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    [وَحَاقَ بِـَالِ فِرْعَوْنَ سُوءُ الْعَذَابِ]

    (while an evil torment encompassed Fir`awn's people.) this refers to drowning in the sea, then being transferred from there to Hell, for their souls are exposed to the Fire morning and evening until the Hour begins. When the Day of Resurrection comes, their souls and bodies will be reunited in Hell. Allah says:


    [وَيَوْمَ تَقُومُ السَّاعَةُ أَدْخِلُواْ ءَالَ فِرْعَوْنَ أَشَدَّ الْعَذَابِ]

    (And on the Day when the Hour will be established (it will be said to the angels): "Admit Fir`awn's people to the severest torment!'') meaning, more intense pain and greater agony. This Ayah contains one of the major proofs used by the Ahlus-Sunnah to prove that there will be torment in the grave during the period of Al-Barzakh; it is the phrase:


    [النَّارُ يُعْرَضُونَ عَلَيْهَا غُدُوّاً وَعَشِيّاً]


    (The Fire, they are exposed to it, morning and afternoon). But the question arises: this Ayah was undoubtedly revealed in Makkah, but they use it as evidence to prove that there will be torment in the grave during the period of Al-Barzakh. Imam Ahmad recorded from `A'ishah, may Allah be pleased with her, that a Jewish woman used to serve her, and whenever `A'ishah did her a favor, the Jewish woman would say, "May Allah save you from the torment of the grave. '' `A'ishah said, "Then the Messenger of Allah came in, and I said, `O Messenger of Allah, will there be any torment in the grave before the Day of Resurrection' He said,


    «لَا، مَنْ زَعَمَ ذَلِكَ؟»


    (No, who said that) I said, `This Jewish woman, whenever I do her a favor, she says: May Allah save you from the torment of the grave.''' The Messenger of Allah said,


    «كَذَبَتْ يَهُودُ وَهُمْ عَلَى اللهِ أَكْذَبُ، لَا عَذَابَ دُونَ يَوْمِ الْقِيَامَة»


    (The Jews are lying, and they tell more lies about Allah. There is no torment except on the Day of Resurrection.) Then as much time passed as Allah willed should pass, then one day he came out at midday, wrapped in his robe with his eyes reddening, calling at the top of his voice:


    «الْقَبْرُ كَقِطَع اللَّيْلِ الْمُظْلِمِ، أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ لَوْ تَعْلَمُونَ مَا أَعْلَمُ لَبَكَيْتُمْ كَثِيرًا وَضَحِكْتُمْ قَلِيلًا، أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ، اسْتَعِـــــــــيذُوا بِاللهِ مِنْ عَذَابِ الْقَبْرِ، فَإِنَّ عَذَابَ الْقَبْرِ حَق»


    (The grave is like patches of dark night! O people, if you knew what I know, you would weep much and laugh little. O people, seek refuge with Allah from the torment of the grave, for the torment of the grave is real.)'' This chain of narration is Sahih according to the conditions of Al-Bukhari and Muslim, although they did not record it. It was said, `how can this report be reconciled with the fact that the Ayah was revealed in Makkah and the Ayah indicates that there will be torment during the period of Al-Barzakh' The answer is that the Ayah refers to the souls (of Fir`awn and his people) being exposed to the Fire morning and evening; it does not say that the pain will affect their bodies in the grave. So it may be that this has to do specifically with their souls. With regard to there being any effect on their bodies in Al-Barzakh, and their feeling pain as a result, this is indicated in the Sunnah, in some Hadiths which we will mention below. It was said that this Ayah refers to the punishment of the disbelievers in Al-Barzakh, and that it does not by itself imply that the believer will be punished in the grave for his sins. This is indicated by the Hadith recorded by Imam Ahmad from `A'ishah, may Allah be pleased with her, according to which the Messenger of Allah entered upon `A'ishah when a Jewish woman was with her, and she (the Jewish woman) was saying, "I was told that you will be tried in the grave.'' The Messenger of Allah was worried and said:


    «إِنَّمَا يُفْتَنُ يَهُود»


    (Only the Jews will be tested.) `A'ishah, may Allah be pleased with her, said, "Several nights passed, then the Messenger of Allah said:


    «أَلَا إِنَّكُمْ تُفْتَنُونَ فِي الْقُبُور»


