Pork prohibited in the Bible

Greetings.

The Christian is likely to be convinced by his religious scriptures. The Bible prohibits the consumption of pork, in the book of Leviticus

"And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be cloven footed, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you".

"Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not touch, they are unclean to you." [Leviticus 11:7-8]

Pork is also prohibited in the Bible in the book of Deuteronomy

"And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you. Ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcass."
[Deuteronomy 14:8]

A similar prohibition is repeated in the Bible in the book of Isaiah chapter 65 verse 2-5.

Why Christians do eat pork despite its forbidden in the Bible?

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I think the stock answer is they think those commandments only apply to the Jews.
although why they would only apply to them and be fine for others is unknown.
Basically they eat pork cos its tasty and cheap.

Very interesting, barney. I will be wait for others' views.

It's a bit like the reason why Christians dont chop the hands off women who intervene in fights with them and their husbands by grabbing their unmentionables, (Leviticus).

It might be a law ordained by God, but its a silly law. Christianity takes all the stuff from the laws of 1700 BC that fitted into sensibilities of society in 88AD and scrapped the rest as not relevent. If you look at Mormonism, then that modifies things again to fit with 1800's american society. theyre still Christians, apparently, but their religion moves with the times.

There's also this:

And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?
Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.
Matt 15:16-20

Whatsthepoint said:

There's also this:

And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?
Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.
Matt 15:16-20

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Actually, that has nothing to do with eating/not eating pork. This is another parable. He is trying to say your thoughts and actions that go against the laws of God are more important than eating with dirty hands. Basically, it is not the dirt that may come off your hands and into your mouth that defiles a person to prevent them from worshiping God, but what comes out of your mouth and mind, in form of words and actions, is what defiles you. This was said in frustration of the Pharisees placing more emphasis on the traditions of their forefathers than the laws of God.

Most Christians believe that the law forbidding the eating of pork was dissolved as were the other laws when Jesus "died" on the cross. However, it was not Jesus that changed the law, it was Paul. Nowhere does Jesus, in the Bible, say He came to abolish the laws of the Prophets before Him and is quite insistent and clear about that. So much so, He didn't even use a parable, He just said it straight up.

Matt 5:17-25: 17"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

Christians will also use Peter's vision described in Acts as referring to Pork, but in actuality, it was not. Peter later realized in Acts 10:28 that God was talking about the Gentiles. Jews commonly called Gentiles unclean and God told Peter not make unclean what He made clean. He NEVER said the Gentiles were unclean, and this is exactly what He was referring to.

However, there are some sects of Christians that will not eat pork because they believe it is forbidden and that law had never been lifted, as Jesus, pbuh, said it wouldn't be.

Hana

Whatsthepoint said:

There's also this:

And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?
Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.
Matt 15:16-20

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Peace be upon those who follow the guidance:

Whatsthepoint & Barney,

many many people cite those verses to claim that ANY food is OK, YET, in Acts 10 we read:

9About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray. 10He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. 11He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. 12It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles of the earth and birds of the air. 13Then a voice told him, "Get up, Peter. Kill and eat."

14"Surely not, Lord!" Peter replied. "I have never eaten anything impure or unclean."

15The voice spoke to him a second time, "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean."

16This happened three times, and immediately the sheet was taken back to heaven.

17While Peter was wondering about the meaning of the vision, the men sent by Cornelius found out where Simon's house was and stopped at the gate. 18They called out, asking if Simon who was known as Peter was staying there.

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now, Acts, begins AFTER the gospels end and Christians claim that Jesus made Peter the "head of the church"; this being the case, how could Peter STILL be following Jewish Law on kosher food? easy, the laws on Kosher food were NEVER changes in the early church!

The Torah contains laws declaring PEOPLE unclean at various times and this was a coming change in the Jewish deen.

according to Acts, Peter is told 3 TIMES to eat various food and HE REFUSED EACH TIME! sound precedent setting to me as this is the final time the food issue is raised in the "New Testament."

edit: about an hour after i edited my post and added: "as this is the final time the food issue is raised in the "New Testament."

Posted by Azy
Acts 15
28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements:
29You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things. Farewell.

The teachings of Jesus are meant to supercede Mosaic law, and the above are the only hard rules about prohibition

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don't you hate it when that happens!

but at any rate IT IS NOT Peter, "The Rock upon which I will build my church" saying this, it is one of the James' upon a request from Paul!

Alaikym Salam

Nice thread.....

I think most of the christians don't read the Bible(also with understanding) at all, or even touch it!
And also because is very cheap...so if one person starts to eat it, all people around joins him without even thinking...
Some christians are saying that it not even tasty!

