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    The Concept of Intercession in Islam (OP)



    Some traditional views among many Muslims regarding intercession, based on books written by some earlier humans under cover of hadith literature, are: Muhammed (pbuh) was the first creation of Allah from his own light and the rest of the creation was for his sake. He was the greatest of the prophets and he earned his prophethood even when Adam (pbuh) was between clay and water. He (Muhammed) is the best friend of Allah. Adam (pbuh) was forgiven by Allah for the sake of Muhammed (pbuh). None will go to paradise without intercession of Muhammed (pbuh).
    Through the invention of the above lies, as will be apparent from the following discussion, most people under the misguidance of a large number of miscreant scholars have practically rejected the Quran, however much they read it in beautiful tune without understanding the meaning. They do not doubt that the Quran, which Mohammed (pbuh) himself has taught us, contain words of Allah only; but by their strict adherence to the false hadiths, that glaringly contradict the Quran, they practically deny most of the cardinal verses of the Quran in their actions. They have instituted worship of Muhammed (pbuh) in Islam as its main foundation and they preach through their speeches and writings that invoking Allah alone is never enough; He is dependent on Muhammed (pbuh) and other saintly people -- dead or alive -- for His decisions, so one must praise Muhammed (pbuh) along with Allah and seek Allah’s help for his sake as well as for the sake of other good people, dead or alive. Thus, they have actually turned Islam today into a polytheist religion with the belief that Allah is the supreme God and Muhammed (pbuh) and other saintly people (dead or alive) are their intercessors to Allah. Most of the Muslims of the present day world are polytheists; but their polytheism is not very visible everywhere because their polytheist activities consist mainly of their supplications to Allah made through their imagined intercessors.

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    Re: The Concept of Intercession in Islam

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    format_quote Originally Posted by Fi_Sabilillah View Post

    The people will come to me, and I will prostrate myself underneath Allah's Throne. Then I will be addressed: 'O Muhammad! Raise your head; intercede, for your intercession will be accepted, and ask (for anything). for you will be given.

    One who obeys Allah and His prophet Muhammed (pbuh) cannot believe this as the words of Muhammed (pbuh) who himself has brought the Quran to us, while the said story denies many cardinal verses of the Quran; and what is he who denies a verse of Quran?

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    Re: The Concept of Intercession in Islam

    format_quote Originally Posted by M H Kahn View Post

    One who obeys Allah and His prophet Muhammed (pbuh) cannot believe this as the words of Muhammed (pbuh) who himself has brought the Quran to us, while the said story denies many cardinal verses of the Quran; and what is he who denies a verse of Quran?



    That is an authentic Hadith as it appears in Sahih Bukhari. What the hadith is talking about is the time before the Day of Qiyamah has started. The intercession mentioned in this Hadith is the intercession the Prophet will do for all of mankind, the one where he will intercede on behalf all of mankind for Allah to start the Judging.

    Know that the Quran and the Hadiths have talked about intercession. YOu are taking an extreme view, while in the old thread another extreme view was presented. (Invoking others beside Allah thread). The correct path is the middle path between both extremes.

    Intercession will occur, but ONLY when Allah has permitted it and ONLY those he has permitted as intercessors. Therefore all intercession belongs to Allah and on that Day He will tell those who He has chosen to intercede, to intercede, and He will tell them who they can intercede for. Therefore, the question arises, 'If Allah will tell people to intercede, then tell them WHO they can intercede for, what is the purpose of this intercession?' The answer is simple, Allah wills to raise thier status on that Day so he grants them this honor.

    I really recommend you to look at the links i provided in the pervious posts and listen to the lecture by Yasir Qadhi to the corresponding chapter on Intercession.

    The Concept of Intercession in Islam

    Do not argue with your Lord on behalf of your soul, rather argue with your soul on behalf of your Lord.” - Dhul-Nun

    "It is the very pursuit of happiness that thwarts happiness." - Victor Frankl

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    Re: The Concept of Intercession in Islam

    format_quote Originally Posted by M H Kahn View Post

    One who obeys Allah and His prophet Muhammed (pbuh) cannot believe this as the words of Muhammed (pbuh) who himself has brought the Quran to us, while the said story denies many cardinal verses of the Quran; and what is he who denies a verse of Quran?





    By the Star when it goes down,-

    Your Companion is neither astray nor being misled.

