Arrival of Imam Mahdi

There is a hadith in Sahih Bukhari, the wording of which is something like this: The Prophet (saw) said "how will you be when Prophet Isa (ah) descends and your leader will be from amongst you?"

format_quote Originally Posted by Eeman

Dear Brother's

Salam alaikum.
Couldwe please get to the actual question that asked then we will debate regards the hadiths.

can someone please bring forth one ayah or surah in the Qur'an that refers to imam mahdi.

thank you

peace

Sister,

Muslims all around the world celebrate the two Eids and it is commonly known that these are celebrations of Islaam. Can you show me in the Qur'an where Allaah mentions the Eid celebrations?

format_quote Originally Posted by Eeman

Dear brother,

I much appreciate your time and energy put into the long post MashaAllah, i pray Allah swt multiplies your efforts and deeds in abundance InshaAllah.

Ameen, wa Iyyaki.

So from this clear ayah you can see that what Allah swt is trying to tell us is that there is NO distinction between the prophets (pbuta)

Distinction in what terms? I am not arguing with you about the fact that we have to believe in all of them without separating between them, as the nations before did:

4:150 Indeed, those who disbelieve in Allah and His messengers and wish to discriminate between Allah and His messengers and say, "We believe in some and disbelieve in others,"

The verses you quoted only prove that it is obligatory to believe in all the Prophets and Messengers. They do not prove that we are not allowed to say that such and such a Messenger is of a higher status than others. The 'no distinction' commandment only refers to belief in them as the verse quoted above proves.

now the ayah that you came with for this argument it is quite clear that Allah swt is refering to His own preference

It does not make a difference - what matters is, as you have conceded, there is a difference in status amongst them:

For example, Allaah calls Ibrahim as an 'Ummah' - nation in Surah an-Nahl 120, a title he does not give to other Messengers. Therefore, he is of a higher status. Likewise, he mentions some of the status of other Messengers/Prophets and the respective favors they received which elevated their statuses.

In 3:84 Allah swt is telling us what we mankind should regard them as "Say (O Mohammad)" Allah swt is commanding the prophet (saw) to tell the people to make no distinction between them and no distinction means no distinction!! I'm sure if Allah swt wanted us to think of some prophets higher ranked than others He swt would mention so.

You're falling into the logical fallacy known as petitio principii - you have committed the fallacy of assuming what you have yet to prove. You already assume a meaning for the verses you provided that speak of 'no distinction' yet you have not yet provided evidence to substantiate this interpretation.

Dear brothers and sisters would someone know of any surah or any verse in the Qur'an that mentions imam mahdi, if so then please do bring it into my attention and i pray that Allah swt mulitplies your rewards for your efforts of guiding and correcting people InshaAllah.

Ma Salama

The Qur'an tells us to follow and take from the Prophet, thus when the Prophet spoke about this we take from it. Wa Sal Allahu wa sallam alay nibiyyina.

Why r u asking for that sis?

format_quote Originally Posted by - Serene -

Sis Eemaan, it's in loads of hadiths. Or are u a anti-hadith person?

She's Eeman, can't be anti Hadith person when ur user name is Eeman. Otherwise I nick it, seeing as I have no user name.

She is part of the Qur'aan belief only group i think.

They dont believe in anything as revelation apart from the Qur'aan. Ive even heard some people of this group slander the Prophet (SAWS).

Na'Audhubillaah, The Qur'an was revelaed to the man whose words they reject. Salallaahu 'Alayhi WaSallaam.

There is no use trying to refute, walaahi, i seen the likes of her before, they never accept, they only know how to reject.

Wa 'Alaykum as-Salaam

As Salam Alaykum everyone,

Look this thread is about Al Mahdi, let us keep it at that insha'Allah.

Let us also remember in everything we do we should have wisdom, and try see the bad and good of results out of our actions.

Moreover, with regards to the topic, I do not know if there are any verses which speak of Imam Al Mahdi, and as a brother pointed out, are there verse about the two Eids and so forth, there are though verses which speak about taking what the Prophet gave and matters like this, and so we take what the Prophet gave us of knowledge.

If people would like to discuss if we should accept the speech of the Prophet, then do so in another thread insha'Allah.

Lastly, but most important, I am a human and I may also go offtopic, so if I do forgive me and point it out insha'Allah.

And Allah knows best.

Assalamualaikum, I have a question related to the day of Judgement and I was hoping if you could answer.

I've heard that the wall that Yajooj and Majooj and their army live in is broken and I want to know what exactly their army does on the earth, I've heard they kill and eat everything and everyone, but I'm not sure.

