Islamic Gold Age VS The Secular World

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Scimitar said:
Einstein was Jew? I thought he was an agnostic...

Scimi
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Virtually all of those Zionist Ashkenazi Jews are agnostic. Don't let the rabbis and synagogues fool you, we can clearly see their disbelief.
It still hasn't stopped any of them from trying to claim Israel as a god given homeland ;D
 
We are so terrified of the world around us today that we push ourselves into the darkest corner available. The world is filled with fitna, and the progression of failure has dramatically escalated. We tend to reject anything that could slightly challenge any perception we hold of the world, and the negativity associated with innovation of the deen has sometimes been wrongfully applied to worldly innovation. We feel the need to categorize everything into haraam and halaal - the two extremes. Instead of understanding our situation and environment properly, we try to forcefully detach ourselves from our current time. Some are reminiscing of the Golden Ages, and others are dreaming about the Mahdi and Prophet Isa's arrival. There is nothing wrong with both reminiscing or dreaming, but will our children look forward to experiencing the future we could make for them, or will they even remember our current days as something worth reminiscing about?

We are neglecting our present, while trying to claim a past we did not contribute to and a future that is not shape by our actions.
 
Each man is a shepherd unto himself... we are only responsible for our own deeds...

And at the moment, in case you haven't realised, the Muslim world is on the back foot, being attacked from all sides. You really think we can contribute in this state? Because I don't - not to the level that Muslims contributed in ages past...

... But you know, I am happy the way things are - Allah planned it this way, and who am I to argue with HIS plan?

I do what I am good at, to the best of my ability, you do the same, and you too, and you also, oh and you too in the corner... do the best you can.

That's all you really can do.

Scimi
 
Scimitar said:
Each man is a shepherd unto himself... we are only responsible for our own deeds...

And at the moment, in case you haven't realised, the Muslim world is on the back foot, being attacked from all sides. You really think we can contribute in this state? Because I don't - not to the level that Muslims contributed in ages past...

... But you know, I am happy the way things are - Allah planned it this way, and who am I to argue with HIS plan?

I do what I am good at, to the best of my ability, you do the same, and you too, and you also, oh and you too in the corner... do the best you can.

That's all you really can do.

Scimi
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Brother I agree, there is the individual responsibility and the collective responsibility. The Prophet (PBUH) and his Companions (May Allah be pleased with all of them) were in a worse situation and they crushed their enemies from all corners. It's doable. Trying to analysis and improve the condition of the Muslim Ummah has nothing to do with arguing with God's plan. What the individual in the corner could do is endless, if we adopt a positive and encouraging mindset.
 
TrueStranger said:
The Prophet (PBUH) and his Companions (May Allah be pleased with all of them) were in a worse situation and they crushed their enemies from all corners. It's doable. Trying to analysis and improve the condition of the Muslim Ummah has nothing to do with arguing with God's plan.
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I agree, I just don't see it happening anytime soon. Unfortunately. I mean, look at the state of the Ummah just now.

Here's a short vid I made about the Makkah tower, read the explanations therein, taken from sahih sources.

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In these times, it's very difficult for the Ummah to become united - 73 sects and all...


Scimi
 
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I could see where you are coming from, but why don't you see it happening anytime soon? What condition of the Ummah is permanent or unchangeable? I can not honestly name 20 sects today, let alone 73 sects within the Muslim community. Let's focus on the positive aspects, while trying to educate the Ummah about the negative consequences of our actions or lack thereof, and simultaneously work towards eliminating or minimizing some of our current problems. A negative mindset is not a realistic mindset, and a positive mindset is not a practical one. So let's be positively realistic and practical as well.

Thanks for the beneficiary video. :D
 
Iluv♥Allah;1513252 said:
I remember the old fight with you but my anger was not upon you, it was on that hypocrite SorayaCali. I am not a mean person but if anyone try to insult Allah or the Prophet then I can be mean. I was very mean but it was not on you, so you got the idea that I am not humble.
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Salaam,

I don't fight with other members. I simply address other member's posts.

