Islamic Gold Age VS The Secular World

It was during the period of high Muslim apogee: 8th-13th centuries that most decisive scientific inventions were made, and the foundations of modern civilisation were laid, scientists and scientific discoveries in their thousands, artistic creativity, great architecture, huge libraries, hospitals, universities, mapping of the world, the discovery of the sky and its secrets, and much more.

"It will suffice here to evoke a few glorious names without contemporary equivalents in the West: Jabir ibn Haiyan, al-Kindi, al-Khwarizmi, al-Fargani, al-Razi, Thabit ibn Qurra, al-Battani, Hunain ibn Ishaq, al-Farabi, Ibrahim ibn Sinan, al-Masudi, al-Tabari, Abul Wafa, 'Ali ibn Abbas, Abul Qasim, Ibn al-Jazzar, al-Biruni, Ibn Sina, Ibn Yunus, al-Kashi, Ibn al-Haitham, 'Ali Ibn 'Isa al-Ghazali, al-zarqab, Omar Khayyam. A magnificent array of names which it would not be difficult to extend. If anyone tells you that the Middle Ages were scientifically sterile, just quote these men to him, all of whom flourished within a short period, 750 to 1100 A.D."


I would love to know how these great scholars obtained their knowledge. Is it possible today? I think not. Where would we get to learn all subjects from an Islamic perspective? Dont you think we should make a change to this? If we want to see change, we should be the change.

When would Islam return? I read in Ibn Kathir's book. I forgot the hadith but it says something like Islam would return as a stranger.

Salaam,

It doesn't matter whether a Muslim or non-Muslim discovered new things. All regions go through a process of discovering new stuff. :/

There is no secular world. I would say it is the most influential at the moment.

It seems most influential to you? you are living in deception. Wake up akhi. and you prefer this secular world rather than a khilafah? Im surprised.

watch this lecture

^ Ah where did I say I prefer the secular world over the caliphate? I said it seems to be the most influential. It does not mean I support it.

Who are you to say who is living in deception? Do you have vast knowledge to determine who is living in deception and those who are illuminated? How humble of you.

You said there is no secular world. A world without sharia is a secular world.

All religions go through discoveries yes but the Muslims were the pioneers.

Anyway, I dont want to fight or argue, please watch the lecture if you can.

Dr Bilal Philips on Islamization of Education

Iluv♥Allah;1513238 said:

You said there is no secular world. A world without sharia is a secular world.

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Let me make myself clear.

When I said, there is no secular world, I mean secularism does not influence all countries around the world. This ideology does not dominate the globe. A good example is Saudi Arabia, where some of the laws are based on Islam and not on secularism. I said secularism is more influential at the moment, especially in western countries.

How does the above equate to me not wanting the Sharia?

Besides, just because Sharia is not the most influential, it does not mean the world is secular. You can have Christianity that can be more influential.

Iluv♥Allah;1513238 said:

Anyway, I dont want to fight or argue, please watch the lecture if you can.

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Not fighting or arguing. Just putting my points across clearly.

Tragic Typos said:

Let me make myself clear.

When I said, there is no secular world, I mean secularism does not influence all countries around the world. This ideology does not dominate the globe. A good example is Saudi Arabia, where some of the laws are based on Islam and not on secularism. I said secularism is more influential at the moment, especially in western countries.

How does the above equate to me not wanting the Sharia?

Besides, just because Sharia is not the most influential, it does not mean the world is secular. You can have Christianity that can be more influential.

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With due respect. I disagree. but I dont want to :argue:

Iluv♥Allah;1513247 said:

With due respect. I disagree. but I dont want to :argue:

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What do you specifically disagree with?

You do not have to address my points. Feel free to ignore me. :

Tragic Typos said:

What do you specifically disagree with?

You do not have to address my points. Feel free to ignore me. :

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Whats the point brother? you obviously wouldnt agree with my views. but if you wish to talk about it, you can send me a pm otherwise this thread would go off topic and the mods would lock it.

Dont think I'm disagreeing with you because I didnt find anything to say. It is a common nature of people to think that you lost or you are scared just because either you apologize or you avoid an argument. I am not accusing you though.

I remember the old fight with you but my anger was not upon you, it was on that hypocrite SorayaCali. I am not a mean person but if anyone try to insult Allah or the Prophet then I can be mean. I was very mean but it was not on you, so you got the idea that I am not humble.

Iluv♥Allah;1513226 said:

I would love to know how these great scholars obtained their knowledge.

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And there is a playlist you will like a LOT

here you go: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5A3826D4B7024BC0&feature=plcp

Scimi

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Iluv♥Allah;1513238 said:

but the Muslims were the pioneers.

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I would have to say that they were pioneers in some instances, and revivalists in others, and whatever they revived, they improved upon.

Infact, Europe, didn't even know what soap was til the Muslims showed them - during the crusades. Yep, the Europeans were a stinky bunch of people lol. And today they have the nerve to call us smelly paki's and stuff... they should facepalm themselves.

In fact - Europe owes its Renaissance to the Muslims. Ungrateful idiots.

Scimi

Scimitar said:

And there is a playlist you will like a LOT

here you go: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5A3826D4B7024BC0&feature=plcp

Scimi

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Thanks brother scimi

You're welcome sister...

You are gonna love this (everyone does)


No, it's not a feature film... it's just those 13 minutes. But it's excellent isn't it?

Scimi

Sayyidina 'Umar (Radiallahu Anhu) once stated: "We were of the most disgraced of people, and Allah granted us honor through Islam. Now, whenever we seek honor in other than that which Allah honored us with, Allah shall disgrace us (once again)."

Our love for the world outweighs our love for the akhira. Sometimes going to the masjid makes it fairly easy to understand why we are where we are.

And to be fair, we're not really innovative anymore. We don't seek answers, we just go with the flow. Muslims live their going through the motions expected of them: get an education, get a job, get a car, get married, get a nice house, have a couple kids, and then wait for the kids to grow up so they can repeat the cycle, hopefully more successfully than you did so that you can brag to your friends. Education is not really about seeking knowledge, it's not about taking risks and doing something new, it's about making money.

About the hadeeth that you asked for: "Islam began as a stranger and shall return as a stranger as it began. So give glad tidings to the strangers".

I so get told I'm strange - or weird... that post just cheered me up. :statisfie

Scimi

BlissfullyJaded said:

Sayyidina 'Umar (Radiallahu Anhu) once stated: "We were of the most disgraced of people, and Allah granted us honor through Islam. Now, whenever we seek honor in other than that which Allah honored us with, Allah shall disgrace us (once again)."

Our love for the world outweighs our love for the akhira. Sometimes going to the masjid makes it fairly easy to understand why we are where we are.

And to be fair, we're not really innovative anymore. We don't seek answers, we just go with the flow. Muslims live their going through the motions expected of them: get an education, get a job, get a car, get married, get a nice house, have a couple kids, and then wait for the kids to grow up so they can repeat the cycle, hopefully more successfully than you did so that you can brag to your friends. Education is not really about seeking knowledge, it's not about taking risks and doing something new, it's about making money.

About the hadeeth that you asked for: "Islam began as a stranger and shall return as a stranger as it began. So give glad tidings to the strangers".

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Great post. it cheered me up as well. I couldnt explain it any better, we really need to make a change.

Islamic education is primary, it should be the priority to the Muslims atleast, then secular education is secondary so that you can identify the lies they are teaching you. For eg, Eisenstein was the inventor of mathematics, a big lie by the jews cause he was a jew as well. God knows what other lies they are teaching to our children and youth!