Boston bombings

[جوري]

Also, Guilt is a judicial matter. A young man had to die and a family completely ruined before we had a chance to know the truth out of this disgusting mob mentality. The guy who allegedly sent ricin to the president was exonerated, they should have been given the same chance!

[Independent]

I didn't say whether or not he had a fake injury

Now you agree he had a real injury???!

So there was a bomb, everyone was injured, and Jeff Bauman is who he says he is. This is the exact official version isn't it?

This is farcical. 15 pages to get to this. Maybe it would be quicker if you told us the bits you didn't agree with and stop wasting everybody's time.

[titus]

Ok, secondly I didn't say whether or not he had a fake injury I wish you and the other guy would quit speaking on my behalf. I said for a vascular injury of that magnitude he wouldn't be sitting on the chair in the AAOX3.

First off where did it say he was AAOX3 or that he was not close to death? Because one of the reports I read said that he was close to death and required massive amounts of blood that day. Everything I have read also said he was in major shock after the bombing.

The interviews with the FBI happened after he was out of intensive care.

[جوري]

First off where did it say he was AAOX3 or that he was not close to death? Because one of the reports I read said that he was close to death and required massive amounts of blood that day. Everything I have read also said he was in major shock after the bombing.

The interviews with the FBI happened after he was out of intensive care.

:haha: I guess a shift in story is good right about now.. reminds me of the time you asked me (at least I think it was you) about at least one female Muslim ruler, and when provided your story switched to some other need.

isn't that him on the scene?

you need blood banking for a transfusion so per you he got worse after he went to the hospital & not before? given that shock ensues within 10 minutes or so depending on pressure applied? Even IV bags themselves can serve to speed the shock because fluid on the scene isn't usually warmed. Not that I see any bags hanging from him or anything...
pls. I urge you and the govt. you defend to sit down and work on your stories and think about them a little before releasing them to the world!

best,

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[IAmZamzam]

If the wounds would have been impossible to live through, then why has there been no outcry from the thousands and thousands of doctors from around the world already concerning this? After all the picture is becoming iconic. I know you are a medical expert and all, but why are we not hearing from others in the medical field to corroborate? I mean, besides that one guy with EMT training that is also able to decode super secret signals (like waving a hand and putting on sunglasses) why is nobody brave enough to speak out? Are they all a part of the conspiracy or is the government intimidating all of them into silence?

I would have expected you not to stoop to an argument from silence. Come on.

[جوري]

I don't understand why people don't read and we keep going back to square one.. Do people here understand about the glasgow scale at all- about vascular injuries from a major vessel about trauma care about basic CPR and ACLS?

[titus]

I can see that he is awake. As for the rest, are you aware of anyone asking him any questions to determine if he was AAO?

[جوري]

I can see that he is awake. As for the rest, are you aware of anyone asking him any questions to determine if he was AAO?

If he weren't the other A what is he doing sitting? shouldn't he be on a gurney with a bag over his body until they take him to the hospital in a hurry we're talking about minutes here to death. 10-15 to lose what is vital to live from that type vessel and 6 mins for brain death!

best,

[جوري]

btw the oriented can be deciphered with his identification of the culprit .. you need that you know, otherwise two people were victimized and one of them killed for nothing.

best,

[Independent]

btw the oriented can be deciphered with his identification of the culprit .. you need that you know, otherwise two people were victimized and one of them killed for nothing.

This doesn't make much sense in English but I'm guessing you're saying Jeff's testimony is important to the conspiracy. But it isn't. It may have been important in identifying the suspects faster (but if you think he's a fake then that wouldn't apply anyway). But it isn't of much value to the conspiracy.

Tamerlan and Dzhokhar are suspects for a whole variety of reasons and Jeff's testimony, if they even bother to call him, will not make much difference in court.

Apart from that, I can't make head or tail of whether you think he was injured in the blast or not, and what injuries he received. I wonder if you know yourself?

Stop wasting everyone's time!

[جوري]

Questions we should actually be asking.
1- Vital signs, BP and pulse rate
2- an estimate of his blood loss and type of injury sustained at the scene, whether there was a complete or incomplete transection of the arteries.
3- how long from trauma to hospital
4- what was done for him at the scene, sometimes it is indeed best not to volume replete for multiple reasons one of them is the temp of the IV and hemodilution can further exacerbate the problem.
Until someone brings us those answers I suggest no Muslim subscribe to the story from either end.. we should always hold our judgement until everything is made known to us. Unfortunately that will never be known in the case of the older brother.

