Hijamah/Blood-letting Cupping & Reviving the Sunnah

[Snowflake]

asalam alaikum wr wb,

Bismillahir Rahmanir Rahim

Rasullah Saw said, “Whoever revives an aspect of my Sunnah that is forgotten after my death, he will have a reward equivalent to that of the people who follow him, without it detracting in the least from their reward."

Hijamah

Hijama is also known as cupping or bloodletting therapy. It is a process of removing blood from the body and it is distinctive from the well-known practice of bloodletting or cupping because Hijama is governed by specific times that it should take place as well as specific points on the body that enhances health, detoxifies the body and builds up immunity. Hereinafter, cupping will be referred to as Hijama.

Hijama is actually an ancient treatment that originated in China thousands of years ago. This therapy was originally known as ‘cupping’ because of the use of the cup as a therapeutic tool. The practitioner pumps air into the cup, either manually or by means of a suction device, to create a vacuum.

Al Hijama is an Arabic word meaning ‘sucking’. It comes from the Arabic root ‘Al Hajm’. Al Hajjam is the name given to the practioner and Hijama is the name given to the profession. The word al Mihjam refers to the vessel in which the blood is collected.

Hijama in Religious Practice

There is an Islamic basis for Hijama therapy. As previously mentioned, the word ‘hijama’ is an Arabic word and Muhammad (peace be upon him) urged his followers to use this therapy as a means of healing and preventive medicine. The following is some essential information about Muhammad (PBUH) who spoke about the benefits and details of Hijama.



Hadith (sayings of the prophet). The following are some hadith about Hijama therapy.

Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) said, “I did not pass by any group on the night of Al Isra, unless they said to me, ‘O Muhammad, tell your Ummah to do Hijama.” (Reference: Ibn Majah, 3477)

The Prophet (PBUH) explained that Hijama is one of the best medicines: “The best medicine with which you treat yourselves is Hijama, or it is one of the best of your medicines,” or “The best treatment you can use is Hijama.” (Reference: Al Bukhari, 5371)

Muhammad (PBUH) said: “Hijama is the most helpful procedure for human beings to cure themselves.” (Reference: Al Bukhari, 5357)

The Prophet (PBUH) also said: “If there is anything good in the medicines with which you treat yourselves, it is in the incision of the Hijama therapist, or a drink of honey or cauterization with fire, but I do not like to be cauterized.” (Reference: Muslim, 2205)

The Prophet (PBUH) said: “The best treatment is Hijama; it removes blood, lightens the back and sharpens the eyesight.” (Reference: At Tirmidhi, 3053)

Anas narrated that the Prophet (PBUH) used to have Hijama done on the veins on the side of the neck and the upper back. (Reference: At Tirmidhi)

Jaabir ibn Abdullah narrated that Umm Salama asked permission from the Prophet (PBUH) to do Hijama. So the Prophet (PBUH)ordered Abu Teeba to do Hijama for her. Jaabir ibn Abdullah said, “I think he (PBUH) said that Abu Teeba is her brother through breastfeeding or a young boy who hadn’t yet reached puberty. (Reference: Saheeh Muslim, 5708)

Ibn Umar reported that the Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said, “Hijama on an empty stomach is best. It increases the intellect and improves the memory. It improves the memory of the one memorizing. So whoever, is going to have Hijama done should do it on a Thursday in the name of Allah the Almighty. Keep away from having Hijama done on a Friday, Saturday and Sunday. Have Hijama done on a Monday or Tuesday. Do not have Hijama done on a Wednesday because it is the day that Ayyub [Job](PBUH) was befallen with the trial. You will not find leprosy except by

having Hijama on Wednesday or Wednesday night.” (Reference: Saheeh Sunan ibn Maajah, 3488).

Benefits of Hijama

Hijama has stimulating and strengthening effects so it successfully treats the following conditions: constipation and diarrhea, headaches, back pain, arthritis, period pain, injuries, asthma, cellulite, fatigue, anemia, depression and emotional problems, atrophy, sciatica, common cold and flu, skin problems, weight loss and much more.

Even though Hijama is a very simple procedure, it has dramatic effects. Our health and well-being are tied up with the immune system and are totally dependent on the flow of blood and Qi (energy) and body fluids like hormones and lymphatic fluid. Traditional medicine tells us that all pain is due to stagnation of these symptoms. The cups used in Hijama have a wonderful pulling power and this is a dramatic technique in reducing pain and enhancing the feeling of well-being.



Importance of the skin

Any stimulus that is directed to influence and manipulate the internal or external organs must start with the skin. The body’s first contact with the outside world is through the skin and it is true to say that the skin is the mirror of our health. If a person has good health, his or her skin will be shiny, tight and smooth and will respond to temperature and will be warm when touched. The skin protects the body from pathogens and plays a role in a number of body functions. It is the main organ of sensation, through many millions of nerve endings contained in its structure.

The main fourteen channels with a direct link to the internal organs lie within the skin. When stimulating a particular point through Hijama, the organ’s blood and Qi is manipulated. In Chinese medicine the skin is directly controlled and influenced by the lungs. The lungs spread the Qi and fluids all over the body through the skin.



Blood

Blood is transformed from the essence of food produced through the functional activity of Qi that circulates through the blood vessels and nourishes the body tissue. Blood is derived from food and Qi and

produced by the spleen. (Blood will be discussed in detail in the section about the anatomy of the body)



Qi

Qi is the invisible life force – like air and wind. The West tries to define Qi as ‘the energy of life’, ‘vital force’, ‘life force’, ‘energy’, but there is no Western equivalent. When we are ill we feel weak and have a low energy level but when we feel better we feel more energetic and much stronger. So we all experience the existence of Qi continuously.
Movement of any kind requires Qi and often this is manifested as heat. Lack of energy is signified by cold.

When treating a disease at the Qi level, the external pathogen is still fighting at the skin and the body’s overall resistance is still good. Some clinical manifestations of this are a high fever, a cough with thin yellow phlegm, wheezing and thirst. Hijama treatment at this level is very effective.



Stagnation

Stagnation of body systems can be the result of lack of movement, injury, stress, a lack of blood, Qi or the invasion of cold into the body and joints. Cold drinks and foods or irregular feeding habits can also cause accumulation problems. All these impair the Spleen’s function of transformation and transportation. Clinical manifestations of this are restlessness, vomiting, the production of phlegm, diarrhea, constipation, a hardened stomach and painful abdomen. Hijama relieves all these symptoms.

Regardless of the cause, Hijama can be applied to specific points of the body like what is done in acupuncture, to the area that is dysfunctional. After a short time the patient will feel warmth and there will be a reduction of pain.

Fluids in the body can also become stagnant and they are necessary to help the stomach carry out its proper digestive function.


Hijama therapy regulates the flow of Qi and blood. It also helps draw out and eliminate pathogenic factors like wind, cold, damp and heat. Hijama also moves Qi and blood and opens the pores of the skin, thus, assisting the removal of pathogens through the skin.



Beauty therapy

Hijama is also beneficial in beauty therapy as it promotes the production of hormones, encourages blood flow and body fluid movement in the bowels and internal organs. In this way toxins are removed and this is important because toxins speed up the aging process and cause other negative conditions.




Aging

Authentic holistic therapy balances all aspects of the body. The aging process speeds up when individual cells dry out, or too much sun. Kidney weakness also speeds up the aging process and leads to dry and damaged hair, early graying or hair loss. Imbalance in ladies also manifests in the early signs of menopause with hot flushes, night sweats and dry skin. Simply applying external lotion to the skin or hair does not access the root cause.




Stimulating and strengthening effects

The benefits of Hijama are uncountable due to its stimulating and strengthening effects. It has treated bowel conditions, headaches, back pain, arthritis, menstrual pain, injuries, asthma, cellulite, fatigue, anemia, depression and emotional problems, atrophy, sciatica, common cold and flu, skin problems, blood pressure, weight loss and ladies problems.

The negative role of toxins in the degeneration of health is of ever-increasing importance. Even though modern medicine has eradicated many epidemics there is an increase in what is called civilization diseases (metabolism diseases). These diseases are caused by the great quantity of chemicals a person takes during his or her lifetime. A recent American statistic on food additives shows a 100-pound intake per person in his life span. The average American takes about 1000 tablets a year. This is a health catastrophe. Modern medicine differs greatly from its ancestors who maintained that the body functions are interrelated in a network.




