Re: Are djinns still in toilets/bathrooms if they are cleaned?
format_quote Originally Posted by TDWT
I was wondering, since nowadays people clean their toilets and bathrooms, do djinn still live in there?
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Well - unless you believe that a toilet/bathroom detergent can chase a Jinn away, then your answer will be "no they are not here".
The Jinn still are in toilets which is exactly why you still read the dua before going to the toilet.
Even if you believe that the toilet was clean and by some magic detergent and they exited the place, then logically, once you start to urinate and defecate they will return. So either way - the dua will be applicable before going to the toilet.
Re: Are djinns still in toilets/bathrooms if they are cleaned?
That was a good point. So we are then sure that the toilet door stops jinns and area outside of the toilet isn´t inpure? I suppose we are thinking like that.
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Re: Are djinns still in toilets/bathrooms if they are cleaned?
Old toilets were just a hole on the ground with a room over it (if you were lucky to have that). This means that all the nasties stayed there to decompose and the entire area surrounding that room smelled terribly so they had to be very far from the house. How do I know this? Because those toilets still exist in places without plumbing and I have visited. Try waking up at night with just the moonlight to light your way far far away from the house.... into a dark room that smells.... jinn written all over it.
It is said that a toilet of today is cleaner than someone's mouth that's assuming people clean their toilet though. I've seen some pretty gross toilets.
Also, remember that you flush everything away.
I'm not saying Jinn don't hang around at your toilet, but it isn't the same as what used to be a toilet back in the day.
Re: Are djinns still in toilets/bathrooms if they are cleaned?
format_quote Originally Posted by Umm♥Layth
Old toilets were just a hole on the ground with a room over it (if you were lucky to have that). This means that all the nasties stayed there to decompose and the entire area surrounding that room smelled terribly so they had to be very far from the house. How do I know this? Because those toilets still exist in places without plumbing and I have visited. Try waking up at night with just the moonlight to light your way far far away from the house.... into a dark room that smells.... jinn written all over it.
It is said that a toilet of today is cleaner than someone's mouth that's assuming people clean their toilet though. I've seen some pretty gross toilets.
Also, remember that you flush everything away.
I'm not saying Jinn don't hang around at your toilet, but it isn't the same as what used to be a toilet back in the day.
Sister, you managed to cook up some good points of consideration mashaAllah, exactly what I hoped someone would do with the comparison I left respect.
Re: Are djinns still in toilets/bathrooms if they are cleaned?
format_quote Originally Posted by Umm♥Layth
Old toilets were just a hole on the ground with a room over it...
It is said that a toilet of today is cleaner than someone's mouth that's assuming people clean their toilet though. I've seen some pretty gross toilets.
Also, remember that you flush everything away.
I'm not saying Jinn don't hang around at your toilet, but it isn't the same as what used to be a toilet back in the day.
There are two things that come into play, cleanliness and impurity.
Restrooms are places of filth, even if it is flushed away and all. It is a place to do such business. And it is a place of impurity. A place of defecation is an impure place.
Would you do salah in the restroom even if it is spotless? No, not even dhikr or mention the name Allah is permissible there.
The hadith relating to duas to recite before and after going to the toilet are for all times, squeaky clean toilets doesn't mean it's safe.
Jinns inhabit dirty and impure places, as well as abandoned and deserted places or places uninhabited by humans or places that invite jinns through unislamic acts.
Abu Dawood (6) and Ibn Maajah (296) narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “These toilets are visited (by jinn), so when any one of you goes to the toilet, let him say, ‘Allaahumma inni a’oodhu bika min al-khubthi wa’l-khabaa’ith (O Allaah, I seek refuge with You from evil and from the male and female devils).’” (Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Ibn Maajah, 241).
The word hushoosh, translated here as toilets, refers to places where people relieve themselves, and it includes the “water closets” that are in people’s houses.
“Visited (by jinn)” means that they are frequented by the devils, with the intent to cause harm to people.
Re: Are djinns still in toilets/bathrooms if they are cleaned?
I believe in Islam the location is also important to some degree. If we look at other examples, we see that sometimes, the location is more important than the building, structure on that location.
For example, the location where the house of Amr bin hişam (Muhammed (sas)'s enemy) is now a huge toilet for all the Muslims on Hadj.
The structures of djamarat (stoning of the devil) originally three pillars, were torn down and replaced by three walls on the same location. this also indicates, that the structure or building on it is of less importance than the exact location.
so, once a location has been used as a toilet, you can not use it as a room for prayer...even if it is spotless.
Re: Are djinns still in toilets/bathrooms if they are cleaned?
format_quote Originally Posted by umie
I believe in Islam the location is also important to some degree. If we look at other examples, we see that sometimes, the location is more important than the building, structure on that location.
For example, the location where the house of Amr bin hişam (Muhammed (sas)'s enemy) is now a huge toilet for all the Muslims on Hadj.
The structures of djamarat (stoning of the devil) originally three pillars, were torn down and replaced by three walls on the same location. this also indicates, that the structure or building on it is of less importance than the exact location.
so, once a location has been used as a toilet, you can not use it as a room for prayer...even if it is spotless.
so, once a location has been used as a toilet, you can not use it as a room for prayer...even if it is spotless.
but if the place is no more used as toilet, so purified and masjid is constructed on the spot, then what....?
Never heard about toilet, but definitely it can be said about masjid
Re: Are djinns still in toilets/bathrooms if they are cleaned?
I do not know. I just mentioned some examples where location was more important than the building on it. maybe I am wrong, but I found that notable. I do not have hadith or verses to back my argument up.
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