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Samiun
03-04-2010, 08:24 AM
:sl: Brothers and Sisters,

After reading these verses I came to a conclusion that Ya'juj and Ma'juj has already been released for more than a decade. If you have a different opinion on this matter kindly leave a constructive comment

And a ban is laid on every town (population) which We have destroyed that they shall not return (to this world again, nor repent to Us).

Until, when Ya'juj and Ma'juj (Gog and Magog) are let loose (from their barrier), and they swoop down from every mound.
Surah Al-Anbiya #95-96
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Ummu Sufyaan
03-04-2010, 08:27 AM
please people, if you have no solid evidence over these matters, avoid comment on them.

:peace:
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Dagless
03-04-2010, 08:34 AM
Originally Posted by Nabiel
I came to a conclusion that Ya'juj and Ma'juj has already been released for more than a decade.
What makes you think this? List your evidence.
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Cabdullahi
03-04-2010, 08:48 AM
yajuj and majuj are the zionist jews who are europeans that later converted to judaism to run riots in the world...they will drink up the sea of galilee and they're drinking it right this minute

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/nov/12/sea-of-galilee-drying-up/
''The biblical body of water is 16.2 feet below its lower "red line," which marks the point at which it is ecologically inadvisable to draw water, according to the Israeli Water Authority.

Yet Israel continues to draw water from Galilee, to drink and to irrigate crops,''

Sahih bukhari
''He said: Inform me about the lake of Tabariyya? We said: Which aspect of it do you want to know? He said: Is there water in it? They said: There is abundance of water in it. Thereupon he said: I think it would soon become dry.''

Nawwas-b-Samaan/Muslim
Ya'juj and Ma'juj will come forth from every lofty place causing destruction and bloodshed wherever they go. Their first batch will come to lake Tiberias and drink all of its water. Their last batch will come to it and say, "There was once water in this lake."
Marching on, carrying out pillage and murder to their left and right they will come to mount of Khamr (a mountain in Jerusalem)
and say, "We have killed the inhbitant of the Earth, let us now kill the inhabitants of heaven."



If you are waiting for some creatures with abnormalities like you see in the horror movies keep waiting guys :)
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Samiun
03-04-2010, 08:53 AM
Originally Posted by Dagless
What makes you think this? List your evidence.
:sl: Can't you see that verse that I had just stated?

You do know that they are released in Waves right?


And a ban is laid on every town (population) which We have destroyed that they shall not return (to this world again, nor repent to Us).

It's clear isn't it? The ban that was placed on the town is none other than Jerusalem. Who was exiled for a thousand years? The jews...

On a side note, I don't delve in to the topic of the Jews much which could mean I may be wrong about them(Correct me if I'm Wrong)
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~Taalibah~
03-04-2010, 09:07 AM
It is said in many Deeni books (authentic ones) that Ya'juj and Ma'juj will be released (break through the wall and occupy the earth) during the rule of Hazrat Isa Alayhis salaam.

Further, Tafseer of the Holy Qur'aan is not for just anyone to make, and many requirements are to be met before anyone can attempt to make their own explanation.

I will refer to the books InshaAllah and post proofs, InshaAllah.
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Cabdullahi
03-04-2010, 09:11 AM
Originally Posted by ~Taalibah~
It is said in many Deeni books (authentic ones) that Ya'juj and Ma'juj will be released (break through the wall and occupy the earth) during the rule of Hazrat Isa Alayhis salaam.

Further, Tafseer of the Holy Qur'aan is not for just anyone to make, and many requirements are to be met before anyone can attempt to make their own explanation.

I will refer to the books InshaAllah and post proofs, InshaAllah.
it doesnt specifically say they will be released at the time when nabi isa (as) will come...

if the israeli jews are drinking the sea of galilee now like no business...it will disappear when isa (as) comes
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Asiyah3
03-04-2010, 09:53 AM
The verse 95 might not refer to yajuj and majuj. See:

94. So whoever does righteous good deeds while he is a believer (in the Oneness of Allâh Islâmic Monotheism), his efforts will not be rejected. Verily! We record it in his Book of deeds.[]

95. And a ban is laid on every town (population) which We have destroyed that they shall not return (to this world again, nor repent to Us).
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96. Until, when Ya'jûj and Ma'jûj (Gog and Magog)[] are let loose (from their barrier), and they swiftly swarm from every mound.

