specific to the month of Shaban that I have posted.

my point was if it was a habit for example you fasted every 13th 14th 15th or every monday and thursday or you fast most of shaban like the prophet did then this is fine and we all know that the prophet fast alot in shaban and it is good to but not to make A DAY IN SHABAN singled out for the prophet didnt do that

As I said, it is a night of forgiveness. You choose how you want to spend this night, sleeping or worshipping. The choice is yours.

it is better to pray on this day just like it is better to pray on anyother day it is mustahab to pray alqiyam every night not becasue it is the 15th sole puprse


Insha Allah i will reply to your other post later on tonite or tomorrow morning but remeber this if we differ in a matter we return it to Allah and rasool Allah Insha Allah

Imam Shurunbulali Hanafi writes:

وندب احياء ليالي العشر الاخبر من رمضان واحياء ليلتي العيدين وليالي عشر زي الحجة وليلة النصف من شعبان

Tr: It is desirable to revive the last ten nights of Ramadan, two nights of Eidain (Eid ul-Fitr and Eid ul-Adha), ten nights of Zil Hijjah, and the 15th night of Sha`ban. [Nur ul iddah Page No. 63]


Shaikh Abu Ishaq Ibrahim Al-Hanbali writes:

ويستحب احيا مابين العشانين الخبر قال جماعة و ليلة عاشورا وليلة اول رجب وليلة نصف شعبان

Tr: It is desirable to revive the time (with salat and ibadah) between the two E’sha’s (Maghrib and E’sha) because of the ahadith. Many scholars say: Similarly with the night of Ashura, the first night of Rajab, and the 15th night of Sha`ban. [Al-Mubdi’ Volume 002, Page No. 27]

Sheikh Mansoor Bahuti Hanbali writes:

واما ليلة النصف من شعبان ففيها فضل وكان في السلف من يصلي فيها الاجتماح فيها لا حيانهافي المساجد بدعة اه وفئ استحباب قيامها اي ليلة النصف من شعبان مافئ احياء ليلة العيد

Tr: As for the 15th night of Sha`ban, it is a night of virtue. Some of the salaf prayed the whole night, although establishing congregational prayers (on this night) is good innovation. And the reward of ibadah on "the 15th night of Sha`ban" is the same as the reward of ibadah on the night of E’id. [Kash-shaful Qina, Volume 001: Page No. 444]

first i would like to say if a scholar has ijtihad and is wrong he is rewared 1 hasan
as for the rest of this saying well where is the prophet where is the prophet said we know that good times to make dua is between adahan and iqamah we know that the thrid part of the night is a time dua is answered we know the an hour on friday also when drinking zamzam and the night of qadr and when raining , a travler , a parent for his kid on the day of arafat in ramadon when breaking fast and the list goes on all this are good times to make dua why becasue we have athaar we have sunnah we have ahadith to say so now where is the adalial for nifs shaban akhi

‘Abd al rahmaan Mubarakpuri as Salafi writes:

‏اعلم أنه قد ورد في فضيلة ليلة النصف من شعبان عدة أحاديث مجموعها يدل على أن لها أصلا

Tr: You should know that a sufficient number of hadith has been narrated confirming "the virtues of the 15th night of Sha`ban". All these ahadith prove that it has a basis.

After relating many Ahadith about the importance of this night he says:

فهذه الأحاديث بمجموعها حجة على من زعم أنه لم يثبت في فضيلة ليلة النصف من شعبان شيء والله تعالى أعلم

Tr: The sum of all these ahadith is strong evidence against the one "who thinks there is no proof" of the virtue of the 15th night of Sha`ban" and Allah knows best. [Tuhfat ul Ahwadhi Sharh Sunan Tirmidhi, Volume 003: Page. 365-367]

alhumdulillah we have went over this akhi there are scholars who say it has its goods due to a hadith they find authentic may Allah reward them but lets also remeber that no were does this hadith indicate singling out this night in worship --- now lets say you say this hadith is sahih and you fast most of shaban and u pray most nights for qiyam and the 15th comes and you do the same but you are more sincer this night and have more khuso becasue of this hadith alhumdulillah but to single out this day is a bidah

Imam Ibn Taymiyyah was asked about of the 15th night of Sha’ban. He replied:

اما ليلة النصف روئ فئ فضلهااحاديث واثار ونقل عن طانفتهمن السلف انهم كانوايصلون فيها فصلاة الرجل فيها وحده وقد تقدمه فيه سلف فيه حجته فلا ينكرمثل هزا

Tr: As for the 15th night of Shabaan, there are many narrations and Athar regarding its virtue. It has been reported of the salaf that they prayed in this night. Therefore, praying alone on this night, having precedence in the salaf, is sufficient evidence and something of this kind surely cannot be denied.

the first sentence akhi we went over already alhumdulillah... the salaf prayed most of shaban and other then shaban praying qiyam is mustahab so why should they not this night see if you see what the shaykh says he says praying alone has been done by the salaf so we should do it to do to the fact they use to pray it like the prayed every night no where does it say they singled out this night and if you read below more detailed insha Allah