    Nor does he say (aught) of (his own) Desire.


    It is naught but revelation that is revealed,

    In huwa illa wahyun yooha

    53 4 1 - The Concept of Intercession in Islam


    He was taught by one Mighty in Power,

    The Lord of Strength; so he attained completion,


    (surah najm 53: 01-06)




    " Say: "Call upon those whom you claim [as gods] besides Allah: They have no power, not the weight of an atom - in the heavens or on the earth. No share have they therein, nor is any of them a helper to Allah. No intercession can avail with Him, except for those for whom He has granted permission. So much so that, when terror is removed from their hearts, they will say: "That which is true and just; and He is the Most High, Most Great."" (Qur'an 34:22-23)


    Allah! there is no Allah but He the living the Self-subsisting Eternal. No slumber can seize him nor sleep. His are all things in the heavens and on earth. Who is there can intercede in His presence except as He permitteth? He knoweth what (appeareth to his creatures as) before or after or behind them. Nor shall they compass aught of his knowledge except as He willeth. His throne doth extend over the heavens and the earth and He feeleth no fatigue in guarding and preserving them. For He is the Most High the Supreme (in glory).

    (Qur'an 2:255)


    Abdullaah ibn Amar radhiAllaahu anhu, who said:

    "I used to write down everything that I heard from the Messenger of Allaah (Peace & Blessings of Allaah be upon Him), because I wanted to memorize it. Quraysh told me not to do that and said: Are you writing everything down that you hear? The Messenger of Allaah is only a man who may speak when he is angry or happy. So I stopped writing things down, and I mentioned this to the Messenger of Allaah (Peace & Blessings of Allaah be upon Him). He [sal Allaahu alayhi waSalam] pointed to his mouth and said: Write; by the One in Whose hand is my soul, nothing comes out of it (my mouth) but the truth."

    (Reported by Abu Dawud, may Allaah have mercy on him, in al-Sunan, Kitaab al-Ilm, hadeeth no. 3161, see also Saheeh al-Jaami , no. 1196)

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    Re: The Concept of Intercession is Polytheism

    format_quote Originally Posted by M H Kahn View Post
    You don't know what this intercession is for which Allah will permit someone to intercede sor someone else. Allah, on the other hand, has very clearly made known the followings:-

    Guard yourselves against the Day on which one soul shall not avail another - no intercession shall be accepted, no ransom shall be taken and no help shall be given.[2:48]

    Do you not know that to Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and that besides Allah, you have no protector or helper![2:107]

    Guard yourselves against the Day when one soul shall not avail another, no ransom shall be taken, no intercession shall profit anyone, and no help shall be given.[2:123]

    O believers! Spend out of the sustenance which We have provided for you before the arrival of that Day when there will be no bargaining, friendship or intercession. It is the unbelievers who are wrongdoers.[2:254]

    If Allah helps you, then there is none who can overcome you. If He forsakes you, then who else is there other than Him who can help you? Therefore, in Allah let the believers put their trust.[3:160]

    Thes clear verses unequivocally say that no intercession will benefit any human in the hereafter. This is the final say of Allah.

    akhee M H Khan

    I advise you for the sake fo Allah teh following

    The prophet salallahu alaihi wa salam said 'Whoever interprets the Quraan on his own will be punished by the hellfire even if he gets it right"

    The problem is that you have connected shafa'a with waseela and more importantly the waseela of the sufis.

    Just because intercession is a real incident that will happen (and the denier of this is a kaafir) on that Day and the reality that Muhamamd will intercede hs nothing to do with the flasehood of the people who pract5ice shirk in that they need to use Muhamamd to get closeto Allah and swear by him and make dua to him for aid and benefit or to remove harm.

    Basically what you did was make what is turth to be faslehood and shrk just based upon a group of people who took what was legislated and interpreted into the concepts of shirk. if that is the case we might as well throw the quraan aweay. If that is the case we might as well neagte the zakaah because (even though it is sanctioned the rulers throughout the Islamic eras sometimes have overtazed the people). We might as well throw the concetp of salaah away because a small band pops up and makes it a religious obligation of having riyya (hidden shirk which is to be seen by men) in making it, so therefore according to your own methodology that you are imploring we must negate the salaah and call it shirk.

    basciaqlly you should not, actually it is haraam for you, to attribute the flase practice of the misguided in raising and going and making tawaf around graves and makign du'a to them and making the innovated waseela to them and attributing it to the legislated shafa'aah