97. And the true promise (Day of Resurrection) shall draw near (of fulfillment). Then (when mankind is resurrected from their graves), you shall see the eyes of the disbelievers fixedly stare in horror. (They will say): "Woe to us! We were indeed heedless of this; nay, but we were Zâlimûn (polytheists and wrong-doers, etc.)."

p.s. Please note I'm not a scholar.
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Sampharo
03-04-2010, 02:09 PM
Originally Posted by Nabiel
:sl: Can't you see that verse that I had just stated?

You do know that they are released in Waves right?


And a ban is laid on every town (population) which We have destroyed that they shall not return (to this world again, nor repent to Us).

It's clear isn't it? The ban that was placed on the town is none other than Jerusalem. Who was exiled for a thousand years? The jews...
One of the gravest of matters of our Ummah today is that laypeople are neglecting the sanctity of Allah's knowledge that was revealed to the prophet and passed on to studying scholars of the companions and then on to sheikhs and scholars. Interpretation of the Holy Quran is not a matter of personal opinions, there are principals and facts taught by the prophet and meanings expressed directly by him and others that are connected through hadith to the meanings of the verses. We cannot ignore such matters and without even looking in a SINGLE tafsir book, try to come up with thoughts.

"Al-Qurtubi said: When you say that Allah swt means this or Allah swt means that in a specific verse, you are actually speaking or saying something on behalf of Allah swt, you are actually speaking about Allah swt, and if you are speaking without knowledge, without ‘ilm, this is one of the greatest sins that you could commit.

In fact, Ibn ul Qayyim said that it is the greatest sin. Ibn ul Qayyim said that speaking about Allah swt without `ilm is the greatest sin that you could commit. He bases it on this verse:


Say: The things that my Lord has indeed forbidden are al-Fawahishah (great evil sins, every kind of unlawful sexual intercourse, etc.), whether committed openly or secretly, sins (of all kinds), unrighteous oppession, joining partners (in worship) with Allah for which He has given no authority and saying things about Allah of which you have no knowledge.” [The Noble Qur'an, 7:33]"


Further you are doing that out of the translation, not even the Quran itself.

This verse says that a ban (by Allah) has been laid on all populations that they cannot be revived or given other chances after they have been destroyed. وَحَرَامٌ عَلَى قَرْيَةٍ أَهْلَكْنَاهَا أَنَّهُمْ لَا يَرْجِعُونَ

It is about people who die, cannot ask for a second chance saying "we will do good this time" and then granted a resurrection. If one is dead, he is dead, and will be revived only on judgement day.

Originally Posted by Abdullahi
yajuj and majuj are the zionist jews who are europeans that later converted to judaism to run riots in the world...they will drink up the sea of galilee and they're drinking it right this minute
Ya'juj and ma'juj, were confirmed in quran and hadith to be:

1- They have been sealed from the surface of the Earth life since the time of Thul Qarnain.
"And thus (the rampart) was built, and they were unable to scale it, and neither were they able to pierce it. Said (thu ul-Qarnain): "This is a mercy from my Sustainer! Yet when the time appointed by my Sustainer shall come, He will make this (rampart) level with the ground: and my Sustainer's promise always comes true!" [18:97, 98]
2- Are physically held behind that barrier and are unable to get through, everyday they try, it gets fixed. The day they succeed is the day one of them says "Insha Allah".
Abu Hurayrah reported that the Prophet (S) said, "Every day, Gog and Magog are trying to dig a way out through the barrier. When they begin to see sunlight through it, the one who is in charge of them says, 'Go back; you can carry on digging tomorrow,' and when they come back, the barrier is stronger than it was before. This will continue until their time comes and Allah wishes to send them forth. They will dig until they begin to see sunlight, then the one who is in charge of them will say, 'Go back; you can carry on digging tomorrow, in shaa'Allah.' In this case he will make an exception by saying in shaa'Allah, thus relating the matter to the Will of Allah. They will return on the following day, and find the hole as they left it. They will carry on digging and come out against the people...." [Ibn Maajah, Kitaab al-Fitan, (Hadith 4080), 2/1364. Ahmad, Musnad, 2/510, 511]
3- barbaric ignorant creatures who will drink and eat everything and think that there are mortals living in the sky.
".......They will drink all the water, and find the hole as they left it, and the people will entrench themselves in their fortresses. Gog and Magog will fire their arrows into the sky, and they will fall back to earth with something like blood on them. Gog and Magog will say, 'We have defeated the people of earth, and overcome the people of heaven.'" [Ibn Maajah, Kitaab al-Fitan, (Hadith 4080), 2/1364. Ahmad, Musnad, 2/510, 511]
4- Will only come AFTER Hermageddon, Anti-Christ, Jesus, and the death of all remaining jews who supported the Anti-Christ.
"Ibn Mas'ood reported that the Prophet (S) said, "On the night of the Israa' (night journey), I met my father Abraham, Moses and Jesus, and they discussed the Hour. The matter was referred first to Abraham, then to Moses, and both said, 'I have no knowledge of it'. Then it was referred to Jesus, who said, 'No one knows about its timing except Allah; what my Lord told me was that the Dajjaal will appear, and when he sees me he will begin to melt like lead. Allah will destroy him when he sees me. The Muslims will fight against the Kaafirs, and even the trees and rocks will say, "O Muslim, there is a Kaafir hiding beneath me - come and kill him!" Allah will destroy the Kaafirs, and the people will return to their lands. Then Gog and Magog will appear from all directions, eating and drinking everything they found. The people will complain to me, so I will pray to Allah and He will destroy them, so that the earth will be filled with their stench. Allah will send rain which will wash their bodies into the sea. My Lord has told me that when that happens, the hour will be very close, like a pregnant woman whose time is due, but her family does not know the moment of delivery." [Ahmad, Musnad, 1/375. Similar Hadith in Ibn Maajah, Kitaab al-Fitan (hadith 4081), 2/1365, 1366]
5- Other hadiths mention they outnumber humans 999 to 1:
Abu Saeed Khudri (R.A.) narrates that Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said:
  1. "On the day of Qiyamah Allah will say to Adam (A.S.) to pick out the people of Hellfire from his entire progeny. Adam (A.S.) will ask: 'O Rabb, who are they?'
    Allah will say: 'Nine hundred and ninety nine of a thousand are for Hellfire while one is to paradise.'
    On hearing this the Sahaba were overtaken by fear and they asked "O Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam), who will that one to go to paradise?'
    Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said: 'Do not grieve, the nine hundred and ninety nine will be Ya'jooj and Ma'jooj while you will be to paradise."' (i.e. your numbers in relation to them will be one in a thousand).

(Bukhari and Muslim)

Based on another long detailed hadith in Sahih Muslim and Musnad Ahmed, Jesus will be told that these are creatures that muslims have no power over, and that they must seek refuge. Jesus will lead the believers to a mountain in Palestine where they will take refuge and wait until Allah sends Gog and Magog sickness in their necks and kills them all. A long rain will follow to wash away their stench, and an era of calm and peace of Jesus rule will follow for a few years, until he dies and that is followed by the final major signs of judgement day.
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Beardo
03-04-2010, 02:11 PM
Just out of curiosity... If they were released, wouldn't we know about it by now? :X I mean, it's not like they're ants or anything... quite the contrary...
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Zico
03-04-2010, 02:22 PM
No just no!!!!!!
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~Taalibah~
03-04-2010, 02:27 PM
Well said brother Sampharo. Whatever i had intention of saying, is in his post and more.
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Samiun
03-04-2010, 02:56 PM
:sl: Brother Sampharo,

That is why I'm asking as I have doubts about this topic, the intention of this topic was to find out whether my Conclusion was correct. I never told any of you to believe, I came to my own conclusion and thus I was thrown into a state of confusion. However, I think we're living in a Gog and Magog world order?(The state of Israel has been restored)
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Sampharo
03-04-2010, 04:02 PM
Originally Posted by Nabiel
:sl: Brother Sampharo,

That is why I'm asking as I have doubts about this topic, the intention of this topic was to find out whether my Conclusion was correct. I never told any of you to believe, I came to my own conclusion and thus I was thrown into a state of confusion.
Brother Nabiel, there is nothing wrong in making conclusions or ijtihad, but it needs to be based on knowledge, and knowledge has to be sought first before making analysis.