:w:

[جوري]

This doesn't make much sense in English

Yes it is about medicine, I don't expect you to understand that, anymore than I can understand why you reply to something over your head and repeatedly?

Stop wasting everyone's time!

In fact that is what you're doing... you disappear to ask your boss what to write and come back with more inane drivel. I am not interested in your story, or what you think I ought to believe or what it is you put out there as my beliefs. I didn't elect you to speak on my behalf, and I doubt very much anyone finds what you write here contributory under any light, whether to shed light or cast light.
Your entire posts here are riddled with nothing but ridicule, name calling, harassments, rudeness, belittling others. You write non answers and pose non questions. I don't understand why the mods tolerate you and us by proxy.


best,

[Independent]

Questions we should actually be asking.
1- Vital signs, BP and pulse rate
2- an estimate of his blood loss and type of injury sustained at the scene, whether there was a complete or incomplete transection of the arteries.
3- how long from trauma to hospital
4- what was done for him at the scene, sometimes it is indeed best not to volume replete for multiple reasons one of them is lowering o

No, this is a set of questions that we don't need to ask. It is vanishingly unimportant whether or not you think he received the right treatment at the scene. Are you a member of a medical forum too? Have you forgotten where you are?

Please tell us exactly who you think was injured by the bomb? Does it include Jeff? Are you saying he received some injuries but not the ones they say?

Otherwise, get back to the medical forum and stop derailing this thread!

[جوري]

Quote it.

You're so good at concocting tales of what other people write, you couldn't make out what I was saying from all of these?

It was a disaster area, question is who is the culprit?
The woman in the previous video described the situation quite well and got away with it for seven years. All you really need is one person!

And what action have you taken? what questions have you asked? in fact we are the ones asking the questions- you're merely parroting BS you see on TV which is completely and utterly illogical and as I have demonstrated in just the last post, media frenzy and governmental recognition doesn't denote the story is at all true. How are you handling this cognitive dissonance?
This tirade is best directed at your own person in fact and if BS is what you're dispensing with then there's no harm pointing it out. If you can't come up with something logical & coherent to explain his medical condition then don't throw a tantrum, everyone can see through the charade!

and imagine this.. here she is honored with the best of them and years before it was found out, she was neither in the towers, didn't lose anyone and was in fact in another country all together.. If whom you know is padding and media circus is the truth then people do deserve the title of idiots for believing everything they see and questioning none of it!

Also, Guilt is a judicial matter. A young man had to die and a family completely ruined before we had a chance to know the truth out of this disgusting mob mentality. The guy who allegedly sent ricin to the president was exonerated, they should have been given the same chance!

Until someone brings us those answers I suggest no Muslim subscribe to the story from either end.. we should always hold our judgement until everything is made known to us. Unfortunately that will never be known in the case of the older brother.

best,

[Independent]

Ok, i read through these quotes and i find quite a bit about 9/11, some more personal insults (not as good as your later material though), something about the ricin incident (which hardly anyone thinks is relevant), and absolutely nothing about Boston. Oh, except that you asked 'who is the culprit' at the start.

None of which answers my question, which you say you answered 'multiple times', so I'll ask you again:

What do you think actually happened in Boston? Obviously, I'm hoping this explanation is going to include something that makes Jeff's injuries or lack of them (whichever it is you actually think) relevant.

[جوري]

What do you think actually happened in Boston? Obviously, I'm hoping this explanation is going to include something that makes Jeff's injuries or lack of them (whichever it is you actually think) relevant.

We don't know what happened in Boston and neither do you!
a bomb went off, some people were injured whether or not their injuries are congruent with medical science is irrelevant I take, nonetheless, one person is dead and another is in the hospital a family is ruined and a community is apologizing for it, not sure for what purpose is this trial carried out by media? I think we're owed actual evidence and an actual trial not a couple of net trolls telling us what we should believe happened and not eliciting a response from which you're to draw the usual sarcasm.. not only are you ineffectual with that venom but you draw on something already faulty.
This rabid media already released the wrong culprits twice and we've demonstrated, once with the Saudi, the second with the 'bag men' later on they'd a complete profile on the alleged terrorists and their 'radicalization' - We're going to have sit and wait this one out until it is fully cooked. I do urge all muslims to refrain from taking bait from the likes of you. I don't know if they smell your stench the way I do, but :ia: :Allah::swt: will guide them to what to do based solely on principles of Islam which is to hold all judgement based on hearsay!

best,

[~Zaria~]

The FBI acknowledged this within hours of the public identification of the suspects on April 19th.

