Can God Become A Man??

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This clip is from long a lecture but those 3 minutes are amazing from brother Abdur rheem Green.

 
God has no limit to his power so lowely minds want to bring him down to the lowest common denominator and stand as rivals!
 
piXie said:

Don't be silly.
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Salaam.

Please give him an answer as to why God cannot become a human being whether in the form of a male or female.
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it would be sheer hypocrisy for God to become a man and then worship himself in the third person... a la the Christian belief of Jesus pbuh.

God is not a deciever, nor is it meet for HIM to become a part of HIS creation, when He is far above it, the self sufficient and most merciful creator whose magnificence is far above the subjugated reality of a human being.

THINK PEOPLE - namely, Logicon, change your name to Logican't

Scimi
 
from an islamic perspective, god is free of all wants and needs. he has no need to become a man.

his will is done through all men, if they like it or not.

and if you dont, then maybe its time to change.


if its with regards to the christian belief system, then a man can certainly become the best representative of god amongst men.

..."a god amongst men" is a cliched term and not an accurate representation but i guess thats how use of language changes.


i mean just look at any priest or imam.

the obligation the expectation the responsibility they are required to have.


and ask them that same question OP.

you dont pray to them, you pray with them.


you expect them to give you the insight to make the best decisions in your life.

and the more you follow the more at the mercy of your decisions they are.


hope that makes some sense.
 
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Scimitar said:
it would be sheer hypocrisy for God to become a man and then worship himself in the third person... a la the Christian belief of Jesus pbuh.
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I thought Jesus (peace be upon him) was the Son of God. So he wasn't actually worshiping himself, but worshiping God. Christians pray to the father, but use Jesus' (peace be upon him) name.

In the main, Christians pray to the Father, in the name of the Son (Jesus). And they know the Holy Spirit is the one who lifts those prayers up, and Jesus also interceeds for them - Romans 8:26-27 "But the Spirit himself interceds for us with groans that words cannot express. And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints in accordance with God's will." Compare that to Hebrews 7:25, where Jesus intercedes for the saints!

Now, the point is, all prayer to God involves all three Persons of the Godhead - the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Jesus gave Christians permission to pray directly to him as well. That's in John 14:14, just before Jesus died. He said, "I am going to the Father. And I will do whatever you ask in my name, so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it. See also John 15:16 & 16:23.

When Stephen was being stoned to death, a bit later, he had a vision of Jesus standing besides God in heaven, and then Stephen prayed to Jesus, "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit" (Acts 7:54-60)

Because the one Being of God subsists in the three persons of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, all three are bound together in matters of prayer. Most times Christians pray to the Father, in Jesus' name, but there are occasions when the matter for prayer is most appropriately addressed to Jesus, and sometimes it is the blessed Holy Spirit who we cry out to. But at all times we are praying to this one Being who, alone is God.

 
Ask 10 Chirstians who God is, wait for their answers: most will say Jesus.

I know, I'm on Christian forums so... I get this response all the time :)

Scimi
 
It is wrong to say that God can do ALL things or God can do ANYTHING.

The right thing to say is God has power over ALL things.

If you say God can do ALL things or God can do anything, then ask yourself, can God tell a lie? Can God deceive? Can God be unjust? Can God commit a sin? Can God create another God? Can God take the form of His creation? The answer to these questions is a plain and simple "No".

That's why when someone asks Christians the question "Can God create a rock that He cannot lift?" they get stunned.
 

Logikon said:
God has no limits on his power so he can.
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The way I've heard it is similar to the video. God not being able to become a man is not a sign of weakness or a limit on his power, but rather it is a nonsensical statement. Man, almost by definition, is imperfect. God, by definition, is perfect. To say God turns into a man is like saying you have a square circle. It just doesn't make sense, and so is impossible. The same can be said, I think, about the once popular argument about God being able to make a rock so heavy he can't lift it. So I guess in that sense, you can say that there are 'limits' to God's power, but I don't see that as being much of an issue. I am curious as to how you, or maybe other Christians, rationalize this. I've never heard the same answer from two different Christians, so it's always interesting to hear.
 
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True, it is not a matter of power and capability, but one of wisdom and justice.

Allah :swt: in His Infinite wisdom will not do an act that in so doing - will make Him no longer Allah!
 
Tyrion said:
So I guess in that sense, you can say that there are 'limits' to God's power, but I don't see that as being much of an issue.
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As-salamu alaykum brother,

There is no limit to Allah (swt)'s power, please be careful of what you say... What you said is kufr!

Please refer to this link http://islamqa.info/en/ref/39679 for more insight on the Islamic perspective towards the "heavy-rock" question.
 
Indian Bro said:
There is no limit to Allah (swt)'s power, please be careful of what you say... What you said is kufr!
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No it's not. I said the only limit is the inability to do the logically impossible, which isn't actually a limit but just common sense.
 
Can God become a man is not the same question as would or did God become a man.
 
Pygoscelis said:
Can God become a man is not the same question as would or did God become a man
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God *can* become man is He wants to. Infact God even have His "begotten" son if He wants to aswell. There is no objection to what ever God wills to do. The question is,however, is in terms of accpeting truth. God did not transform into man and descended down to earth. The problem centrally is that we can't attribute to God that which there is no evidence of. And in the terms of God really becoming a man the main question here is *why* would He need to in first place. God can become a man if He wants to but He didn't since it's not necessary and wouldn't because it is degrading of Him.
 
Same applies to Him having a son. In the Quran it explicity does not reject that God can not "have" a son it even goes as far as to say that and in the tongue of the prophet (pbuh) "If the All-Merciful did really have a son, then I am the first of worshippers" --of that son. But the fault here is that; God does not have ason to begin with. And so it would be not only blasmephy against Him to say He has a begotten son but also a lie.
 

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