Had you come here and just purely asked whether we are in a state of Gog and Magog or whether the jews could be them, and you will be informed to the best of knowledge of whomever was answering. But what you did was make conclusions out of Quran on your own. YOU MUSTN'T, whether or not you ask others to believe, you must not make your own conclusions about Quran, when you haven't put in the effort to learn what our prophet and the companions have transmitted about the subject in the first place, without learning the principals of tafsir, without even checking multiple sources to learn if the English translation you read was understood by you correctly or not.

However, I think we're living in a Gog and Magog world order?(The state of Israel has been restored)
You have already been informed of the hadiths relating to Gog and Magog being a hoard of barbaric creatures trapped behind a physical barrier and will come after the return of Jesus christ. There is nothing metaphoric about it. If you're suggesting that by "Gog and Magog World order" that we are just getting close to the time of their release, then yes that are indeed the thoughts of most scholars. But if you are suggesting that Gog and Magog are some form of government and that their reference should be taken as metaphoric, then it is again uninformed and leads to denial of authenticated hadiths. Thinking of something without knowledge is normal, asking about it and searching for it is good and obligated. However, refusing transmitted knowledge and rejecting authenticated hadith from the prophet while insisting on own opinions, that is a branch of kufr.
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M..x
03-04-2010, 09:54 PM
The title of the thread frightened me. Thank you for posting the hadeeth's etc Bro Sampharo.
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Ramadhan
03-05-2010, 09:26 AM
Originally Posted by Nabiel
However, I think we're living in a Gog and Magog world order?(The state of Israel has been restored)
I disagree. What is for (almost) certain is we're living in a Dajjal world order.

Just look everywhere around the world. What is considered "happiness" (heaven) for most people is actually hell according to Islam. Most people these days are in pursuit of worldly heaven/enjoyment in neglect of the hereafter and in neglect of the syariah.
some evidence:
The whole world financial/banking/economic system is riba-based,
"equality" of everything between women and men against the fitrah set out in the Qur'an,
most society have been highly-sexualized,
What is haraam is considered halal by many, and vice versa.
etc
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waqas maqsood
03-07-2010, 12:04 AM
Salam Alikum to all,

Is Ya'juj and Ma'juj some type of creatures or a system based by kaa'fir to destroy Islam?
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Chuck
03-07-2010, 07:13 AM
Originally Posted by waqas maqsood
Salam Alikum to all,

Is Ya'juj and Ma'juj some type of creatures or a system based by kaa'fir to destroy Islam?
Exact nature of their type is not specifically in Quran, but probably they are humans or a branch off shoot from humans. But this part is not clear.

What we know is few things through Quran:
1. they are in isolated location and there population is growing there.

2. when they are broke lose, they will come as swarms. Swarms are found in nature, and following two videos will give you some idea about swarms.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcArE...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70SRH...eature=related

3. Swarms are devastating even by smaller creatures like grasshoppers and birds; but swarms of a bigger creature like them, everything will be devastated in their path and this is to which Quran paints the picture of. And people in denial will see their fault in their devastation.

Complete verse in the Quran is as follows:
(95) Hence, it has been unfailingly true of any community whom We have ever destroyed that they [were people who] would never turn back [from their sinful ways]
(96) until such a time as Gog and Magog are let loose [upon the world] and swarm down from every corner [of the earth],
(97) the while the true promise [of resurrection] draws close [to its fulfillment]. But then, lo! the eyes of those who [in their lifetime] were bent on denying the truth will stare in horror, [and they will exclaim:] “Oh, woe unto us! We were indeed heedless of this [promise of resur rection]! - nay, we were [bent on] doing evil!”
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Chuck
03-07-2010, 07:52 AM
Another locust swarm video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6opjbuMd5k&feature=fvw
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thetruth2009
03-07-2010, 11:43 AM
Assalam aleykoum brothers and sisters.