Assalaamu 'Alaikum,

Bismillaah,

Sister, the sources from which we derive our religion is primarily the Qur'aan, as I am sure you will agree. We also derive and extract our deen from the authentic sunnah of the Messenger (sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam).

The concept of the Mahdi is not mentioned in the Qur'aan, neither explicitly or implicitly. However, it should be mentioned, that some of the early commentators of the Qur'aan said in reference to the 'disgrace/humiliation' stated in Surah Baqarah; verse 114, was actually a reference to the Mahdi.

لهم في الدنيا خزي ولهم في الآخرة عذاب عظيم...
"...For them there is disgrace in this world, and they will have a great torment in the Hereafter." (002:114)

Some of the early commentators mentioned that one of the disgrace/humilation that they (i.e. the mushrikoon) will encounter is that the Mahdi shall conquer them and shall subjugate them; but this is not an explicit or even implicit reference to the Mahdi. So, it can be said that the Qur'aan does not clearly predict the coming of a Mahdi figure, but he (i.e. the Mahdi) is referred to in the Sunnah of Rasulullah (sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam) in many authentic narrations. One such narration is:

Abu Sa’eed al-Khudri reported that the Messenger of Allaah (Peace & Blessings of Allaah be upon Him) said: "At the end of the time of my ummah, the Mahdi will appear. Allaah will grant him rain, the earth will bring forth its fruits, he will give a lot of money, cattle will increase and the ummah will become great. He will rule for seven or eight years.
(Mustadrak al-Haakim, 4/557-558; he said: this is a hadeeth whose isnaad is saheeh, although it was not reported by al-Bukhaari and Muslim. Al-Dhahabi agreed with him, and al-Albaani said: this is a saheeh sanad, and its men are thiqaat (trustworthy), Silsilat al-ahaadeeth al-saheehah, vol. 2, p. 336, hadeeth 771)

Sister, I would really urge you to listen to the series of lectures by Abu 'Ammaar Yaasir Qadhi on this topic; "The Mahdi: Between Fact & Fiction".

Here is an excerpt from that series where the Sheikh talks about sources of the belief in the Mahdi and he explains a little bit on this issue of the science of hadith; please do listen to it insha'Allaah:

http://www.4shared.com/file/52841156...1_excerpt.html

And Allaah (subhaanahu wa ta'aala) knows best.

format_quote Originally Posted by Eeman

Dear brothers and sisters would someone know of any surah or any verse in the Qur'an that mentions imam mahdi, if so then please do bring it into my attention and i pray that Allah swt mulitplies your rewards for your efforts of guiding and correcting people InshaAllah.

Ma Salama

This is a fallacy known as Argumentum ad nauseam. You are free to repeat yourself as many times as you like (you've done so 5 times so far), however, this does nothing in substantiating your point. Until you decide to read our responses and respond to each one like we've done to yours, this discussion will get no where.

I don't understand how the coming of Mahdi or a promised one is consistent with the Quranic teachings that we, as humans, are the ones to establish peace and harmony on earth by following God's guidance. What is the point in achieving this goal if someone is just going to come down from the sky, save everyone, and basically do all the work for us? The Quran was given to us and Islam was chosen for us so we can implement it in our governments and societies and end the oppression and tyranny on earth. It was given to us so that humanity can unite under the submission to God and establish peace and justice for all. Something that this supposed Mahdi is going to do. So what is the point of our struggle? It doesn't make any sense.

“My intensive research in the Qur’an, Hadith and history has taught me that any human being who tries to save the planet and make it a better place to live is the Mahdi and the Messiah in his own right.”
-Jamaluddin Afghani

Just my two-cents
Peace

Eeman, you shouldn't pray, fast, make pilgrimage or celebrate Eid, as even the six verses that deal with pilgrimage in the Quran, don't go into great details of how it is to be performed!

I don't know how you are Muslim, but yours is a deviant sect .. this is the second time I tell you this sister, so take heed!

Volume 9, Book 84, Number 65:
Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Amr bin Yasar:

That they visited Abu Sa'id Al-Khudri and asked him about Al-Harauriyya, a special unorthodox religious sect, "Did you hear the Prophet saying anything about them?" Abu Sa'id said, "I do not know what Al-Harauriyya is, but I heard the Prophet saying, "There will appear in this nation---- he did not say: From this nation ---- a group of people so pious apparently that you will consider your prayers inferior to their prayers, but they will recite the Quran, the teachings of which will not go beyond their throats and will go out of their religion as an arrow darts through the game, whereupon the archer may look at his arrow, its Nasl at its Risaf and its Fuqa to see whether it is blood-stained or not (i.e. they will have not even a trace of Islam in them)."