    And since for some reason you feel like you have the audacity to view the narrations of hadeeth in the methodology that you do, then since you only rely on quraan and basically almost nothing of hadeeth (unless if goes according to your intellect) then when you cite this

    Guard yourselves against the Day on which one soul shall not avail another - no intercession shall be accepted, no ransom shall be taken and no help shall be given.[2:48]

    and when you view this

    Allah! there is no Allah but He the living the Self-subsisting Eternal. No slumber can seize him nor sleep. His are all things in the heavens and on earth. Who is there can intercede in His presence except as He permitteth?

    then by default there is a contradiction in the quraan which by default results in disbeleif in the ayaah of

    'And have you not carefully considered that if this book came from other than Allah you would have fund many contradictions therein"

    The religion is known and it takes knowledge to know and the most knowledgeable people after the prophet were the companions and then their studetns and then their students and then those who followed their way in creed and methodology and who deduced principles based off of that. So while you deem lowly the people of knowledge the religion is known through them, not through the ignorant ones.

    The scholar has authentic precedent when he is right and is rewarded one reward for being wrong, whil the jaahil is in the hellfire for getting it right and maybe worse for getting it wrong. This alone is enough reason and proof to suport you to the abandoning of these unheard of stancess that you have been known to speak with here at times
    as for this
    Do those MUSHRIKS --who believe in Allah, His prophets, divine books, angels, the resurrection and the predestnation, say salah, pay zakah, fast in the month of Ramadhan and perform hajj; but whenever they supplicate to Allah, they ask Him to accept the supplication for the sake of Muhammed(pbuh) and other good people who have passed away to the hereafter -- belong to the ummah of Mohammed (pbuh) ?
    you dont have the authority nor the knowledge to delve into the removal of who is and whop isnt in the ummah of Muhamamd. Before you can even warrent a ruling there are obstacle from the matters of usool that one has to go through in critique before anyone can even issue a verdict on the relity of a person. You on the other hand are making takfeer of muslims without any tafseel which is do to the lack of knowledge that you did not gain. so for one, even though what they practice is shirk, they cannot be called mushriks and do belong tothe ummah of Muhamamd until the iqaamati-hujjah has been established against them.

    akhee Ahmad

    What your saying is right, but the particular act comes if i recall correctly under shirk asghar i.e. the minor shirk which doesnt put one out of the fold of Islam. It is a major sin though.
    what M H Khan said is right. These acts that they do is shirk al-akbaar and takes one out the fold. But the actual ruling of a claiment to be a kaafir an only br throught by the establishement fo the iqaamati-hujjah

    One who obeys Allah and His prophet Muhammed (pbuh) cannot believe this as the words of Muhammed (pbuh) who himself has brought the Quran to us, while the said story denies many cardinal verses of the Quran; and what is he who denies a verse of Quran?
    M H Khan

    How did the Quran come to us.
    The prophet
    How did the actions and recitation fo the quraan by the prophet come to us. By the companions.

    If you beleived in the same narratoprs who brought to you those ayaah of Allah about the matters which you seek justification of your own interpretation, then you must by default accept those same narrators who brought to us that same hadeeth as the narrators of the quranic ayaah you briing and those who brought that hadeeth are the same.

    Everyone who beleived in Allah and His messenger Including Muhammad beleived in the reality of this hadeeth. WHen a hadeeth is clearly authentic and accepted by the ijmaa then its disbeleif is equal to the disbeleif if a letter in the quraan. Sicne the prophet did not see anything contrary between what he said and what ALlah said and sicne the narrators of the quraan did not see anythign contrary to what they themselevs narrated about that hadeeth and sicne the entire muslim nation for 14 centuries did not see any variance between those ayaah and this hadeth, then it follows that the only islam that is insufficient and cannot be considered islam is the Islam that you understand to be. It is either the way that the best of muslims whos Islam has been attested to by Allah, or the way that you see it. Quite frankly everyone here would rather rely on the Islam of the muslims whom Allah not only affirmed their Islam and emaan, but was pleased with it and them, than the islam of a claiment who claims Islam especially who came 1400 years after the real muslims. Their Islam is Islam wand whatever they did do or say or hold is not Islam and cannot be viewed to be Islam.