Release of toxins and impurities

One of the main functions of Hijama treatment is that it releases toxins with minimal additional stress to internal organs. It also directly de-acidifies tissues, enhances blood circulation, stimulates the immune system and reduces stress as it releases chemicals in the brain that reduce stress and depression. Another benefit of Hijama therapy is that it facilitates a sufficient flow of nutrition to the affected tissues and stimulates the flow of blood and lymph to the affected area. In this way, it improves blood and lymph flow, and activates the function of the organs. Performing Hijama on the corresponding organ points is used to treat disorders such as liver and kidney problems, respiratory diseases, digestive disorders and some gynecological disorders.

In ancient times, Hijama did not have specific indications and was mainly used to drain blood and pus from abscess and for sucking blood from poisoned wounds and snakebites. However, in later times this therapy expanded to encompass illnesses related to internal medicine such as pulmonary tuberculosis, rheumatism, abdominal pain, stomach ache, indigestion, headache, hypertension, common cold, lumbago, backache, swelling and eye pain and boils. In some places, Hijama therapy was used in conjunction with acupuncture. Today, Hijama is used to treat colds, lung infections and problems in the internal organs. It is also used to treat muscle spasms especially in the back. It can also be used to treat painful joints, stomachache, vomiting and diarrhea. Since Hijama stimulates the flow of blood it helps to treat blood stagnation, poor circulation, and asthmatic conditions.




Immunity

Hijama strengthens the body’s resistance and eliminates pathogenic factors and so prevents illness. It also regulates the function of the blood and promotes general good health. By creating localized bruising, it activates the body’s defensive cells to heal the bruised area.

In the past, people who were not ill often had Hijama done twice a year; in the spring and the autumn believing that thinning the blood would promote good health. This continued to the 19th century and was a regular practice.



Pearl divers in the Arabian Gulf used to undergo Hijama before the diving season in the belief that this would prevent diseases during the three months at sea. It was also thought to be very effective against dizziness.

Dr. Katase from Osaka University maintained that Hijama influences the composition of blood as it increases red and white blood cells and changes acid blood into alkaline or neutral blood thereby leading to the purification of blood. It also purifies the body of accumulated irritants that cause inflammation.

Recent studies indicate that having Hijama done at specific points on the back increases immunity by increasing the white blood cell count. In addition to enhancing the body’s defenses, Hijama regulates blood circulation throughout the entire body. The flow of blood in the human body is very important as it regulates, coordinates and unifies the organs via the blood vessels. The flow of blood is the life force that maintains health and each organ receives its requirements of nourishment to maintain a healthy, normal state. The blood flows throughout the body nourishing tissues and enhancing the immune system.




Effect on circulatory system

Hijama also has a positive effect on the circulatory system. Due to the pull of low pressure, the flow of blood in arteries and veins increases and in the veins localized congested blood appears then disappears. With Hijama therapy it is possible to ease the interruption of blood circulation and congestion and to eliminate the inflammatory fluids from the tissues. So the greatest characteristic of Hijama is the facilitation of blood flow.




Effect on muscles

The pull of low pressure Hijama therapy activates the blood vessels within the muscles. The expansion of the blood vessels in the muscles facilitates the flow of blood and has a remarkable effect on stiff shoulder. After Hijama, the skin will glow because of the rise in skin temperature and muscles because of the increased blood flow.




Effect on diseases

Almost all diseases respond to Hijama. The following are some of the most common:


Pain related conditions

Hijama eases pain, especially that which is related to headache, menstrual cramps, dental pain, tennis elbow, muscle pain, back pain and sciatica.

Headache and migraine

In the 18th century Hijama was considered to be an effective remedy for headache and it was highly recommended for migraine. The Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) used Hijama as a treatment for migraine.

Rheumatic diseases

Many rheumatic disorders simply disappear after just a few sessions of Hijama therapy. It has a great effect on back and joint problems and is especially helpful for conditions such as rheumatism, lumbago and stiff neck and shoulders because it increases blood circulation and mobility. By supplying more oxygen, hormones and essential enzymes to local tissues and joints, Hijama keeps local tissues warm and this increases elasticity and flexibility in muscles and joints. It also relieves muscle spasms and stiffness in muscular tissue and the pain that is associated with it. It has a remarkable effect on a stiff (frozen) shoulder. It is also effective for chronic joint rheumatism as it facilitates the flow of blood to the joints. It also removes congested blood and solves problems that can not be solved with acupuncture.

Arthritis

In the beginning, Hijama was recommended for the treatment of arthritis and pain as well as gout. When treating arthritis the treatment is concentrated on the area of the joints concerned. If it is a mild case it is possible to have a complete cure.


Low back pain

Hijama relieves low back pain and in chronic cases it can be used along with acupuncture.


Chronic Fatigue Syndrome

Chronic fatigue syndrome is long-standing severe fatigue without substantial muscle weakness and without proven physical or psychological causes. It has been found that Hijama along with acupuncture is an effective treatment.

Fevers and local inflammation

Chinese doctors believe that a number of diseases are the result of blood stagnation and heat. They used Hijama to remove stagnant blood, activate blood circulation and dispel pathogenic factors. Hijama was used on patients suffering from flu, headache and fever.

Chest and heart diseases

Hijama is also recommended for the treatment of lung diseases, especially chronic cough, pleurisy, bronchial congestion and asthma. It was also advocated for the treatment of congestive heart failure until the 1930s. As recently as 1942, medical textbooks advised Hijama for high fever pneumonia and acute pneumonia. Hijama also successfully treats hypertension.

Gastrointestinal diseases

The stomach, spleen and intestines are considered to be the most important engines of the human body. From these areas the natural healing power of the body derives its energy. Dry Hijama stimulates the insides of these organs, their movement and secretion of digestive fluids and so strengthens the power of digestion, the absorption of nourishment and the power of secretion. It relives chronic gastroenteritis and constipation. These organs also benefit from Hijama treatment applied to the back as it stimulates the spinal nerves and automatic nerves as well as strengthening the muscles of the respiratory system.

Urinary diseases

Hijama therapy is known to treat stones, abscess and urine retention. Cups can be applied to the lumber region to treat urine retention.

Dermatologic diseases

The skin disorders that are well-known to be treated by Hijama are: boils, abscess, herpes, acne, cellulite and urticaria. Sometimes acupuncture is used in conjunction with Hijama.

Hijama therapy is also known to stimulate hair growth through direct physical stimuli on hair roots and the expansion of blood vessels of the skin through the pull of low pressure.

The skin is benefited in many ways through Hijama treatment as it stimulates the flow of lymph fluids which helps remove bacteria and carry proteins. This strengthens the power of the skin and its resistance to many harmful conditions, meaning it would regenerate faster if it is cut or wounded. The enhancement of blood circulation encourages a sufficient supply of nutrition to skin tissue. After Hijama, skin temperature rises and increases blood flow. Hijama also improves skin respiration and promotes gaseous exchange within cells. It also promotes metabolism within skin tissues and accelerates the functions of both sweat and sebaceous glands leading to the secretion of salts, sebaceous material and the excretion of sweat.

The essential point of Hijama is not only to expel stagnant blood but also to expand blood vessels to facilitate blood flow and remove toxic substances from the surface of the skin.

Psychological diseases

Hijama therapy is like massage and is effective against anxiety and worry. Hence, insomnia is treated with Hijama in conjunction with massage. It also helps balance hormones, which is very effective when treating depression.

Infectious diseases

In the 18th century Hijama was considered an effective remedy for cholera and in America Hijama was encouraged during yellow fever epidemics. Furthermore, mumps was treated by applying water Hijama over the swollen glands.


Varicose veins

Hijama removes stagnant blood from these fine capillaries. Hijama should never be done directly on the main varicose veins.

Cancer

Most conventional doctors are trained to perform surgery, radiation therapy and chemotherapy to treat cancer. As the rate of cancer patients is soaring worldwide every available therapy should be utilized. Although there is no documented evidence that hijama cures cancer, it is known to dramatically improve the condition of the patient. Some practitioners use it to rebalance energy in the body that has been blocked by certain tumors. Hijama is effective for undoing the damage done to patients by conventional therapies of chemotherapy and radiotherapy. Hijama has found a place in cancer therapy, not yet as a cure, but as a complementary therapy that helps patient feel better, detox, relieve pain and recover faster. During chemotherapy the immune system is depleted and Hijama helps repair the immune system and strengthens it to withstand further attack.