I'm saying you're not humble because of this:

you are living in deception. Wake up akhi.
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Moving on.

Whats the point brother? you obviously wouldnt agree with my views.
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What are your views?

but if you wish to talk about it, you can send me a pm otherwise this thread would go off topic and the mods would lock it.
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It has something to do with the topic. All I said was that there is no secular world. Countries around the world practice different ideologies. Somehow, you managed to interpret that as me not supporting the Sharia.
 
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When the sister said "secular world", I don't think she meant the whole world is secular. I think she was referring to a part of the world that consists of secular countries, in the same way that we talk about the "Islamic world" or "Muslim world" when we are talking about the Middle East (usually).
 
Uthmān;1513489 said:
When the sister said "secular world", I don't think she meant the whole world is secular. I think she was referring to a part of the world that consists of secular countries, in the same way that we talk about the "Islamic world" or "Muslim world" when we are talking about the Middle East (usually).
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Salaam,

Fair enough.
 
Tragic Typos said:
Let me make myself clear.

When I said, there is no secular world, I mean secularism does not influence all countries around the world. This ideology does not dominate the globe. A good example is Saudi Arabia, where some of the laws are based on Islam and not on secularism. I said secularism is more influential at the moment, especially in western countries.
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No country is maintaining the sharia accurately. Not even Saudi Arab. Where in Islam does it say to beat women for driving a car? Saudi Arab just goes too extreme sometimes making Islam look very harsh. They are not secular but they are not presenting the sharia accurately.

Besides, just because Sharia is not the most influential, it does not mean the world is secular.

This what I have heard from knowledgeable brothers, all education systems has become now secular even the Islamic institutions including university like Al Azhar. I didnt want to believe it but this is what some brothers of this forum has informed me. If anyone has more idea on it, I would like request them to clarify this issue.

You can have Christianity that can be more influential.

How? Please explain cause I didn't understand

And I'm sorry, I apologize any words that offended you, it was not my intention to insult you.
 
Iluv♥Allah;1513496 said:
No country is maintaining the sharia accurately.
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I know.

Not even Saudi Arab. Where in Islam does it say to beat women for driving a car? Saudi Arab just goes too extreme sometimes making Islam look very harsh. They are not secular but they are not presenting the sharia accurately.
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I'm aware Saudi Arabia is not implementing the complete Sharia. However, some of the laws are influenced by Islam.

You can have Christianity that can be more influential.
How? Please explain cause I didn't understand
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I'm not saying Christianity is more influential. It was an example to show that just because Islam is not the most influential ideology, does not automatically mean that secularism is the dominant ideology. You could have other ideologies that can be more influential and it does not have to be secularism. At the moment, I think nationalism is a very strong ideology, dominating this world.

And I'm sorry, I apologize any words that offended you, it was not my intention to insult you.
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It's cool. *throws confetti*
 
I don't agree with beating a woman, but the driving issue is over-simplified. And a lot of issues with Saudi Arabia are over-simplified, thus making them look really harsh. That said, there are other issues in which Sharia is presented accurately in Saudi Arabia and they are pretty much the only Muslim country which makes some effort at Sharia.

In what way is Al Azhar secular? And what other Islamic institutions are secular? There are plenty of Islamic institutions, Umm al Qura, Darul Uloom Deoband, Darul Uloom Nadwa, etc. By secular I'm assuming you're suggesting that they are watering down the deen, and they are criticizing parts of Islam, etc, and I'm not sure if any Islamic institutions are doing that. :unsure:
 
BlissfullyJaded said:
In what way is Al Azhar secular? And what other Islamic institutions are secular? There are plenty of Islamic institutions, Umm al Qura, Darul Uloom Deoband, Darul Uloom Nadwa, etc. By secular I'm assuming you're suggesting that they are watering down the deen, and they are criticizing parts of Islam, etc, and I'm not sure if any Islamic institutions are doing that. :unsure:
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Yes even I'm not sure of it brother. I wish it is not true. btw, which is the best Islamic institution in Malaysia? Do you know any? How is Islamic university Malaysia?
 

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