    The same True Muslims and Imaams who were true scholars who made takfeer for the very issues that you speak of also made takfeer for the very thing you are rejecting. SO in one aspect you are making takfeer of a group of people, yet you yourself also fall in a similar state (of takfeer being made upon you) by the stance you are taking.

    The shafa'a is part of the aqeedah of Muhamamd and the Aqeedah of Abu Bakr and that of Umar and Uthman and Ali just as the aqeedah of emaan in the the Messengers and in Allah and in His books and the mala'ika. a denial of any of these is the denialment of the very thing that the Messenger was sent with, Islam.

    so at the end I advise you to first, put aside the overshadowing doubts about the hadeeth works as it is part of the revelation just as the quraan. And secondly, the best thing to do is rely more on the relied upon authorities of this ummah instead of following the intellect and rational as both have been made subserviant to following and the texts hve not been made subserviant to follow the intellect.

    and lastly the religion is more complicated and you must understand that there are realities of the matters of the quraan and the sunnah that normal people like us cannot fathom nor will we be able to in a 100 years remaining in this same state (of ignorance). Th fact that Shafi'ee ( a real scholar) extracted a 1000 meanings of one hadeeth in one night at the house of Ahmad ibn Hanbal's (another real scholar) is enough proof to show that there are matters and implciation in the texts that takes a formalized portion of knowledge in order to even begin upon the embarkment of realizing the realities of the texts.

    asalamu alaikum warahmatullah

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    Re: The Concept of Intercession is Polytheism

    format_quote Originally Posted by M H Kahn View Post
    Do those MUSHRIKS --who believe in Allah, His prophets, divine books, angels, the resurrection and the predestnation, say salah, pay zakah, fast in the month of Ramadhan and perform hajj; but whenever they supplicate to Allah, they ask Him to accept the supplication for the sake of Muhammed(pbuh) and other good people who have passed away to the hereafter -- belong to the ummah of Mohammed (pbuh) ?

    Firstly there may be people who ask for the sake of Prophet Mohammed(s) or pray to him, but I dont know of any personally. I always ask and pray to Allah and only for his sake.

    Finally I would like to ask you to kindly go to page 1 again and read the Quranic verses I posted which clearly states that intercession belongs to Allah and he will grant it to whom he pleases. And that is a fact from the Quran that indeed Allah swt will grant many people the right to intercede as he sees fit.

    It is the decision of Allah swt and we cannot dispute it

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    Re: The Concept of Intercession is Polytheism

    format_quote Originally Posted by akulion View Post
    Firstly there may be people who ask for the sake of Prophet Mohammed(s) or pray to him, but I dont know of any personally. I always ask and pray to Allah and only for his sake.

    Finally I would like to ask you to kindly go to page 1 again and read the Quranic verses I posted which clearly states that intercession belongs to Allah and he will grant it to whom he pleases. And that is a fact from the Quran that indeed Allah swt will grant many people the right to intercede as he sees fit.

    It is the decision of Allah swt and we cannot dispute it

    In Quran we find that no intercession will be of any benefit to any soul IN THE HEREAFTER. We should not have any doubt about this cerystal clear meaning.

    Next we find verses that all intercession belongs to Allah alone; none can intercede for any without His permission. But we are not told about what and where this type of intercession takes or will take place. This is the limit set to our knowledge by Allah; and we should not transgress this limit by relying on heresay stories or on mere presumptions. Allah warns the transgressors:

    "He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book: In it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book: others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord:" and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding. [003.007]
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    Re: The Concept of Intercession in Islam




    akhi if you feel that the ahadith of Rasool Allaah sal Allaahu alayhi waSalam are hearsay, just refer back to the qur'an - when Allaah subhanahu wa ta'aala says:


    O ye who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the messenger, and make not vain your deeds! (47:33)


    So we believe that there is no intercessor, except by the will of Allaah azawajal (as its mentioned in verse 2:255) and Muhammad (sal Allaahu alayhi waSalam) will be an intercessor on al qiyamah by the will of Allaah subhanahu wa ta'aala.


    If this threads going to carry on with pointless arguments, and if it means rejecting the sahih ahadith which are in bukhari and muslim - then this thread will be closed insha'Allaah.