Contraindications

Hijama should not be performed on open wounds or around skin ulcers. It is contraindicated on irritated skin or over allergic skin or where any skin lesions are present. It should also be avoided in elderly people with thin, delicate skin. If the patient has a bleeding disorder Hijama should not be done. It is also unadvisable to perform Hijama wherever there are great vessels, and it is also not beneficial if the patient has serious heart disease.


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[Danah]

Masha allah very good post sis

some here are still use it, but in most cases in the traditional therapy centers.
I remembered mom used it once in the past

[Snowflake]

jazakAllah khair sis

where is 'here' btw? may I also ask what your mum used it for?

[Danah]

I think she did it long time ago, maybe before 20 or more years
and here is UAE sis

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[julie sarri]

My husband had it done once but i think you may need to have it done more than once if you have a specific issue

[Snowflake]

I think she did it long time ago, maybe before 20 or more years
and here is UAE sis

Thanks sis. It's also a good thing to have it done regularly as prevention against disease. I'm also wondering which tools were used when your mum had it done?

My husband had it done once but i think you may need to have it done more than once if you have a specific issue

Yes, it depends on the problem. It's good to have it done anyway for the purpose of fulfilling a sunnah. Just make sure, the practitioner is qualified.

[Snowflake]

hijamah workshops

bismilah arrahmaan arraheem assalumu alaikum wa rahmatulah wa barakatuhu


confirmed venues for wet cupping (hijama) workshops for sisters only:


Venue: Mka community centre
1 connaught street
highfields
leicestershire
le2 1fj



date: Sunday 26th october 2008
time: 3pm to 8pm
venue: Subud centre
69 swarcliffe road
darnall
sheffield
south yorkshire
s9 3fa



date: Monday 27th october 2008
time: 12pm to 4.45pm
venue: 9 westbourne road
queens park
bedford
bedfordshire
mk40 4lb



date: Sunday 9th november 2008
time: 3pm to 8pm
venues to be confirmed inshallah; cranford, kilburn, east london, slough and croydon.



Cost: Alhamdilah all our cupping workshops are free. There is a charge of £30 for the materials required if you wish to participate in the practical. However, this is optional and everyone is welcome to attend. We kindly request sisters to support us by purchasing the materials for the practical (if they wish to participate) even if they already have some of the materials. This will enable us to be able to cover our overheads and continue to offer the workshops inshallah.

Materials include:

6 cup cupping therapy box set with chrome coated suction pump for dry and massage cupping

1 cupping therapy plastic cup for wet cupping

1 plastic suction pump for wet cupping

cupping (hijama) information pack

’cupping - the great missing therapy’ by dr. Sahbaa m.bondok

all disposable materials required for wet cupping



certificates: Certificates of completion will be available for sisters who participate in the practical inshallah. The certificates are issued and authenticated by 'ibn sina for cupping', madina, saudi arabia. Certificates cost an additional £65 (authenticated) and £45 (not authenticated). All certificates will be sent recorded delivery after the workshop inshallah. Sisters who would like authenticated certificates, will need to provide their full name, address, contact number, a copy of either their birth certificate, driving licence or passport.



Important: Those participating in the practical do so at their own responsibility, no responsibility will be taken by the course organisers or the venue. Strictly no children allowed for safety reasons.


We will also be offering other remedies from the sunnah inshallah including:


Honey


ajwa dates

berni dates

kohl ithmid

talbina



if you wish to attend any of the workshops, please kindly let us know so we may ensure we have sufficient supplies for everyone inshallah.



Wet cupping is best performed on an empty stomach. If you wish in the participate in the practical, please kindly avoid eating once the workshop commences. Inshallah the practical should begin approximately 3 hours into the workshop.



Please continue to check our 'cupping courses' page for more uk venues for our workshops inshallah:



http://healthmeanswealth.co.uk/index...upping_courses

we are currently taking bookings for our summer workshops. If you have a public venue, islamic centre, school, college etc and would like us to run a workshop for sisters only there, please kindly contact us at the email below:

enquiries@healthmeanswealth.co.uk

the workshops will run in the uk between july 2008 and december 2008 inshallah.


We pray you find this information helpful. Please do not hesitate to contact us if you have any queries, comments or feedback.

Jazakallah khair for your support.


The messenger (sallallaahu Álayhi wasallam) said, "whoever revives a
sunnah from my sunnah and the people practise it, will have the same reward of those who practise it without their reward diminishing…"
[sunan ibn maajah (209)].


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[hejamah]

salam alaikom all,

There is an official society (British Cupping Society) that has been established by a team of muslim medical professionals.

Here is a very good article written by them:
http://www.islam21c.com/general/al-h...g-therapy.html

I highly recomend them and the practice of Cupping Therapy.

allah ma3ak.

[Nawal89]

My dad had hijamah done twice. Each time so much blood came out it was scary!

[nebula]

gd post sister

i just watched a video on youtube showing the cupping process on a bro's back!

it looked very painful :( i dont know if id have the guts to do that to be honest

[zhijama]

sallams please visit my site

ww.zhijama.co.uk

Dr Abu Zakariya

[shuaib]

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Excellent post, and by that I mean the detailed reasons and effects discussed of Hijama Therapy.

I have just published a post on my blog about cupping therapy ([removed]) entitled:

The Two (no Three!) Main Reasons to have Hijama (Cupping) Therapy!

And I am glad to find a more comprehensive discussion on the subject.

Yes I am all for reviving this amazing highly mysterious sunnah therapy, which I would personally describe as the "fastest and most direct detox known to mankind".

Given the increased additives, pollutants and toxins in our foods, drink and environment, I'm sure this therapy, if established in a clean & hygienic setting, would appeal to many people worldwide, and not just Muslims.

Come on guys, there is a big opportunity to make this a worldwide phenomenon for the greater good of all humanity!

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[Snowflake]

asalamu alaykum & jazakAllahy kharun all

Nawal and Nebula, Hijamah isn't painful at all. The pain should be no more than the equivalence of a pin prick or a nick of a blade and each cut no longer than 3mm should only be a graze on the skin's surface. The cut should never ever go right through the skin. The bleeding depends on the amount of stagnant blood there is in the treated area (and other factors). Anyone doing it differently isn't performing Hijamah properly. If it makes you feel any better, I have had it done twice on the back (sunnah spot both times). I've also without flinching have done it on myself and my mum.


brothers, zhijamah and shuaib. thank you for sharing your website and blog. Both look very good mashaAllah. But I'll have to browse properly when I have more time. InshaAllah.


assalamu alaykum.

[Dr Al-Hajjam]

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Practicing mainly in the West Midlands, Luton and East London areas, UK.

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* Revive the sunnah of Hijamah *

“I did not pass by any group on the night of Al Isra (night ascension), except that they said to me: "Oh Muhammad (SAW), tell your Ummah to do Hijamah.” (Ibn Majah, 3477)

Rasulullah (SAW) praised a person who performs cupping, saying “it removes blood, lightens the back and sharpens the eyesight.”(Jamul Warsaii, p.179)

[al Amaanah]

:salamext:

jazaaki Allaho khayr.

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[CosmicPathos]

is there any evidence that cupping works in the context of modern diseases which were not present during the time of the Prophet (saw)?

I hope cupping is not made universal to cure "ALL" diseases like all those pseudo-scientific claims made by "detox" products designed to remove "toxins" from bodies by drinking "tons" of water which IMPAIRS blood osmolarity!

And letting blood flow like that, does not it increase the risk of infections?

[جوري]

is there any evidence that cupping works in the context of modern diseases which were not present during the time of the Prophet (saw)?

I hope cupping is not made universal to cure "ALL" diseases like all those pseudo-scientific claims made by "detox" products designed to remove "toxins" from bodies by drinking "tons" of water which IMPAIRS blood osmolarity!

And letting blood flow like that, does not it increase the risk of infections?

:sl:

blood letting would be the mainstay treatment for hemochromatosis or Polycythemia vera amongst a few others..

I don't think blood letting is a cure for all certainly the diseases that are rampant now a days weren't millenniums ago, however I am a very strong believer in prophetic medicine and when I get sick myself always look for prophetic medicine before I concede to a modern day cure.. In fact was quite pleased to learn of Talbina from my last thread .. I have purchased it by mail and waiting to try it insha'Allah..