    (Verily you will be tested in the graves.)'' `A'ishah, may Allah be pleased with her, said, "After that, the Messenger of Allah used to seek refuge with Allah from the torment of the grave.'' This was also recorded by Muslim. It could be said that this Ayah indicates that the souls will be punished in Al-Barzakh, but this does not necessarily imply that the bodies in their graves will be affected by that. When Allah revealed something about the torment of the grave to His Prophet , he sought refuge with Allah from that. And Allah knows best. The Hadiths which speak of the torment of the grave are very many. Qatadah said, concerning the Ayah,


    [غُدُوّاً وَعَشِيّاً]


    (morning and afternoon.): "(This means) every morning and every evening, for as long as this world remains, it will be said to them by way of rebuke and humiliation, O people of Fir`awn, this is your position.'' Ibn Zayd said, "They are there today, being exposed to it morning and evening, until the Hour begins.


    [وَيَوْمَ تَقُومُ السَّاعَةُ أَدْخِلُواْ ءَالَ فِرْعَوْنَ أَشَدَّ الْعَذَابِ]

    (And on the Day when the Hour will be established (it will be said to the angels): "Cause Fir`awn's people to enter the severest torment!'') The people of Fir`awn are like foolish camels, stumbling into rocks and trees without thinking.'' Imam Ahmad recorded that Ibn `Umar, may Allah be pleased with him, said, "The Messenger of Allah said:


    «إِنَّ أَحَدَكُمْ إِذَا مَاتَ عُرِضَ عَلَيْهِ مَقْعَدُهُ بِالْغَدَاةِ وَالْعَشِيِّ، إِنْ كَانَ مِنْ أَهْلِ الْجَنَّةِ فَمِنْ أَهْلِ الْجَنَّةِ، وَإِنْ كَانَ مِنْ أَهْلِ النَّارِ فَمِنْ أَهْلِ النَّارِ، فَيُقَالُ: هذَا مَقْعَدُكَ حَتْى يَبْعَثَكَ اللهُ عَزَّ وَجَلَّ إِلَيْهِ يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَة»

    (When one of you dies, he is shown his place [in Paradise or Hell] morning and evening; if he is one of the people of Paradise, then he is one of the people of Paradise, and if he is one of the people of Hell, then he is one of the people of Hell. It will be said to him, this is your place until Allah resurrects you to go to it on the Day of Resurrection.)'' It was also reported in the Two Sahihs.


    [وَإِذْ يَتَحَآجُّونَ فِى النَّـارِ فَيَقُولُ الضُّعَفَاءُ لِلَّذِينَ اسْتَكْـبَرُواْ إِنَّا كُنَّا لَكُمْ تَبَعاً فَهَلْ أَنتُم مُّغْنُونَ عَنَّا نَصِيباً مِّنَ النَّارِ - قَالَ الَّذِينَ اسْتَكْبَرُواْ إِنَّا كُلٌّ فِيهَآ إِنَّ اللَّهَ قَدْ حَكَمَ بَيْنَ الْعِبَادِ - وَقَالَ الَّذِينَ فِى النَّارِ لِخَزَنَةِ جَهَ
    نَّمَ ادْعُواْ رَبَّكُمْ يُخَفِّفْ عَنَّا يَوْماً مِّنَ الْعَذَابِ - قَالُواْ أَوَلَمْ تَكُ تَأْتِيكُمْ رُسُلُكُم بِالْبَيِّنَـتِ قَالُواْ بَلَى قَالُواْ فَادْعُواْ وَمَا دُعَاءُ الْكَـفِرِينَ إِلاَّ فِى ضَلَـلٍ ]

    (47. And, when they will dispute in the Fire, the weak will say to those who were arrogant: "Verily, we followed you, can you then take from us some portion of the Fire'') (48. Those who were arrogant will say: "We are all (together) in this (Fire)! Verily, Allah has judged between (His) servants!'') (49. And those in the Fire will say to the keepers (angels) of Hell: "Call upon your Lord to lighten for us the torment for a day!'') (50. They will say: "Did there not come to you, your Messengers with (clear) evidences'' They will say: "Yes.'' They will reply: "Then call (as you like)! And the invocation of the disbelievers is nothing but in vain!'')