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    Re: The Concept of Intercession in Islam

    format_quote Originally Posted by Fi_Sabilillah View Post

    akhi if you feel that the ahadith of Rasool Allaah sal Allaahu alayhi waSalam are hearsay, just refer back to the qur'an - when Allaah subhanahu wa ta'aala says:

    It seems you have mistaken me. I do believe very much that the words, deeds and consents of Mohammed (pbuh) are collectively called Ahadith. But most of the Ahdiths were collected or recorded long after the death of the prophet from hearsays; and it is quite natural that with lapse of time many sayings changed in the process of passing through generations, and I only reject those hearsays as fake or corrupt stories that contradict the Quran which Mohammed(pbuh) himself has taught us.

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    Re: The Concept of Intercession in Islam




    i understand insha'Allaah, but please remember that the hadith which mentions the intercession on al-qiyamah is recorded in sahih al bukhaari and therefore it is authentic insha'Allaah.

    at the same time, we don't need to keep arguing pointless arguments - because Allaah subhanahu wa ta'aala says:


    And hold fast, all together, by the rope which Allah (stretches out for you), and be not divided among yourselves; and remember with gratitude Allah's favour on you; for ye were enemies and He joined your hearts in love, so that by His Grace, ye became brethren; and ye were on the brink of the pit of Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus doth Allah make His Signs clear to you: That ye may be guided.
    (3:103)


    Be not like those who are divided amongst themselves and fall into disputations after receiving Clear Signs: For them is a dreadful penalty,-
    (3:105)


    We need unity, and unity can only come through kindness.

    Allaah subhanahu wa ta'aala says:

    And by the Mercy of Allah, you dealt with them gently. And had you been severe and harsh-hearted, they would have broken away from about you; so pass over (their faults), and ask (Allah's) Forgiveness for them; and consult them in the affair. Then when you have taken a decision, put your trust in Allah, certainly, Allah loves those who put their trust (in Him).
    (3:19)


    “And speak to him [i.e., Pharaoh] with gentle speech that perhaps he may be reminded or fear [Allaah].”
    ” [Quran 20: 44]

    Sometimes we are stern against the non muslims and even muslims, but we have to realise that Allaah subhanahu wa ta'aala told Musa (alayhi Salaam) to speak to pharoah in a gentle way, therefore we should do the same [because pharoah was one of the worst people on earth, and if Allaah azawajal told Musa (alayhi Salam) to speak to pharoah in a gentle way, then obviously we should give da'wah to others who aren't as bad as pharoah in a soft manner too insha'Allaah.]



    Furthermore, the Prophet sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam said: “He who is deprived of gentleness and forbearance is deprived from a great deal of goodness.” `Aa’ishah, may Allaah be pleased with her, reported that the Prophet sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam said: “Whenever forbearance is added to something, it adorns it; and whenever it is withdrawn from something, it leaves it defective.” [Sahih Muslim].


    No muslim will listen to us if we call them a mushrik, but they will if we give them da'wah kindly and show them the truth insha'Allaah.

    It's also dangerous to judge others - because Allaah azawajal only knows who truely is a muslim and who isn't.


    "Judging that a Muslim has left Islaam and entered into Kufr is something that is not fitting for a Muslim who believes in Allaah and the Last Day except with a proof (Burhaan) which is clearer than the daytime sun, since it is established in the authentic hadith reported by a group of Companions that he who says to his brother "O Kaafir!" Then it returns back to one of them." In another wording, "Whoever addresses a man with Kufr, or says 'Enemy of Allaah' and he is not that, then it returns back upon him" (Hadith reported by Muslim (2/49 - Book of Eemaan).



    “Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and fair preaching and argue with them in a way that is better”. [Quran 16:125].


    “And who is better in speech then he who invites to Allaah, meaning, Islamic monotheism and does righteous deeds and says; `I am one of the Muslims`” [Quran 41:33].


    Allaah Almighty knows best.


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    Re: The Concept of Intercession is Polytheism

    format_quote Originally Posted by M H Kahn View Post

    In India, Pakistan, Bangladesh and many other countries most of the scholars believe the said stories and they have virtually turned these countries into lands of polytheists and Islam into a religion of polytheism-- worshipping Allah, His messenger and other good people alike. You will find thousnds of graves where people go to buy the imaginary intercessors' mercy in exchange of money paid to their grave-keeprs. Grave-keeping is a very lucrative profession in these countruies.
    Their is many deciever's out their, and in india, bangladesh, pakistan, you will find people practicing witchcraft more than maybe shirk, but majority don't commit either.