To every ailment there is a cure, so tells us prophet Mohammed PBUH and I believe it is just a matter of finding out what it is and knowing ultimately that shiffa comes from Allah swt, everything is but an instrument that Allah swt allows us to achieve success..

and Allah swt knows best

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[CosmicPathos]

:sl:

blood letting would be the mainstay treatment for hemochromatosis or Polycythemia vera amongst a few others..

I don't think blood letting is a cure for all certainly the diseases that are rampant now a days weren't millenniums ago, however I am a very strong believer in prophetic medicine and when I get sick myself always look for prophetic medicine before I concede to a modern day cure.. In fact was quite pleased to learn of Talbina from my last thread .. I have purchased it by mail and waiting to try it insha'Allah..

To every ailment there is a cure, so tells us prophet Mohammed PBUH and I believe it is just a matter of finding out what it is and knowing ultimately that shiffa comes from Allah swt, everything is but an instrument that Allah swt allows us to achieve success..

and Allah swt knows best

:w:

:sl:

I agree that many people get shifa from that which might not be apparently "scientific." Allhamdulillah, my problems decreased just by moving to a weather in which I was born long time ago! The derm thought that it would not benefit me. Sub7anAllah.

[Maryan0]

My mom and grandma do this. I had no idea it had basis in Islam, I assumed it was tradition/culture.
Jazakhallah for this thread.
Salam

[Muslim Woman]

:sl:

I am not sure if Hajamah can be done in my country ( Bangladesh ) . Never saw any ad or nobody told s/he did it here .

Is any modern technique available similar to hajamah ?

[shuaib]

:sl:

I am not sure if Hajamah can be done in my country ( Bangladesh ) . Never saw any ad or nobody told s/he did it here .

Is any modern technique available similar to hajamah ?

Salams

We are running a hijama blog at [removed] and also assisting in compiling a comprehensive directory inshaAllah at www.hijamadirectory.co.uk

So would suggest you sign up on the blog with your email address, and as soon as we hear about anybody in Bangladesh we will try to post it on the blog inshaAllah.

Salams

Shuaib

[Froggy]

is there any evidence that cupping works in the context of modern diseases which were not present during the time of the Prophet (saw)?

I hope cupping is not made universal to cure "ALL" diseases like all those pseudo-scientific claims made by "detox" products designed to remove "toxins" from bodies by drinking "tons" of water which IMPAIRS blood osmolarity!

And letting blood flow like that, does not it increase the risk of infections?

I looked up cupping and this is what I have found on English language wikipedia:
It's a hadith, not sure whether authentic or not.
Whoever performs cupping (hijama) on the 17th, 19th or 21st day (of the Islamic, lunar month) then it is a cure for every disease” [Sahih Sunan abi Dawud 3861]

[Froggy]

To every ailment there is a cure, so tells us prophet Mohammed PBUH and I believe it is just a matter of finding out what it is a

Is it plausible to say serious genetic will ever be curable, even are curable?

[جوري]

Is it plausible to say serious genetic will ever be curable, even are curable?

I do believe that yes... Suret Yunus (Jonah) speaks of how the day of Judgment shall not come to be until the world:
10:24---when the earth hath taken on her ornaments and is embellished, and her people deem that they are masters of her, Our commandment cometh by night or by day and We make it as reaped corn as if it had not flourished yesterday.


So you I believe that there will be a time when folks on earth will think they have mastered everything and of course there is (No God) and that is when they will be seized.. when they are most comfortable!


peace

[Froggy]

How do you, as a doctor, interpret Muhammad's saying the black seed is a cure for every disease but death?
Besides the black seed, I think similar properties were ascribed by the prophet to zam-zam-water and this cupping thing (provided the hadith I posted is authentic).

[جوري]

How do you, as a doctor, interpret Muhammad's saying the black seed is a cure for every disease but death?
Besides the black seed, I think similar properties were ascribed by the prophet to zam-zam-water and this cupping thing (provided the hadith I posted is authentic).

Prophetic medicine is an entire compendium:
http://www.islamhouse.com/p/51834
so I don't know how you can spin a compendium around three items and label them as a cure for all (I'll have to read in Arabic tongue) feeh shiffa'a li'nas, denotes there is a healing for mankind, but that doesn't translate to a cure-all--I certainly do believe that there is a healing in prophetic medicine.

I would definitely supplement any treatment regimen with black-seed and honey and I often do in fact!

peace

[Froggy]

so I don't know how you can spin a compendium around three items and label them as a cure for all (I'll have to read in Arabic tongue) feeh shiffa'a li'nas, denotes there is a healing for mankind, but that doesn't translate to a cure-all--

I was referring to hadiths from a chapter called MEdicine by Bukhari:

Narrated Khalid bin Sad: We went out and Ghalib bin Abjar was accompanying us. He fell ill on the way and when we arrived at Medina he was still sick. Ibn Abi 'Atiq came to visit him and said to us, "Treat him with black cumin. Take five or seven seeds and crush them (mix the powder with oil) and drop the resulting mixture into both nostrils, for 'Aisha has narrated to me that she heard the Prophet saying, 'This black cumin is healing for all diseases except As-Sam.' Aisha said, 'What is As-Sam?' He said, 'Death."



I do not speak Arabic, does the above hadith say black seeds can cure all diseases or not?

[CosmicPathos]

I was referring to hadiths from a chapter called MEdicine by Bukhari:

Narrated Khalid bin Sad: We went out and Ghalib bin Abjar was accompanying us. He fell ill on the way and when we arrived at Medina he was still sick. Ibn Abi 'Atiq came to visit him and said to us, "Treat him with black cumin. Take five or seven seeds and crush them (mix the powder with oil) and drop the resulting mixture into both nostrils, for 'Aisha has narrated to me that she heard the Prophet saying, 'This black cumin is healing for all diseases except As-Sam.' Aisha said, 'What is As-Sam?' He said, 'Death."



I do not speak Arabic, does the above hadith say black seeds can cure all diseases or not?

If that is to be interpreted in that way then why did Muhammad (Saw) supposedly contradict himself when he told a group of people to drink camel urine and not black cumin seeds, if he seriously believed that it has cure for all diseases?

[barney]

Some more here from a modern scientific point of veiw, Just to prevent anyone trying this as an actual cure for something and ending up dead or braindamaged.

In short for those who dont care to read. Bloodletting is an old outdated practice based on bad science. It has a highly limited value and is avoided whenever possible by modern medicine.

Bloodletting (or blood-letting) is the withdrawal of often considerable quantities of blood from a patient to cure or prevent illness and disease. It was the most common medical practice performed by doctors from antiquity up to the late 19th century, a time span of almost 2,000 years.[1] The practice has been abandoned for all except a few very specific conditions.[2] It is conceivable that historically, in the absence of other treatments for hypertension, bloodletting could sometimes have had a beneficial effect in temporarily reducing blood pressure by a reduction in blood volume.[3] However, since hypertension is very often asymptomatic and thus undiagnosable without modern methods, this effect was unintentional. In the overwhelming majority of cases, the historical use of bloodletting was harmful to patients.[4]

Bloodletting is one of the oldest medical practices, having been practiced among ancient peoples including the Mesopotamians, the Egyptians, the Greeks, the Mayans, and the Aztecs.[3] In Greece, bloodletting was in use around the time of Hippocrates, who mentions bloodletting but in general relied on dietary techniques.[8] Erasistratus, however, theorized that many diseases were caused by plethoras, or overabundances, in the blood and advised that these plethoras be treated, initially, by exercise, sweating, reduced food intake, and vomiting.[9] Herophilus advocated bloodletting. Archagathus, one of the first Greek physicians to practice in Rome, also believed in the value of bloodletting.[10]

"Bleeding" a patient to health was modeled on the process of menstruation. Hippocrates believed that menstruation functioned to "purge women of bad humors". Galen of Rome, a student of Hippocrates, began physician-initiated bloodletting.[11]

The popularity of bloodletting in Greece was reinforced by the ideas of Galen, after he discovered that veins and arteries were filled with blood, not air as was commonly believed at the time. There were two key concepts in his system of bloodletting. The first was that blood was created and then used up; it did not circulate, and so it could "stagnate" in the extremities. The second was that humoral balance was the basis of illness or health, the four humours being blood, phlegm, black bile, and yellow bile, relating to the four Greek classical elements of air, water, earth and fire. Galen believed that blood was the dominant humour and the one in most need of control. In order to balance the humours, a physician would either remove "excess" blood (plethora) from the patient or give them an emetic to induce vomiting, or a diuretic to induce urination.