At another occasion, Ibn Taymiyyah was asked the same question and he replied:

وسنل عن صلاة نصف شعبان فاجاب ازا صلئ الانسان ليلة النصف وحده اوفئ جماعته خاصته كما كان يفل جماعته خاصته كما كان يفعل طوانف من السلف فهواحسن

Tr: If one prays on this night alone or in a select company of people as many groups amongst the salaf did, "then it is good". [Fatawa Ibn Taymiyyah Volume 23, Page 131-132]

see akhi if you were to read the rest of the fatwa the same one there is only one more sentence
وأما الاجتماع في المساجد على صلاة مقدرة . كالاجتماع على مائة ركعة بقراءة ألف : { قل هو الله أحد } دائما . فهذا بدعة لم يستحبها أحد من الأئمة . والله أعلم
if you can translte it that will be nice but you see here he says if you go to misjid or do other acts basicly that u dont usually do it is a bidah so what im saying is that if they did it they did it every night hence it most nights so it isnt single out that night

It is also bid'ah to say "Jumah Mubarak!" as neither the Prophet, sal Allahu alayhi wa salam, nor his companions said that. As stated by Saudi Sheikh al-Hakeem.

naam sis it is

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Salam

Brother but this isn't an act of worship is it? They did not do it with the hope that they will gain rewards. You are interpreting the term bidah all wrong. If it were an innovation with the intent of gaining reward then that is deemed a sin. This wasn't an act of worship just merely preserving the holy words of Allah. Making it more accessible for the ummah.

Here are a few bidah's I came across in masajids I used to go to when I was naive...

1. Congregational dua (or the fact that they make it compulsory and perform it after every single salaat, some hurry through their salaat to join in on the dua, which is best done individually anyway)
2. 15th Shaaban
3. Milad-un-nabi (which can be compared to shirk seeing as many believe that the prophet (pbuh) is alive and he will be in our presence if we perform this act, and therefore we make dua to him instead of Allah (swt)
4. Verbal intention before prayer (naayitual nussalliya lillahi tahlaaa..... intention is in the heart it doesn't need to be made verbal, when you are going to eat you don't make a verbal intention now do u?)
5. wearing of the hat is compulsury but beard is voluntary (thought of general public not the mosques themselves)
6. on jummah they do a lecture/sermon first in the local language (note this is not the khutbah) Then they go on to do the kutbah in arabic even though no one understands it (they believe doing the kutbah itself in the local language is not allowed)
7. placing a death stone in the graveyard to ID the dead person.
8. grave worship - making dua facing the graves = grave worship im afraid.

These ones are of the top of my head, and im sure sadly they still exist in these mosques. I go to a salafi masajid now, and alhamdullillah I feel the sukoon, peace and fullfillment of my daily prayers now because none of these innovations exist.

Salaam

Your saying that collecting the Quran in a book from is not an act of worship - You dont think the Sahaba will get rewarded for that??

Some of those 10 points without doubt have difference of opnion if you look outside the salafi ulema Shaban, the milad for example.

Points 4,5 and 6 or well minor issues - 6 people need a lecture and its not part of Kuthba - but people need warnings and speeches of hope in there own language - sadly Jummah is sometimes only when Muslims come to the masjid.
7 is a dunya issue - I dont think putting a gravestone for ID is an act of worship?

Some of those 10 points without doubt have difference of opnion if you look outside the salafi ulema Shaban, the milad for example.

akhi we dont look for ikhtilaf we look for haqq and what the prophet and compains didnt do and we do as an act of worship is bidah

Points 4,5 and 6 or well minor issues - 6 people need a lecture and its not part of Kuthba - but people need warnings and speeches of hope in there own language - sadly Jummah is sometimes only when Muslims come to the masjid.

as of four even if some say it is permissable they are wrong it is a bidah and if you would like i can show you what many scholars say about this as for 5 this is also not right to say that the sunnah act is wajib and the wajib act is sunnah this is ignorant akhi and the daleels shows those who say it are wrong as for 6 Allah knows best

7 is a dunya issue - I dont think putting a gravestone for ID is an act of worship?

naam akhi it is permissable so long as there is no writing on it what so ever according to scholars and Allah knows best see akhi if the haqq is with even one scholar and the rest are against it we take the haqq and the haqq is not the scholar himself rather it is his proof

Question: Some people place a sign with a big stone made of marble or some other specific sign to indicate the grave of the deceased so as to facilitate future visits without doubt as to the location of the grave.
Response: There is no harm in placing a large stone as an indicator by which the grave can be identified during (future) visits. This is because the Messenger (sal-Allaahu `alayhe wa sallam) did this with the grave of 'Uthmaan (obviously not 'Uthmaan ibn 'Affaan - who died after the Messenger (sal-Allaahu `alayhe wa sallam) himself).
Shaykh Ibn Fowzaan
Fataawa li Ahlil-Mayyit - Question 29, Page 32
al-Muntaqaa min Fataawa al-Fowzaan - Volume 1, Page 194

Abdullaah ibn Umar (RA) states, "every innovation is misguidance, even if the people regard it as good." (ad-Daarimee)

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