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    Re: The Concept of Intercession in Islam

    format_quote Originally Posted by Fi_Sabilillah View Post

    i understand insha'Allaah, but please remember that the hadith which mentions the intercession on al-qiyamah is recorded in sahih al bukhaari and therefore it is authentic insha'Allaah.
    Only Allah knows how far this is true. But this denies the cardinal verses of the Quran that there will be no intercession in the hereafter. Only a disbeliever can deny the clear truth that Mohammed himself has taught us with the Quran and accept a story collected from hearsays to the contrary.

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    Re: The Concept of Intercession in Islam

    The danger of spreading anti-Quranic false stories is that people start invoking the prophet and supplicating to him for intercession in this worldly affairs as well in the affairs of the hereafter. Even the state television of my country sings like this:" O Mohammed ! Guide us from the heaven in the straight path. Remove the dark and give us light............." which is clearly shirk.

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    Re: The Concept of Intercession in Islam

    format_quote Originally Posted by M H Kahn View Post
    Only Allah knows how far this is true. But this denies the cardinal verses of the Quran that there will be no intercession in the hereafter. Only a disbeliever can deny the clear truth that Mohammed himself has taught us with the Quran and accept a story collected from hearsays to the contrary.

    Akhi, sahih bukhari is the most reliable book of ahadith for the ahlus sunnah wal jamaa'ah after the Qur'an. We believe it and we don't reject anything from it. Theres nothing inside these ahadith which contradict the Qur'an.

    I won't say anymore, but may Allaah forgive us if we're wrong.


    I think i'm going to close this thread and please think twice before saying anything which might affect the beliefs of the whole aqeedah of the ahlus sunnah, and even the sahabah (who is the best generation of muslims since the time of Aadam (alayhi Salaam.)


    Also when you keep saying that its denying the verses of the Qur'an, as we've mentioned many times earlier - Allaah azawajal says in surah al baqarah, verse 2:255 - Who is there can intercede in His presence except as He permitteth?

    Allah! There is no god but He,-the Living, the Self-subsisting, Eternal. No slumber can seize Him nor sleep. His are all things in the heavens and on earth. Who is there can intercede in His presence except as He permitteth? He knoweth what (appeareth to His creatures as) before or after or behind them. Nor shall they compass aught of His knowledge except as He willeth. His Throne doth extend over the heavens and the earth, and He feeleth no fatigue in guarding and preserving them for He is the Most High, the Supreme (in glory). (2:255)

    So we should end this topic before it goes any further insha'Allaah.


    Thread Closed.

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    Mutually Exclusive Quranic Verses and Stories Narrated as Sayings of Muhammed(pbuh)


    1.When Quranic verses and stories narrated as sayings of Muhammed(pbuh) are mutually exclusive, what should a believer do?

    2. When two such stories are mutually exclusive, what should a believer do?

    Let us find such examples and decide what our faith demands us to do.

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    Re: Mutually Exclusive Quranic Verses and Stories Narrated as Sayings of Muhammed(pbuh)

    format_quote Originally Posted by M H Kahn View Post

    1.When Quranic verses and stories narrated as sayings of Muhammed(pbuh) are mutually exclusive, what should a believer do?

    2. When two such stories are mutually exclusive, what should a believer do?

    Let us find such examples and decide what our faith demands us to do.
    The term "mutually exclusive" means if you accept any one of the two as correct, you reject the other as corrupt. For example, if you accept the widely-gossiped story of intercession in the hereafter as a correct Hadith, then you reject (the clear Quranic ordainment that there will be no intercession in the hereafter) as corrupt. The choice is yours: to treat the Quran as correct or the gossiped story; but when you say that one is correct, then you automatically reject the other as corrupt.

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    Re: Mutually Exclusive Quranic Verses and Stories Narrated as Sayings of Muhammed(pbuh)

    format_quote Originally Posted by M H Kahn View Post
    The term "mutually exclusive" means if you accept any one of the two as correct, you reject the other as corrupt. For example, if you accept the widely-gossiped story of intercession in the hereafter as a correct Hadith, then you reject (the clear Quranic ordainment that there will be no intercession in the hereafter) as corrupt. The choice is yours: to treat the Quran as correct or the gossiped story; but when you say that one is correct, then you automatically reject the other as corrupt.
    So, be aware ! If you believe the stories of intercession in the hereafter as true, you are blaming both Allah and His prophet, while neither Allah nor His prophet, as declared by Allah Himself, could lie. Relying on such fabulous stories may lead you to the dark caves of kufr.