Galen created a complex system of how much blood should be removed based on the patient's age, constitution, the season, the weather and the place. Symptoms of plethora were believed to include fever, apoplexy, and headache. The blood to be let was of a specific nature determined by the disease: either arterial or venous, and distant or close to the area of the body affected. He linked different blood vessels with different organs, according to their supposed drainage. For example, the vein in the right hand would be let for liver problems and the vein in the left hand for problems with the spleen. The more severe the disease, the more blood would be let. Fevers required copious amounts of bloodletting.

The Talmud recommended a specific day of the week and days of the month for bloodletting, and similar rules, though less codified, can be found among Christian writings advising which saints' days were favourable for bloodletting. Islamic medical authors too advised bloodletting, particularly for fevers. The practice was probably passed to them by the Greeks; when Islamic theories became known in the Latin-speaking countries of Europe, bloodletting became more widespread. Together with cautery, it was central to Arabic surgery; the key texts Kitab al-Qanun and especially Al-Tasrif li-man 'ajaza 'an al-ta'lif both recommended it. It was also known in Ayurvedic medicine, described in the Susruta Samhita.

The benefits of bloodletting only began to be seriously questioned in the second half of the 1800s. While many physicians in England at the time had lost faith in the general value of bloodletting, some still considered it beneficial in some circumstances, for instance to "clear out" infected or weakened blood or its ability to "cause hæmorrhages to cease"—as evidenced in a call for a "fair trial for blood-letting as a remedy" in 1871.[12] Bloodletting persisted into the 20th century and was even recommended by Sir William Osler in the 1923 edition of his textbook The Principles and Practice of Medicine.[13]

A number of different methods were employed. The most common was phlebotomy, or venesection (often called "breathing a vein"), in which blood was drawn from one or more of the larger external veins, such as those in the forearm or neck. In arteriotomy, an artery was punctured, although generally only in the temples. In scarification (not to be confused with scarification, a method of body modification), the "superficial" vessels were attacked, often using a syringe, a spring-loaded lancet, or a glass cup that contained heated air, producing a vacuum within (see fire cupping). There was also a specific bloodletting tool called a scarificator, used primarily in 19th century medicine. It has a spring-loaded mechanism with gears that snaps the blades out through slits in the front cover and back in, in a circular motion. The case is cast brass, and the mechanism and blades steel. One knife bar gear has slipped teeth, turning the blades in a different direction than those on the other bars. The last photo and the diagram show the depth adjustment bar at the back and sides.

Leeches could also be used. The withdrawal of so much blood as to induce syncope (fainting) was considered beneficial, and many sessions would only end when the patient began to swoon.

William Harvey disproved the basis of the practice in 1628, and the introduction of scientific medicine, la méthode numérique, allowed Pierre Charles Alexandre Louis to demonstrate that phlebotomy was entirely ineffective in the treatment of pneumonia and various fevers in the 1830s. Nevertheless, in 1840, a lecturer at the Royal College of Physicians would still state that "blood-letting is a remedy which, when judiciously employed, it is hardly possible to estimate too highly", and Louis was dogged by the sanguinary Broussais, who could recommend leeches fifty at a time.

Bloodletting was used to treat almost every disease. One British medical text recommended bloodletting for acne, asthma, cancer, cholera, coma, convulsions, diabetes, epilepsy, gangrene, gout, herpes, indigestion, insanity, jaundice, leprosy, ophthalmia, plague, pneumonia, scurvy, smallpox, stroke, tetanus, tuberculosis, and for some one hundred other diseases. Bloodletting was even used to treat most forms of hemorrhaging such as nosebleed, excessive menstruation, or hemorrhoidal bleeding. Before surgery or at the onset of childbirth, blood was removed to prevent inflammation. Before amputation, it was customary to remove a quantity of blood equal to the amount believed to circulate in the limb that was to be removed.[14]

Leeches became especially popular in the early nineteenth century. In the 1830s, the French imported about forty million leeches a year for medical purposes, and in the next decade, England imported six million leeches a year from France alone. Through the early decades of the century, hundreds of millions of leeches were used by physicians throughout Europe.[15]

In the absence of other treatments, bloodletting actually is beneficial in some circumstances, including hemochromatosis, the fluid overload of heart failure, and possibly simply to reduce blood pressure. In other cases, such as those involving agitation, the reduction in blood pressure might appear beneficial due to the sedative effect. In 1844, Joseph Pancoast listed the advantages of bloodletting in "A Treatise on Operative Surgery". Not all of these reasons are outrageous nowadays:

[Froggy]

If that is to be interpreted in that way then why did Muhammad (Saw) supposedly contradict himself when he told a group of people to drink camel urine and not black cumin seeds, if he seriously believed that it has cure for all diseases?

Several options:
1. The interpretaion may be wrong, as you said.
2. Black seed was not available
3. Muhammad forgot what he said about black seed
Etc ...

[جوري]

I was referring to hadiths from a chapter called MEdicine by Bukhari:

Narrated Khalid bin Sad: We went out and Ghalib bin Abjar was accompanying us. He fell ill on the way and when we arrived at Medina he was still sick. Ibn Abi 'Atiq came to visit him and said to us, "Treat him with black cumin. Take five or seven seeds and crush them (mix the powder with oil) and drop the resulting mixture into both nostrils, for 'Aisha has narrated to me that she heard the Prophet saying, 'This black cumin is healing for all diseases except As-Sam.' Aisha said, 'What is As-Sam?' He said, 'Death."



I do not speak Arabic, does the above hadith say black seeds can cure all diseases or not?

so it isn't 'black seeds' anymore that is a cure for all or 'honey' or hijamah but cumin? I haven't found the hadith in Arabic I am still looking however I doubt 'All' is taken literally given the many cures from various herbs in medicine. I have come across several papers in Arabic discussing the benefits of Cumin from ancient Egypt to pre-Islamic Arabia ... not in the particular part component as mentioned above..

Hadith isn't the Quran and as such folks lack the details in the translation they give to the Quran..

all the best

[جوري]

- حدثنا عبد الله بن أبي شيبة: حدثنا عبيد الله: حدثنا إسرائيل، عن منصور، عن خالد بن سعد قال:
خرجنا ومعنا غالب بن أبجر فمرض في الطريق، فقدمنا المدينة وهو مريض، فعاده ابن أبي عتيق، فقال لنا: عليكم بهذه الحُبيبة السوداء، فخذوا منها خمساً أو سبعاً فاسحقوها، ثم اقطروها في أنفه بقطرات زيت، في هذا الجانب وفي هذا الجانب، فإن عائشة حدثتني: أنها سمعت النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم يقول: ( إن هذه الحبَّة السوداء شفاء من كل داء، إلا من السام ). قلت: وما السام؟ قال: الموت. حديث رقم 5363 صحيح البخاري .


I found the hadith, the word in Arabic 'Kol' كل which you have taken for all denotes:

v. jade, tire


pron. every, either, all, each, any


n. whole


adj. livelong


prep. to

http://translation.babylon.com/Arabic/to-English

so it doesn't mean that if you have Leukemia you should only take black-seed as a cure, rather that there is a benefit in it for every ailment.

Hope that clarifies it?..

all the best

[Froggy]

- حدثنا عبد الله بن أبي شيبة: حدثنا عبيد الله: حدثنا إسرائيل، عن منصور، عن خالد بن سعد قال:
خرجنا ومعنا غالب بن أبجر فمرض في الطريق، فقدمنا المدينة وهو مريض، فعاده ابن أبي عتيق، فقال لنا: عليكم بهذه الحُبيبة السوداء، فخذوا منها خمساً أو سبعاً فاسحقوها، ثم اقطروها في أنفه بقطرات زيت، في هذا الجانب وفي هذا الجانب، فإن عائشة حدثتني: أنها سمعت النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم يقول: ( إن هذه الحبَّة السوداء شفاء من كل داء، إلا من السام ). قلت: وما السام؟ قال: الموت. حديث رقم 5363 صحيح البخاري .


