Arrival of Imam Mahdi

format_quote Originally Posted by NYCmuslim

I don't understand how the coming of Mahdi or a promised one is consistent with the Quranic teachings that we, as humans, are the ones to establish peace and harmony on earth by following God's guidance.

The Mahdi is also a human.

What is the point in achieving this goal if someone is just going to come down from the sky, save everyone, and basically do all the work for us?

1. The Mahdi is not the one who will descend from the sky.

2. By this logic, why the need for Prophets? Why did Allaah have to send Prophets to "save everyone" and basically do "all the work" here? He should have just sent down the Qur'an upon a mountain right?!

The Quran was given to us and Islam was chosen for us so we can implement it in our governments and societies and end the oppression and tyranny on earth. It was given to us so that humanity can unite under the submission to God and establish peace and justice for all.

Yes, and he sent down the Qur'an with a Messenger for a reason.

Something that this supposed Mahdi is going to do. So what is the point of our struggle? It doesn't make any sense.

Then likewise, it makes no sense for Allaah to send Messengers to mankind. He should have just send down all the Books upon different mountains and mankind could have figured out the best way to "struggle"!

“My intensive research in the Qur’an, Hadith and history has taught me that any human being who tries to save the planet and make it a better place to live is the Mahdi and the Messiah in his own right.”
-Jamaluddin Afghani

Just my two-cents
Peace

The Prophet Muhamamd pbuh told us that 'Isa will return and that the Mahdi will come. There is no valid reason for you to reject the authentic teachings of the Prophet Muhammad saw.

format_quote Originally Posted by Eeman

salam alaikum

dear sister i am NOT a part of any sect nor group i do not believe in such things nor follow politics based on religion.

That is unfortunate, our religion covers all aspects of life including the political!

i am not a hadith rejector but just very weary about the authenticity of the hadiths,

I have given you a link on Isnad, i.e how to determine the authenticity of hadiths!

reason why i am asking for a reference from the Qur'an regards imam mahdi is because as far as i am concerned i.e. my thinking which i will be held into account for by Allah swt, i do not understand why Allah swt the Most Wise would not touch upon such a great sign of the last hour like imam mahdi.
not questioning the Almighty there whatsoever but in fact questioning the authentitcity of these hadiths.

May I ask, are you or have you been a part of an Islamic scholarly group that consensus on what is to be accepted and rejected? We are asked to seek knowledge from the people of knowledge, not to follow our own whims or create our own sects.. Have you read and understood suret al'moemnoon?

let me give you and example, a sister asked about the gog and magog.
now that is mentioned in the Qur'an so when i read hadiths about gog and magog and if they do not contradict what has been written in the Qur'an then i have no reason not to believe in it and reject it.

ma salama.

That is interesting indeed.. there are many things in our daily practice as Muslims that aren't mentioned in the Quran or are spoken of outside the ordinary range of human experience or understanding, and thus explained by the prophet SAW... if hadiths is give in form of tawatur, then it is incumbent upon you as a Muslim, if you accept the Quran to obey the full message of the messenger... not doing it and accepting consequences is one thing, rationalizing and intellectualizing to suit ones fancy is a different animal all together.. I'd be weary of being led astray and leading others astray with me... I am not here to speak of which sin is greater than which...
If you don't pray and understand that it is an obligation that you are simply not fulfilling, isn't the same as deranging religion by stating well the Quran doesn't teach us how to pray so it isn't mandatory!

Allah knows best

hard and demanding doesn't denote shouldn't be given attention or consideration to...
I don't think you'll rot in hell for not cutting your nails on thursday it is 'mostahab' suret al'waqi3a tells you of three different types of people coming on the day of judgement.. perhaps one can't be of the sabiqoon but surely we must strive to be at least of as7ab al'maymna

there are four levels of religiosity
Islam, iman, ikhlas and i7san
some people say they are mo'emnoon when in fact they are only muslimoon, Allah knows best who is what and that too is mentioned in the Quran...
but finding something overwhelming isn't a reason to say, they are simply not true.. again I refer you to the chapter on isnad!

there is indeed a hadith that states

(إن هذا الدين متين فأوغل فيه برفق ولا تبغض إلى نفسك عبادة الله فإن المنبت لا أرضاً قطع ولا ظهراً أبقى

'religion is vast, so teach with gentility, he who is abrasive (coarse) in his approach, has neither crossed the land nor kept his mode of transport'..really an assimilation of a man who is trying to cross a long desert but feels overwhelmed so he starts beating his horse or camel, until it dies or gets too overwhelmed and tired and runs away.. so he neither keeps his horse, nor does he get to cross the desert..


but you can't pick and choose to suit your fancy... I have to be honest with you, it isn't up to me what you personally do with your life, but this is a public forum, and I'll write this so long as I feel you are disseminating false information..

can someone find me that hadith number pls it states it is by ahmad from anas walbheeqi min hadith jabir