    There are many ahadeeth that confirm the exsistence of torment in the grave. An nawawee said in the "sharh shaheeh muslim": "You should know that Ahlus Sunnah believe in the torment of the grave. The Quran mentions it in many places, such as in the verse: " The fire; they are exposed to it, morning and afternoon." Futhermore, a number of authentic ahaadeth, reported by more than one of the prophets companions, provide further proof of its exsistence. It is not against reason that Allah should return life to a part of the body and torment it. What is accepted by reason and confirmed by Shariah should be accepted and believe in it" (Shaheeh muslim Bisharh an-Nawawee)

    There is more i could provide, but this is enough. This is why my beloved brothers and sisters, we should not take are akaal over the nakal. Shaving ones beard and reading the times and guardin instead of the quran and sunnah, leads one to strange conclusions. May Allah guide us all. aameen - Proof of the Torment of the Grave
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    Re: Proof of the Torment of the Grave

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    format_quote Originally Posted by A_Way_Of_Life View Post
    The other day when I was posting in this forum I typed the word "Subhanallah" on google to see if I spelled it right and I went on google images and I got the same picture, but it is just like I said, I only got a quick peek at it. I am really scared of that picture, but wait a second, there are two guys who were found to be punished in the grave? I thought it was just one guy I am so confused.

    I don't want to see any of them again, the descriptions of the punishment of the grave enough for me.
    Yeh, thats wat i did (xcept i wanted sumthing subhanallah in ANOTHER way) i could keep staring at that pic tho, (actually i did) nd i fink it should stay ther for everyone else who decides to google subhanallah! and quit music *cough......seriously if u ever bout to listen to music or something just google that and stare at it till ur heart loses the urge to listen to it! works like magiccccccc.

    I've read descriptions of teh grave, wher they say they take rocks nd crack ur head opened like them bein stoned peoples, and when they take hooks and "play" with your eyes and nose nd mouth...and i think u get it..and way worse stuff for every punishment. but for sum reason it never changed me.......i gues i go with proof in images
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    Re: Proof of the Torment of the Grave

    Are those stories about those two boys real? Those two stories sound too similar mainly because they were both dug up after three hours.
    The Punishment of The Grave is a scary subject for me. I usually read more about the punishment of the Grave then the pleasure of the grave for some reason.

    Thinking about the punishments of Allah (SWT) does help many people keep away from some sins.

    I like reading the story of Ahmad that is posted on these forums.


    May Allah (SWT) protect us all from the Torment of the Grave and the Torment of the Fire.

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    Re: Proof of the Torment of the Grave

    hell yeh they real, and they both got two different pictures, the one about the yemeni dude is got video too, which sho his body smokin....
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    Re: Proof of the Torment of the Grave

    format_quote Originally Posted by - Serene - View Post


    ^ I am not denying that it was the punishment of the grave. Nor do I, for a second, doubt it was. All I am saying is, our faith in such things should not come from 'seeing evidence', rather it should be fixed within our hearts via Imaan.
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    Re: Proof of the Torment of the Grave

    but its seen
    i seen, i been a foot close, i felt (and wont again) and i regret.......................
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    Re: Proof of the Torment of the Grave

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    25:36 And the true servants of the Most Merciful are those who walk the earth with humility and when the ignorant address them, they respond with words of peace.
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    Re: Proof of the Torment of the Grave

    I searched for the pics on google and just saw them and undersood all the hoopla going around about this boy. It really is scary and a great reminder for all the believers to have sabr in their pursuit.

    And anyway Rasoolullah (sallallahu alayhiwasallam) warned us about the punishment of the grave and he also said that whoever reads/recites Surah Mulk every night wil be saved from the punishment of the grave.
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    Re: Proof of the Torment of the Grave

    Thats Surah # 67, Surah Mulk
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    Re: Proof of the Torment of the Grave


    format_quote Originally Posted by thetruth2009 View Post
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    The proof of the torment in grave is already given in the first post in this thread http://www.islamicboard.com/24087-post1.html from the Quran.

    Are you trying to say you believe in a part of the Quran, and disbelieve in other parts of the Quran?
    Then is it only a part of the Book that ye believe in, and do ye reject the rest? but what is the reward for those among you who behave like this but disgrace in this life?- and on the Day of Judgment they shall be consigned to the most grievous penalty. For Allah is not unmindful of what ye do. [2:85]

    Punishment of the grave is also mentioned clearly in the Ahadeeth. Read post #9 of this thread.
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