I found the hadith, the word in Arabic 'Kol' كل which you have taken for all denotes:

v. jade, tire


pron. every, either, all, each, any


n. whole


adj. livelong


prep. to

http://translation.babylon.com/Arabic/to-English

so it doesn't mean that if you have Leukemia you should only take black-seed as a cure, rather that there is a benefit in it for every ailment.

Hope that clarifies it?..

all the best

I'm not sure what you were trying to explain here, you came from "all" to "every" which is quite similar to me. The crucial issue here is whether the hadith says "cure" as in remove the disease completely or
"benefit" as in help during the treatment.

There's an alternitive hadith with the same meaning, it is next to the first one
592

Narrated Abu Huraira: I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "There is healing in black cumin for all diseases except death."

[جوري]

Several options:
1. The interpretaion may be wrong, as you said.
2. Black seed was not available
3. Muhammad forgot what he said about black seed
Etc ...

over here you are confused for we have two different hadiths:

one with 7aba sawda, and another with 7aba swada: shwaneez
one is in Bukhari no-5354
and the other in bukhari no-5364 and I don't know of the volumes:

http://www.oocities.com/hossamalihassan/hadethhapa.htm

Don't you think if there was something amiss the early scholars would have caught it? also it appears that they called it black when it was actually green as per explanation the natives of agriculture in said region took green to denote black and vice versa but that is a digression from the topic..

all the best

[Froggy]

I'm asking whether the hadiths about black cummin/seed say it actually cures every disease or brings benefit.

[جوري]

I'm not sure what you were trying to explain here, you came from "all" to "every" which is quite similar to me. The crucial issue here is whether the hadith says "cure" as in remove the disease completely or
"benefit" as in help during the treatment.

There's an alternitive hadith with the same meaning, it is next to the first one
592

Narrated Abu Huraira: I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "There is healing in black cumin for all diseases except death."

????
Exactly what I had written above, to be used as a remedy for every ailment.
daw'a doesn't mean 'cure' it means medication, remedy:

دواء = n. medicine, medicament, medication, drug, remedy

http://translation.babylon.com/Arabic/to-English

[جوري]

I'm asking whether the hadiths about black cummin/seed say it actually cures every disease or brings benefit.

http://www.islamicboard.com/health-s...ml#post1293171

[Froggy]

Ok, so it says remedy, medicine. That can be interpreted as a relief or something, it doesn't have to mean a definite cure.

[جوري]

Ok, so it says remedy, medicine. That can be interpreted as a relief or something, it doesn't have to mean a definite cure.

I have broken down the words and provided you with the dictionary to check for yourself should you desire.. there is no 'definitive cure-all' also there can't be a 'definitive' if there is death in the same hadith right?

all the best

[Froggy]

I have broken down the words and provided you with the dictionary to check for yourself should you desire.. there is no 'definitive cure-all' also there can't be a 'definitive' if there is death in the same hadith right?

all the best

Definite for all ailments except death. That's one way to interpret it which would make it clearly scientifically inaccurate. The other interpretation is that it helps with every disease, which is not scientifically innacurate per se.

[جوري]

Definite for all ailments except death. That's one way to interpret it which would make it clearly scientifically inaccurate. The other interpretation is that it helps with every disease, which is not scientifically innacurate per se.

I am not going to argue against what I have already broken down structurally word per word and in light of entire compendiums of prophetic medicine.. However, I'll argue that you can't say that it is scientifically inaccurate even if if we were to go solely by the first explanation and not the [latter (more accurate)] simply because we have not run clinical trials using only black seed against whatever other drug to see head to head which is most beneficial!

and I wouldn't mind such trials given that they'd have to be cross referenced only against diseases that were prevalent millenniums ago and not for instance such new diseases as 'AIDS' ..

all the best

[Froggy]

I am not going to argue against what I have already broken down structurally word per word and in light of entire compendiums of prophetic medicine.. However, I'll argue that you can't say that it is scientifically inaccurate even if if we were to go solely by the first explanation and not the [latter (more accurate)] simply because we have not run clinical trials using only black seed against whatever other drug to see head to head which is most beneficial!

and I wouldn't mind such trials given that they'd have to be cross referenced only against diseases that were prevalent millenniums ago and not for instance such new diseases as 'AIDS' ..

all the best

Why only those? Its says every disease but death, which must mean every ailment that has and will affect man.
And even if you focus on the time of the prophet, do you honestly think a seed (or any other substance for that matter ...) can cure, for instance, Angelman syndrome?

[جوري]

Why only those? Its says every disease but death, which must mean every ailment that has and will affect man.
And even if you focus on the time of the prophet, do you honestly think a seed (or any other substance for that matter ...) can cure, for instance, Angelman syndrome?

Only those because the Hadith wasn't specific for things to come.. in fact it is a sign of judgment day and mentioned in other ahadith, that the more people sin, the newer and incurable diseases will befall them.

'Abdullâh ibn 'Umar said, "The Prophet (SAW) came to us and said, 'O Muhajirun, (emigrants from Makkah to al-Madînah) you may be afflicted by five things; God forbid that you should live to see them. If fornication should become widespread, you should realise that this has never happened without new diseases befalling the people which their forebears never suffered. If people should begin to cheat in weighing out goods, you should realise that this has never happened without drought and famine befalling the people, and their rulers oppressing them. If people should withhold Zakat, you should realise that this has never happened without the rain being stopped from falling; and were it not for the animals' sake, it would never rain again. If people should break their covenant with Allâh and His Messenger, you should realise that his has never happened without Allâh sending an enemy against them to take some of their possessions by force. If the leaders do not govern according to the Book of Allâh, you should realise that this has never happened without Allâh making them into groups and making them fight one another.' " (Ibn Majah).

Also you need to define for yourself the difference between a disease and a syndrome!

all the best

[Froggy]

Only those because the Hadith wasn't specific for things to come.. in fact it is a sign of judgment day and mentioned in other ahadith, that the more people sin, the newer and incurable diseases will befall them.

'Abdullâh ibn 'Umar said, "The Prophet (SAW) came to us and said, 'O Muhajirun, (emigrants from Makkah to al-Madînah) you may be afflicted by five things; God forbid that you should live to see them. If fornication should become widespread, you should realise that this has never happened without new diseases befalling the people which their forebears never suffered. If people should begin to cheat in weighing out goods, you should realise that this has never happened without drought and famine befalling the people, and their rulers oppressing them. If people should withhold Zakat, you should realise that this has never happened without the rain being stopped from falling; and were it not for the animals' sake, it would never rain again. If people should break their covenant with Allâh and His Messenger, you should realise that his has never happened without Allâh sending an enemy against them to take some of their possessions by force. If the leaders do not govern according to the Book of Allâh, you should realise that this has never happened without Allâh making them into groups and making them fight one another.' " (Ibn Majah).

Also you need to define for yourself the difference between a disease and a syndrome!

all the best

Well, if you want definitions, technically death is not a disease either..
And anway:

syn·drome (s

n

dr

m

)n.1. A group of symptoms that collectively indicate or characterize a disease, psychological disorder, or other abnormal condition.
2. a. A complex of symptoms indicating the existence of an undesirable condition or quality.

dis·ease (d

-z

z

)n.1. A pathological condition of a part, organ, or system of an organism resulting from various causes, such as infection, genetic defect, or environmental stress, and characterized by an identifiable group of signs or symptoms.

Ailment is an ailment.
And people in Mohammed's time certainly didn't know or care about definitions. A child with Angleman syndrome would have been considered ill back then and I'm wondering if you believe black seed/cumin could cure Angelman syndrome.
In one of your previous post you said you believed there is a cure for every disease, even heavy chromosomal deficiencies.

ADD:
A syndrome is a disease and a disease is a syndrome, its intertwined and more about semantics..
Here is a different definition though:

• Disease: a morbid entity characterized usually by at least two of these criteria:
  
  1. Recognized etiologic agent (cause)
  2. Identifiable group of signs and symptoms
  3. Consistent anatomic alterations

The definition of syndrome is pretty straight forward:

• Syndrome: a collection of signs and symptoms known to frequently appear together but without a known cause.

Angelman nowadays can be considered a disease, it was apparently named a syndrome before its etiology was researched.

[Froggy]

edit.............