Just to let you know:

Although the FBI initially denied contacting Tsarnaev, the brothers' mother said they had in an interview with Russia Today.

......

"They used to come [to our] home, they used to talk to me ... they were telling me that he was really an extremist leader and that they were afraid of him," Tsarnaeva said. "They told me whatever information he is getting, he gets from these extremist sites... they were controlling him, they were controlling his every step...and now they say that this is a terrorist act!"

Full article here: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-...ect-years-ago/

[Independent]

a bomb went off, some people were injured

Thank you for, at last, sharing with us your great insight on the Boston bombings.

I'm sure the situation is much clearer to all of us now.

[~Zaria~]

"Continue on in your journey for truth.

Dont ever condemn someone for trying to see something, that everyone else is accepting is there....."

[جوري]

Just to let you know:

he is surprised that having been so stringent with the entire family, the FBI had no idea the sons were supposedly planning a terrorist act
from your link..

isn't that exactly how they do it with everyone? and before them it was Tareq Mehnna, whom they set up for reading or watching God knows of their allegations 'extremist websites'
Also makes you wonder at the end of the day if thoughts are crimes and reading material the govt. doesn't approve of lands people dead or in jail, why it is they continue to tote such meaningless terms as 'freedom of speech and press, and religion' and yada yada.
It is truly unbelievable!

[titus]

These men didn't want their day in court. They ran and shot at the police who were trying to abduct them. The younger brother will get his day in court and the facts will be displayed for all to see.

Innocent people do not, for the most part, shoot at police when they are accused of a crime.

After the incident the NY Post had a cover article with a picture of two men saying the feds were looking for them. What did the 17 year old in the photo do? Did he try and run away and shoot at police? No, he went to the authorities to give his side of the story and proclaim his innocence.

But let's all be honest, even if there is a trial and the younger brother confesses the conspiracy theories won't stop. They will change, and they will adapt, and what we will hear a year from now will be completely different than what we hear today, but the conspiracy mongers will still be in full action. The surviving brother will be called a dupe or a liar or maybe even be called a part of the conspiracy, but does anyone really believe that the people arguing for a conspiracy today will ever not believe in some sort of conspiracy about this? I surely don't.

So you can say we need to wait for the facts to come out, but I say the facts are irrelevant to the conspiracy theorists. There are no facts that can come forth that will appease them, not even a full confession from the stand on live television from the bomber would be enough. Any evidence they will claim was planted or made up.

So yes, you can say wait for the facts to come out but we all know it won't matter. The facts will get ignored. The fact that hundreds of people (now including the doctors at the hospitals, every single person that knows the "actors" in the drama, the Boston police dept, the FBI, etc.) are all in on a conspiracy to (make people hate Muslims/perpetuate the Petro-Dollar/whatever) is considered more likely than 2 guys making a bomb and setting it off in a crowded area shows how immune to objectivity the conspiracy theorists are.

[جوري]

Innocent people do not, for the most part, shoot at police when they are accused of a crime.

You saw him shoot at the police? or the police told you so?
It is so amusing how everyone suddenly knows they're guilty!

[titus]

I didn't but there were witnesses who did. Most were members of the police department and people that lived in the neighborhood.

As I said in my previous post, though, we all know that the local police departments were in on the conspiracy and lied about what happened, right?

[جوري]

As I said in my previous post, though, we all know that the local police departments were in on the conspiracy and lied about what happened, right?

You and the other fellow have all the answers- it is a conundrum really as to why you'd want to elicit a response from anyone here? Perhaps just interested in another 18 pages from which you can't offer answers but enjoy dispensing with simpleton like conclusions?
Innocent men don't run, indeed but they also don't die at the scene!

best,

[sister herb]

Those boys/young men seems to were real misguided. Think that jihad means killing innocents. Sorry for them. May Allah punish all who misguid young people thinking so that killing innocents is some kind of jihad. From so-called al-qaeda or from some other source.