In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

94. They said: "O Zul-qarnain! the Gog and Magog (People) do great mischief on earth: shall we then render thee tribute in order that thou mightest erect a barrier between us and them?

95. He said: "(The power) in which my Lord has established me is better (than tribute): Help me therefore with strength (and labour): I will erect a strong barrier between you and them:

96. "Bring me blocks of iron." At length, when he had filled up the space between the two steep mountain-sides, He said, "Blow (with your bellows)" Then, when he had made it (red) as fire, he said: "Bring me, that I may pour over it, molten lead."

97. Thus were they made powerless to scale it or to dig through it.

98. He said: "This is a mercy from my Lord: But when the promise of my Lord comes to pass, He will make it into dust; and the promise of my Lord is true."

99. On that day We shall leave them to surge like waves on one another: the trumpet will be blown, and We shall collect them all together.


If YA'JUJ and Ma'JUJ are already here, then its the end of the World no ?

How can you say that, do you know that they are monster and they will destroy everything.

Maybe your Ya'juj and Ma'JUJ are Illuminati ????


Assalam aleykoum sisters and brothers.
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thetruth2009
03-07-2010, 11:44 AM
Assalam aleykoum sisters and brothers,


I forget to put the Sourate Number its the Sourate 18 .


Assalam aleykoum, I ask Allah SWT to guide us and to forgive us, Amine.
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Al-Yasa
03-07-2010, 12:12 PM
why are yajuj and majuj jews?

sometimes i do think alot of fellow muslims are anti semite
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thetruth2009
03-07-2010, 12:49 PM
Originally Posted by Al-Yasa
why are yajuj and majuj jews?

sometimes i do think alot of fellow muslims are anti semite


Assalam aleykoum sisters and brothers, peace be upon you brother.


Ya'juj and Ma'juj are not Jews, they are only a creation of God.

Islam is not antisemite but the wrong interpretation of the Quran and the false Hadiths can push you to think so.



PS : the truth is not esay to reach that ask a lot of sacrifice and to use your brain, the truth is behind the veil in front of your eyes.
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waqas maqsood
03-07-2010, 11:15 PM
Originally Posted by Chuck
Exact nature of their type is not specifically in Quran, but probably they are humans or a branch off shoot from humans. But this part is not clear.

What we know is few things through Quran:
1. they are in isolated location and there population is growing there.

2. when they are broke lose, they will come as swarms. Swarms are found in nature, and following two videos will give you some idea about swarms.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcArE...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70SRH...eature=related

3. Swarms are devastating even by smaller creatures like grasshoppers and birds; but swarms of a bigger creature like them, everything will be devastated in their path and this is to which Quran paints the picture of. And people in denial will see their fault in their devastation.

Complete verse in the Quran is as follows:
Jazak'Allah for the valuable information.

So from my understanding Ya'juj and Ma'juj are not 2 identical creatures... but a small population that is growing by the day...
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Chuck
03-08-2010, 06:26 AM
Originally Posted by waqas maqsood
Jazak'Allah for the valuable information.

So from my understanding Ya'juj and Ma'juj are not 2 identical creatures... but a small population that is growing by the day...
No i meant Ya'juj and Ma'juj are same species, probably. Possibly it was a name of a tribe. But it could be a species from great apes or something similar. In the Bible, they are descents of tribes from prophet Noah (pbuh), but Quran never goes into details about their exact nature, so we can only speculate. Quran just says that they will come out in swarms in end times, devastate everything in their path, and deniers of the resurrection will be in shock. In hadith, they are definitely humans or branch of species from humans, hence subjected to punishment on the day of judgement.
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Talkativtaco's
07-13-2013, 07:29 PM
Oufcourse not!:p If they were then Isa A.S would be here!
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