[جوري]

Well, if you want definitions, technically death is not a disease either..
And anway:

I don't understand what this means?

syn·drome (s

n

dr

m

)n.1. A group of symptoms that collectively indicate or characterize a disease, psychological disorder, or other abnormal condition.
2. a. A complex of symptoms indicating the existence of an undesirable condition or quality.

dis·ease (d

-z

z

)n.1. A pathological condition of a part, organ, or system of an organism resulting from various causes, such as infection, genetic defect, or environmental stress, and characterized by an identifiable group of signs or symptoms.

I am aware of the definitions the question is, are you, you specifically mentioned angelman like pradar willi or cri du chat etc etc. are caused by chromosomal abnormalities.. when it is your genetics, you can't classify it as a disease in the lay man's terms, if we are going by the medical terminologies.. How you find yourself is your baseline..
and we can contrast that with this hadith:

Ibn `Abbâs said to `Atâ b. Rabâh: "Shouldn't I point out to you a woman of Paradise?"

He replied: "Indeed. Do so."

Ibn `Abbâs said: "Do you see that black lady? She approached the Prophet (peace be upon him) and said: 'I suffer from epilepsy and during a fit, my body becomes exposed. So please supplicate Allah on my behalf.'

"Then the Prophet said to her: 'If you choose, you might rather bear it patiently and you will attain Paradise on account of it. Or if you like, I will beseech Allah to cure you.'

"She said: 'I will bear it patiently. But my body gets exposed, so please beseech Allah that my body will no longer be exposed.'

"The Prophet (peace be upon him) beseeched Allah for this." [Sahîh al-Bukhârî (5652) and Sahîh Muslim (2576)]
http://en.islamtoday.net/artshow-427-3255.htm

certainly if black seed could have been used as you suggest 'a cure-all' he'd have prescribed her that for her condition right there and then?

It is important before you gauge in any topic that you are familiar with all aspects of it!

Ailment is an ailment.
And people in Mohammed's time certainly didn't know or care about definitions. A child with Angleman syndrome would have been considered ill back then and I'm wondering if you believe black seed/cumin could cure Angelman syndrome.

See above! you don't know what the people back then cared for or didn't

In one of your previous post you said you believed there is a cure for every disease, even heavy chromosomal deficiencies.

I do indeed.. surely you've heard of vectors and liposomes, enzyme replacement therapy?

http://wiki.medpedia.com/Gaucher's_Disease

all the best

[CosmicPathos]

Several options:
1. The interpretaion may be wrong, as you said.
2. Black seed was not available
3. Muhammad forgot what he said about black seed
Etc ...

Of course options abound in the minds of the doubters and disbelievers. Lets look at the proposed options and evaluate their probability in a realistic manner.

2- Whether black seed was available or not, I am assuming you mean available to the Prophet? If that is the case, then Prophet never gave these things to people much like how a pharmacist would. Its surprising that black cumin would not be available in Makkah/Medina! Specially when Prophet previously has said that it has cure for "all diseases," I would suspect EVERY medinan to have it in his house ..... and in the markets. Your assumption that it was not available is a mere conjecture of a sick and deluded mind.

3- Muhammad did not forget about the Quranic verses which were revealed over 23 years, he forgot what prescribed about black cumin seeds? He had a sharper brain than you do.

[Froggy]

I don't understand what this means?


I am aware of the definitions the question is, are you, you specifically mentioned angelman like pradar willi or cri du chat etc etc. are caused by chromosomal abnormalities.. when it is your genetics, you can't classify it as a disease in the lay man's terms, if we are going by the medical terminologies.. How you find yourself is your baseline..
and we can contrast that with this hadith:

Ibn `Abbâs said to `Atâ b. Rabâh: "Shouldn't I point out to you a woman of Paradise?"

He replied: "Indeed. Do so."

Ibn `Abbâs said: "Do you see that black lady? She approached the Prophet (peace be upon him) and said: 'I suffer from epilepsy and during a fit, my body becomes exposed. So please supplicate Allah on my behalf.'

"Then the Prophet said to her: 'If you choose, you might rather bear it patiently and you will attain Paradise on account of it. Or if you like, I will beseech Allah to cure you.'

"She said: 'I will bear it patiently. But my body gets exposed, so please beseech Allah that my body will no longer be exposed.'

"The Prophet (peace be upon him) beseeched Allah for this." [Sahîh al-Bukhârî (5652) and Sahîh Muslim (2576)]
http://en.islamtoday.net/artshow-427-3255.htm

certainly if black seed could have been used as you suggest 'a cure-all' he'd have prescribed her that for her condition right there and then?

It is important before you gauge in any topic that you are familiar with all aspects of it!


See above! you don't know what the people back then cared for or didn't


I do indeed.. surely you've heard of vectors and liposomes, enzyme replacement therapy?

http://wiki.medpedia.com/Gaucher's_Disease

all the best

3. It says "cures all disease but death, which suggest death is a disease (at least the English translation suggests that)
2. I guess we can conclude the hadith doesnt say black seed/cumin is a cure for all.
3. I haven't but it doesn't seem really plausible in all conditions. But you can never say never in science.

[Froggy]

Of course options abound in the minds of the doubters and disbelievers. Lets look at the proposed options and evaluate their probability in a realistic manner.

2- Whether black seed was available or not, I am assuming you mean available to the Prophet? If that is the case, then Prophet never gave these things to people much like how a pharmacist would. Its surprising that black cumin would not be available in Makkah/Medina! Specially when Prophet previously has said that it has cure for "all diseases," I would suspect EVERY medinan to have it in his house ..... and in the markets. Your assumption that it was not available is a mere conjecture of a sick and deluded mind.

3- Muhammad did not forget about the Quranic verses which were revealed over 23 years, he forgot what prescribed about black cumin seeds? He had a sharper brain than you do.

Remembering verses which one has constantly recited for 23 years is different than forgetting a single fact, and its possible for instance the camel urine hadith was recorded when Muhammad was older, I don't know. And I replied to this in my answer to Skye.

[جوري]

3. It says "cures all disease but death, which suggest death is a disease (at least the English translation suggests that)

I have taken care of the translation word for word, plus given ahadith of conditions of the time which weren't prescript black seed.. did you read at all anything that was written-- just so I know whether or not to waste my time as I hate to repeat myself!

2. I guess we can conclude the hadith doesnt say black seed/cumin is a cure for all.

You can also conclude that cumin and black seed are different ahadith given different ahadith numbers as per previous page, and again I have gone extensively over it and shown that cumin isn't even black!

3. I haven't but it doesn't seem really plausible in all conditions. But you can never say never in science.

Indeed.. great strides are made and I have no reason not to believe that at some point many genetic diseases will become extinct once the proper loci is identified and the correct vectors introduced in vivo.. if to every ailment is a cure and as per Quran, the day of judgment will not occur until folks feel that they have a grip on everything, and man's ego and at the same time endeavor for knowledge exists strides can and will be made!

How you personally feel about the matter is irrelevant since most assuredly you'll be dead before said events take place, I doubt very much you can comment on things yet to come and to be discovered or invented!

all the best

[جوري]

Remembering verses which one has constantly recited for 23 years is different than forgetting a single fact, and its possible for instance the camel urine hadith was recorded when Muhammad was older, I don't know. And I replied to this in my answer to Skye.

verses weren't constantly recited over 23 yrs.. if you took the trouble at all, you'd know that they were constantly revealed.. some ten, fifteen years apart and in different places belonging to different suras.. I don't think you quite understand the magnitude of that, and simply we aren't speaking of verses here, rather ahadith, a completely different style text in every day language..

your reply to him or me isn't well thought out I am afraid..

it is best to reflect on what you are trying to say or write before you write it, not just out of the love of making a point albeit an absurd one!

all the best

[Froggy]

verses weren't constantly recited over 23 yrs.. if you took the trouble at all, you'd know that they were constantly revealed.. some ten, fifteen years apart and in different places belonging to different suras.. I don't think you quite understand the magnitude of that, and simply we aren't speaking of verses here, rather ahadith, a completely different style text in every day language..

your reply to him or me isn't well thought out I am afraid..

it is best to reflect on what you are trying to say or write before you write it, not just out of the love of making a point albeit an absurd one!

all the best

I have a rough understandning of the islamic revelation and I am well aware of the difference between it and the sunnah. And if youd read my post correctly youd see that.

[جوري]

I have a rough understandning of the islamic revelation and I am well aware of the difference between it and the sunnah. And if youd read my post correctly youd see that.