I shame if someone thinks they, who ever they were, did right. It was totally against humanity.

[faithandpeace]

Why does the media keep referring to the wife as "Katherine Russell?" Didn't she legally change her name? If so, why aren't they using her current and therefore correct name? Or are Muslim converts not allowed to have their identities acknowledged? How is this freedom?

[faithandpeace]

Independent, I could not find any introductory thread from you. Are you interested in Islam? What is your intent?

[sister herb]

I wonder how dear to Americans is idea of "conspiracy theory", just same if they are muslims or non-muslims, if matter is 9/11 or Boston Marathon. Every victims and guilties are allways victims of conspiracy theory. By FBI or by CIA.

;D

[islamica]

Why does the media keep referring to the wife as "Katherine Russell?" Didn't she legally change her name? If so, why aren't they using her current and therefore correct name? Or are Muslim converts not allowed to have their identities acknowledged? How is this freedom?

That is how pathetic media behaves. They are trying to show that she is "one of them" and was forced to convert, not to mention how they keep showing all her pictures hijabless before she converted in order to convince the public how she was "normal" before "brainwashed" into converting. And if you look at that princess kate Middleton when her nudity pictures were printed, in all the newspapers, tabloids and everywhere you would see her wearing a veil as if they were desperately trying to show she is a "modest" woman. This is the typical double standard hypocrisy of the media.

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphoto...00110217_n.jpg

I didn't but there were witnesses who did.

People didn't see anything, they just heard "boom, boom, boom" like this actor ....



Witness just happens to see bombing & 4 days later seeing suspect being shot at by police? In a city of 4.6 million people? To be at BOTH locations as well as BOTH locations to be spontaneously interviewed by the press defies the laws of probability and believability.

[Independent]

To be at BOTH locations as well as BOTH locations to be spontaneously interviewed by the press defies the laws of probability and believability.

Not really. There were perhaps a 1000 people near enough to the bombs to be called witnesses - spread that across the city and it's not remarkable that some people should be in the vicinity of both incidents. As for her eagerness to talk to the cameras (if it is indeed the same woman) - well, some people look for the cameras.

You are always looking to pick holes in the official account but avoiding applying the same standard to the conspiracy account.

What does this woman add to the conspiracy? Nothing. Many people were interviewed. You think they couldn't be bothered to hire another actor? How can they be that stupid, yet clever enough to pull this stunt off? Did they run out budget?

Every time they do this, every single extra complication they add in, risks the discovery and collapse of the whole conspiracy. If any of these so-called actor witnesses talk, the whole thing is blown. That means the death penalty for President Obama and thousands of his so-called conspirators.

It also means that all those rich Jews who are supposed to own the world lose their power, their wealth and probably their lives. For what? One more irrelevant witness. Do you really think this is plausible?

As yet, no one has put together anything like a coherent narrative to replace the official account. As with previous conspiracies, there is a mad collection of totally inconsistent ideas, half of which have already been quietly dropped.

[Independent]

Independent, I could not find any introductory thread from you. Are you interested in Islam? What is your intent?

If I remember rightly it was you who was asking why non Muslims were even allowed on this forum in a previous post (forgive me if I mistake you). This is an issue you should take up with the Mods. They make the rules, not me.

Personally I think it's great that there are places like this where people from different backgrounds, countries and beliefs can exchange views safely - albeit in an overall Islamic context. I may not agree with everything that gets censored (or which doesn't get censored) but it's their decision, not mine.

I don't contribute to the great majority of threads where I think it would be inappropriate. I may make mistakes sometimes. This particular thread is about politics and events in a western country. I am also interested in history and science. I am reading the Qur'an although I don't anticipate conversion.

[Jedi_Mindset]

Might be relevant to this topic, still need to watch it myself though:

[Muhammad]

I think it is time we lay this thread to rest. I cannot see much benefit in speculating further about the events, and there are many inappropriate posts being made. May I take this opportunity to remind us of the forum rule:

#9. Beef will not be tolerated in any forum. Differences in opinion are expected, but please debate respectfully. (Beef are comments made for the purpose of insulting somebody else with negative intent, looking for a negative reaction, or blatantly insulting somebody)

I hope this will be borne in mind for future discussions :ia:.

Thread closed.