Wasalam!

Acts 15
28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements:
29You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things. Farewell.

The teachings of Jesus are meant to supercede Mosaic law, and the above are the only hard rules about prohibition.

Azy said:

Acts 15
28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements:
29You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things. Farewell.

The teachings of Jesus are meant to supercede Mosaic law, and the above are the only hard rules about prohibition.

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Jesus didn't say this, so it is not the teaching of Jesus....you are confusing the teachings of Jesus with the teachings of Paul.

Jesus said: Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. Where did Jesus change His mind and then say He came to change Mosaic Law??

Who is lying? Jesus or Paul??

Hana

RighteousLady said:

Greetings.

The Christian is likely to be convinced by his religious scriptures. The Bible prohibits the consumption of pork, in the book of Leviticus

"And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be cloven footed, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you".

"Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not touch, they are unclean to you." [Leviticus 11:7-8]

Pork is also prohibited in the Bible in the book of Deuteronomy

"And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you. Ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcass."
[Deuteronomy 14:8]

A similar prohibition is repeated in the Bible in the book of Isaiah chapter 65 verse 2-5.

Why Christians do eat pork despite its forbidden in the Bible?

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seriously? christians ask me why we don't eat pork, lol

Azy said:

Acts 15
28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond the following requirements:
29You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things. Farewell.

The teachings of Jesus are meant to supercede Mosaic law, and the above are the only hard rules about prohibition.

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seems to me people are just bending the rules to suit themselves

aadil77 said:

seems to me people are just bending the rules to suit themselves

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What???? Impossible! That has NEVER, Never happened!

^^LoL. Ya right :S I suppose thats sarcasm?

To try to understand Islam better, I read the Koran. If you want to understand Christianity better, you might consider reading the whole Bible, including the New Testament. Jesus fulfilled the old law. We don't follow the dietary laws given to the Jews. Christians don't make animal sacrifices for their sins, either. One of the passages relating to diet is from Romans 14:

13Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother's way. 14As one who is in the Lord Jesus, I am fully convinced that no food is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for him it is unclean. 15If your brother is distressed because of what you eat, you are no longer acting in love. Do not by your eating destroy your brother for whom Christ died. 16Do not allow what you consider good to be spoken of as evil. 17For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, 18because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and approved by men.

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Also, the dietary laws were given to the Jews. The Gentiles were never required to follow the dietary laws.

lso, the dietary laws were given to the Jews. The Gentiles were never required to follow the dietary laws.

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What do you mean by these laws were only given to jews?
If it is says clearly in the bible that something is forbidden,
then why would it apply to only a certain people. Shouldn't it apply to everyone?

To be honest the passage you've quoted underneath just sounds to me
like its been added in to the new testament, you can't get more contradicting than that, anyway thats my opinion

God also instructed Moses and his brother Aaron about clean and unclean Foods (Leviticus 11).

Now, let’s look at Leviticus 11 and see what it says. In Leviticus 11:3, it says “Of all that live on land, these are the ones you may eat: you may eat any animal that has a split hoof completely divided and that chews the cud.”

In other words, God said if the animial has a completely divided hoof and it chews its cud, then you can eat it. But, if it has a completely divided hoof but does not chew its cud, you can’t eat it. Also, if it chews its cud, but does not have a completely divided hoof, you can’t eat it. So by Leviticus 11, you can’t eat Camels, Rabbits or Pigs. Pigs were also not even to be touched, alive or dead. You were also not to eat some sea creatures that don’t have fins and scales. Birds were not to be eaten because they were detestable, as were insects. The animals were clean and unclean, because God said they were: that is the only reason we know. We could guess some other reasons, but we have no reason to guess at God’s reasons, since He is God and we are not, and it’s right to do what He wishes, since He is God.

The Dietary Laws of Leviticus 11, continued through the reign of King David, and through to his son King Solomon and his temple, right through to the captivity in Babylon. The Dietary Laws lasted up until the days of Jesus

What happened that allowed Christians to eat these unclean foods, especially Pig? Was it man who changed?

aadil77 said:

What do you mean by these laws were only given to jews?
If it is says clearly in the bible that something is forbidden,
then why would it apply to only a certain people. Shouldn't it apply to everyone?

To be honest the passage you've quoted underneath just sounds to me
like its been added in to the new testament, you can't get more contradicting than that, anyway thats my opinion

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Who was the Old Testament written to? - the Jews, God's chosen people. God never said: Now go tell the Gentiles to practice the same dietary laws and make animal sacrifices for their sins.

You might try reading the New Testament. You'll see that passage is a part of a larger chapter.