I didn't rely on circumstantial evidence rather what you yourself have written her:

Remembering verses which one has constantly recited for 23 years is different than forgetting a single fact

all the best

[Froggy]

Is there any credible research to shed light on the positive healing effects of cupping?

[جوري]

Is there any credible research to shed light on the positive healing effects of cupping?

I don't know, I haven't come across any..

blood letting or medical phlebotomy is mainstay treatments for conditions I afore mentioned however.
You are welcome to start a double blind trial and publish in the esteemed journal of your choice however.. I doubt very much that holistic medicine be it acupuncture or blood letting goes head to head to current medical treatment.. it is simply a different avenue and certainly not a substitute from receiving current medical care.

Nothing in science for instance forbids me from taking a table spoon of honey a day along with an inhaled ergot so I am not sure where you are headed with all of this?

all the best

[shuaib]

I don't know, I haven't come across any..

blood letting or medical phlebotomy is mainstay treatments for conditions I afore mentioned however.
You are welcome to start a double blind trial and publish in the esteemed journal of your choice however.. I doubt very much that holistic medicine be it acupuncture or blood letting goes head to head to current medical treatment.. it is simply a different avenue and certainly not a substitute from receiving current medical care.

Nothing in science for instance forbids me from taking a table spoon of honey a day along with an inhaled ergot so I am not sure where you are headed with all of this?

all the best

Hi all

Just came across this discussion about doing an effective study on the possible benefits of wet-cupping.

There was a similar discussion on another forum about how to go about designing one at Qatar Living Forums (but I think there are some inherent difficulties):

http://www.qatarliving.com/node/878458

However it would be good if someone can come up with some good suggestions, I would be happy to take part in any such study and also help provide volunteers to take part.

Shuaib
Ahealth

[glo]

It's interesting that Hijama is an originally Chinese practice.
The principle of Qi (see below) sounds very much like Chinese medicine to me. Does it align with Islamic teachings? (I assume it must do, if Muhammad practiced and permitted it himself)

Qi

Qi is the invisible life force – like air and wind. The West tries to define Qi as ‘the energy of life’, ‘vital force’, ‘life force’, ‘energy’, but there is no Western equivalent. When we are ill we feel weak and have a low energy level but when we feel better we feel more energetic and much stronger. So we all experience the existence of Qi continuously.
Movement of any kind requires Qi and often this is manifested as heat. Lack of energy is signified by cold.

Another question:

I donate blood regularly - approximately 500 ml every three months.
I wonder if donating blood would have similar health benefits to the donor as Hijama ... as well as benefiting the recipient? Does anybody know?

[Ramadhan]

It's interesting that Hijama is an originally Chinese practice.
The principle of Qi (see below) sounds very much like Chinese medicine to me. Does it align with Islamic teachings? (I assume it must do, if Muhammad practiced and permitted it himself)

Yes, prophet Muhammad Peace Be Upon Him practiced Hijama and it is sunnah, but he never mentioned anything about this "Qi" thing.
The mentions of Qi in the article is very ambiguous and not clear what it actually is, so i don't give much weight into it.

I donate blood regularly - approximately 500 ml every three months.
I wonder if donating blood would have similar health benefits to the donor as Hijama ... as well as benefiting the recipient? Does anybody know?

I also donate blood regularly, similar to your routine.
i don't think donating blood have similar benefits to Hijama. Although they may share some benefits.
first, blood for donation is taken straight from veins, which is the normal blood circulating in our body, while hijama sucked out only "bad blood" from skin capilaries between arteries.
Also, hijama is done on certain parts of the body (mostly back and other areas where problems occur).

[glo]

^
That's interesting. Thank you, naidamar. :)

[Ummu Sufyaan]

:sl:
i understand the benefit of hijama, but do you need to go to someone professional to do it for you? is it possible to practice and implement it on yourself? is it hard to learn? how can one learn to do hijama?
i havnt read the whole thread, so i hope these questions havent been answered already.

[Ramadhan]

It is actually not that hard to learn hijama, but it is very very advisable to go to professional because:
1. You need to lie down in most cases, in which case you cannot administer the hijama yourself (the area where hijama is done are usually back neck, back, back legs).
2. Professionals use sterile equipments and disposable needles/knife (for wet cupping).
3. They would know which area of your body that needs hijama, based on your specific complaints.

[Snowflake]

Is there any credible research to shed light on the positive healing effects of cupping?

Yes, Dr. Sahbaa M. Bondok's book Cupping - The Great Missing Therapy, which was the first thesis about the effects of cupping therapy on the immune systems submitted for her M.SC. degree (Dept. of Microbiology Al -Azhar University).

[جوري]

to comment on the 'benefits for the recipient' to those receiving blood .. apart from life saving in immediately threatening life situations, receiving blood especially on frequent basis such as with those suffering major blood loss, certain types of cancers, sickle cells and [thalassemia(which I personally suffer from but not in a major form al7mdlillah)] has some serious and major sequelae which range from iron overload (which can lead to heart and multi-organ failure) to Alloantibodies --pre-transfusion screening is done to see if there are antibodies against red blood cells, commonly implicated antigens are anti K, ant L, and anti E, and some patients develop multiple alloantibodies making a transfusion nearly impossible. It isn't always beneficial to receive someone else' blood but it is a risk vs. benefit ratio..

[Hulk]

I had no idea hijama was part of the Sunnah.. In fact I didn't even know it was called Hijama.. I've experienced it before but honestly I wasn't sure if I got better because of the treatment or because I was naturally "healing". Would I be right to say that in such treatments it is possible that there are people out there who aren't exactly qualified to be carrying out yet do it?

[Snowflake]

Would I be right to say that in such treatments it is possible that there are people out there who aren't exactly qualified to be carrying out yet do it?

They may well be such people. If they are doing that they are seriously risking their own and their patients health and even life. Always ask to see a practitioners credentials before agreeing to any treatment. Or even better go to someone who's been recommended by someone you know personally.

[Hulk]

I have been watching videos of it lately and the thick blood that comes out looks so cool. I remember one time a few years ago when I was probably 18-19 years old I was having a short break to eat after cycling and I got a nose bleed lol and I stuck a tissue up my nose and when I pulled it out there was this thick blood that followed the tissue and man it felt soooo good. It's probably not the same but I imagine it feels pretty good.

[Scimitar]

I have my very own, very expensive cupping set... i've never used it though (coz I can't stand the sight of blood).

If anyone is living in London and knows how to do hijama, you're more than welcome to come to my house and practice on me :)

I'll see if I can take a pic of the set.

Also, if anyone is seriously interested in hijama - there is www.hijamaclinic.net :) based in Luton I think.

Scimi

[Muhammad]

:sl:

Anther other article on this: https://www.islam21c.com/islamic-tho...pping-therapy/

[Hulk]

I have experienced the non bleeding one a few years ago on my back. At the time I had no idea what was being done to me all I knew was that there was some heat/fire and a bunch of cups on my back hahahha. The wet version seems more hardcore. My mum actually has a cupping set lol but the box shows a chinese cartoon so I thought it was a traditional chinese treatment, that's why I was surprised when I found out that it has arab origins.

Thanks for sharing guys! I might try poking myself and then borrowing my mum's cupping set to try out lol. Just kidding. I'll look for a tutorial first.

PS: It's the trigger pump kind haha

edit: So I managed to find this link on Where To Place Your Cups.. haha.

http://www.healthmeanswealth.co.uk/Where_To_Cup.php

[Tibenabvi]

asalam alaikum wr wb,

Bismillahir Rahmanir Rahim

Rasullah Saw said, “Whoever revives an aspect of my Sunnah that is forgotten after my death, he will have a reward equivalent to that of the people who follow him, without it detracting in the least from their reward."


:w:

I have been practicing hijama for a long time and every single time the patient feels better and after a few sessions cured by the will of Allah. It's always helpful to remember that Allah who created us tells us how to heal ourselves be it through hijama or prophetic medicine.
For those who haven't found it helpful it's important that you chose a qualified therapist who will carry out the procedure properly and advise how many sessions needed, also what herbs to take to improve the condition the patient is suffering.
In regards to diabetes 4-5 sessions of hijama cures it along side fenugreek, black seed oil, apple cider vinegar and other herbs like parsley juice okra water for the course of one month.
May Allah accept from us our efforts and ease the pain of those suffering.
Jazak Allahu khayr