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إن هذا الدين متين فأوغل فيه برفق ولا تبغض إلى نفسك عبادة الله فإن المنبت لا أرضا قطع ولا ظهرا أبقى)
أخرجه أحمد من حديث أنس والبيهقي من حديث جابر

And Rasoul Allah also said “This religion, means Islam is strong, so, get to know it easily, and don’t ever reduce the importance of a worship to Allah” and he gave an example of a traveler who spend days, and days in his journey, and then lost his stuff, and his means of transport, so, he didn’t achieve his goal by getting to his destination, and even worse that he couldn’t get back to his people.

format_quote Originally Posted by Eeman

dear sister i dont find cutting my nails on a thursday overwhelming, if it had so much importance as to cutting ur nails on a thrusday im sure Allah swt wuld have written it in a very short verse in the Qur'an, my point is that it is quite silly, and as regards picking some and choosing what suits my fancy is not true yes if i were to follow each and every hadith out there my life would be absolute hell and i think i would become resentful towards God and religion would be a burden upon me...

I only commented on that because that is the example you used!
Islam covers every aspect of ones life, from how you clean yourself to how to run a govt. So there can be no excuse...
No one is asking you to follow every hadith, we are asking not to objurgate or dismiss as untrue simply because you feel they are overwhelming!

But religion is not a burden nor should it be and thats why Allah swt has made it easy for us so that His slaves do not feel that way.

I don't know what that means or how it relates to ahadith concerning al mahdi! simply you are not qualified to denounce something as true or untrue!

i would understand if i was sitting here and arguing how muslims can drink there is nothing wrong with that and how they can have pre marital relationships and commit zina as long as they sober up and have a bath and then do their salah.
then that would be me picking and choosing things to my fancy.

This is a topic on mahdi, if it doesn't appeal to your new form of Islam, then simply skip the topic in lieu of deeming it untrue and then cutting and pasting articles from a deviant website!

do u cut ur nails on thursdays only?

How does this relate to the topic?

Also did you read my previous post at all on levels of religiosity, mandatory vs mosta7ab?

Allah has simply made easy ways for you to collect good deeds, and each good deed even if it be as insignificant as cutting your nails on a thursday is multiplied by ten, if you feel that, that is too overwhelming and that your hasanat are masha'Allah can fill pages, then you are under no obligation to enjoy those little fringe benefits!

format_quote Originally Posted by Eeman

Lol!!!

ok i do not think that overwhelming would be the right word to use..
firstly why would i be overwhlemed about the coming of an imam that only Allah swt knows whether he truely exists or will come into existance or not?
2ndly i may not even be alive to see tomorrow let alone the hour.
3rdly if imam mahdi was the truth then according to the hadiths isnt he a good guy and not a bad guy? so why would i be sitting here feeling overwhelmed about it all???

The overwhelming was made toward your comments on hadith concerning cutting the nails on thursday, pls try to focus on a topic, or don't introduce variables into a topic if you can't keep track of what you've written!

i am not qualified and nor are you, i never denounced anything being true or not true i was simply speaking my mind and what i think i am not here preaching fellow sisters and brothers not to believe in imam mahdi...
each soul carries the burdens of their own sins.

the minute you brought a large cut and paste from a deviant sect into this forum for purpose of circulating 'your opinion' you have placed yourself as an object of scrutiny, for multiple reasons really, all which you should contemplate..

rather it seems to me that your doing much of the preaching and telling me whats true or not true!

I have already let you know, that what you personally do is of no consequence to me, but questionable articles that you publically disseminate will be subject to inquiry especially as to purpose!

now peace sister end of conversation
cos i dunno whether your coming or going quite frankly and its like i'm having the tables turned on me cos i spoke about what i believed and NOT about what everyone should believe!

Your beliefs aren't in concert with sunna, I am simply pointing that out for fellow readers of all ways of life!

format_quote Originally Posted by Eeman

now why would i be overwhelmed about cutting my nails on a thursday?

I don't know-- that is an example that you've introduced in a topic addressing the arrival of the mahdi. I am not a mind reader, and I don't enjoy topics of superficial relevance if any, least of which at this hour...

You have stated your opinion otherwise, we thank you, we also pointed out, that isn't in concert with Islam.. with that I hope we are done here...

format_quote Originally Posted by Eeman

Your beliefs aren't in concert with sunna, I am simply pointing that out for fellow readers of all ways of life!............................................. .............

well arent people so great who point fingers at other people forgetting to point the finger at themselves 1st and focus on perfecting themselves!!!

whether my beliefs are concert with sunnah or not it's nothing for you to stress your pretty face about. and i have not hired you as my publicist to publicise it to people, but you have been more eager to do it for nothing.

as i said sister peace be to you.

ma salama

I hope you read a little more so we are at least in keeping of good manners of the efforts folks put into their replies to you, and just so we are not redundant on every thread!

SISTAS TOO MUCH THIS IS AND THIS IS GOING ON.


Let's take a deep breathe for a while