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    Re: Mutually Exclusive Quranic Verses and Stories Narrated as Sayings of Muhammed(pbuh)



    This question was put to Shaykh Yasir Qadhi on another forum, and he answered. Here is the question (which is very similar to what your saying) and the answer:

    Bismillahir Rahmanir Raheem,

    Shaykh Yasir,
    Asalamu alaykum wa rahmattallah wa barakatu,

    I have been reading some Qur'an that talks about no intecessor on that Day, such as 2:48, and 2:254. I do not understand the arabic either.

    We talked about in seminar that there is intercession as Allah SWT allows, such as in the case of the Prophet Muhammad SAAS. So how are the above verses understood? Tafsir dot com was not working for me so I was not able to check tafsir as of yet. Allahu Allam.

    Asalamu alaykum wa rahmattallah wa barakatu
    Reply:

    Salaam Alaikum

    I remember having answered a very similar question in a previous thread - perhaps u can do a search of it?

    Basically, all of the verses that deny intercession are understood as any intrecession that does not fulfill the two conditions that we mentioned in class. And those two conditions (both of them) went back directly to Allah (i.e., Allah's permission to the intercessor and His Pleasure on the one for whom it is asked). Thus, no one - and that means no one - has the unconditional right to demand, much less be assured, that any person will be forigiven through intercession. Only Allah decides who will intercede,and even then He will not accept the intercession of each and every one who asks.

    And Allah knows best...

    Yasir
    And i urge you to read this:

    http://islamicweb.com/beliefs/creed/...T1-chap-15.htm

    Chapter 15, on Intercession from Imam Abdul Wahab's Kitab At-Tawheed.

    The Concept of Intercession in Islam

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    Re: Mutually Exclusive Quranic Verses and Stories Narrated as Sayings of Muhammed(pbuh)


    A hadith's concordance with the Qur'an is a prerequisite for it to be labeled sahih. There is no contradiction between Qur'an and Sahih hadith, instead we interpret the Qur'an in light of the sahih hadith. If there is anything we reject it is the corrupt interpretation of the hadith-rejectors.

    The Qur'an clearly affirms intercession in the hereafter in numerous places:

    20:109. On that day no intercession shall avail, except the one for whom the Most Beneficent (Allâh) has given permission and whose word is acceptable to Him.

    21:28. He knows what is before them, and what is behind them, and they cannot intercede except for him with whom He is pleased. And they stand in awe for fear of Him


    However, the type of intercession affirmed by the Qur'an is that which is allowed only to those whom Allah permits and for those whom Allah swt is pleased with. Since both the intercessor and the one for whom interecession is sought is determined solely by Allah swt, the function of this interecession is honorary.

    This is very different from the common sense of intercession known in this world, which we can refer to as actual mediation or intervention. This means that a third party intervenes between the other two, and due to their status and rank with the first party, they are able to sucessful persuade the first party on behalf of the second party, or mediate the differences between the two parties to come to an agreement. This may happen even though the first party would otherwise have rejected any plea from the second party, or they dislike the intervention of the third party but are forced to accept it due to the status and power of the third party. This interecession is rejected by both the Qur'an and the Ahadith.

    Shaykh 'Umar Sulayman Al-'Ashqar explained:
    The kind of intercession that will be rejected [on the Day of Judgement] is the kind known in this world, where a person may intercede even if the one with whom he is interceding is not willing to accept this intercession, but is forced to accept that intercession because of their high status and power. This is the kind of intercession which the mushrikeen and the Christians believe in with regard to their gods, and the innovators (people of bid'ah) among this ummah believe in with regard to their shaykhs. Allah has stated that those who believe in this are liars. No one will be able to intercede on that Day except with the permission of Allah, and none will intercede unless Allah is pleased with both the intercessor and the one for whom intercession is made. (Al-Ashqar, The Day of Resurrection, p. 257)
    So the intercession rejected by the Qur'an and Ahadith is intervention and mediation, and the intercession affirmed by the Qur'an and Ahadith is privileged supplication whose outcome has already been determined by Allah swt.

    The Concept of Intercession in Islam

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