Boston bombings

[Independent]

Why forced picked? I imagine people go into politics and run for presidency because they enjoy that line of wor

I'm not sure of the system in the US, but in the Uk you have to be selected to be a candidate first as an MP, then later as party leader. Many people get to vote on this. It's incredibly hard to see how you could stage manage the result again and again.

Their agenda is really one in the end on the big issues they only trifle over stupid things else you'd have had major ongoing civil wars!

Tea Party etc seem to think the differences are worth fighting about.

You don't need the entire police force to plant a bomb, get your head out of the gutter!

But you would need most of, say, Boston's force for this event.

Journalists who write otherwise are labeled conspirators. The story only needs to break out in one corporate media and the rest report the same.

If the best evidence you have is what Islamica posted earlier, no journalist is going to touch it. Because it's crap.

So yes, you need thousands. Is there really nothing about this in conspiracy land? Surely there must be some attempt to explain it!

I'm disappointed - you don't know the answer to this. We need a conspiracy theory professional to help out. Maybe Jedi.

 

[جوري]

I'm not sure of the system in the US, but in the Uk you have to be selected to be a candidate first as an MP, then later as party leader. Many people get to vote on this. It's incredibly hard to see how you could stage manage the result again and again.

Read up on it, and on electoral votes if you don't know what it is. Our choices were either Obama or Romney!

Tea Party etc seem to think the differences are worth fighting about.

Tea party are oafs they don't know how to diplomatically articulate what is already being carried out..
when govt. drones civilian villages, they like the words to accompany that to evoke the notion that it is justifiable!

But you would need most of, say, Boston's force for this event.

for what reason?

If the best evidence you have is what Islamica posted earlier, no journalist is going to touch it. Because it's crap.

I imagine telling the truth doesn't pay well yes, your point being? People can either write for independent sources like Chomsky or Fisk or just tell the story the way those who revolted in the so-called Arab spring have.. Their reality is certainly not echoed by main stream media.. So yeah you stick to the non-crap it makes you fifty percent smarter


best,

 

[Jedi_Mindset]

the only story that will make it, is the story they'll put out and it doesn't matter if it isn't the truth.. what matters is that whatever is right is always marred so much so that no one can tell the difference

Wow, didnt know you knew about the gladio operatinos as well sis, this is in my eyes not a conspiracy theory anymore but plain facts and that gladio still exists today! People claim and follow blindly what they want, i see mr independent here is no exception.

I nelieve a italian agent exposed this in open sight, however forgot to know what his name was. Maybe you can post a article about him and shut down independent entirely. Because the gladio paramilitary army was infact admitted by the italian goverment as being a NATO proxy army, doing secret operations, many of these operations were the false flag operations during the cold war.

 

[Independent]

Read up on it, and on electoral votes if you don't know what it is. Our choices were either Obama or Romney!

No, you need to read up on the UK system. You need all these countries to be part of it. The Prime Minister of Britain (equivalent to a US President) is chosen from Members of Parliament so you need to get elected as an MP first. MPs are chosen by their local party committees. It's a long process involving many people. It would be very hard to predict the winner so you would need to recruit many, many people to guarantee the result. That's just in the UK, you face issues in every country.

for what reason?

If the event was faked, they had a front row view of it.

People can either write for independent sources like Chomsky or Fisk

Unfortunately, neither of your independently minded heroes is a conspiracist:

Chomsky: "The concept of "false flag operation" is not a very serious one, in my opinion. None of the examples you describe, or any other in history, has even a remote resemblance to the alleged 9/11 conspiracy. I'd suggest that you look at each of them carefully."

Fisk: "Any military which can claim – as the Americans did two days ago – that al-Qa'ida is on the run is not capable of carrying out anything on the scale of 9/11."

So they are right about everything else but not this? That's convenient for you! Maybe they're in on it too?

 

[جوري]

No, you need to read up on the UK system. You need all these countries to be part of it. The Prime Minister of Britain (equivalent to a US President) is chosen from Members of Parliament so you need to get elected as an MP first. MPs are chosen by their local party committees. It's a long process involving many people. It would be very hard to predict the winner so you would need to recruit many, many people to guarantee the result. That's just in the UK, you face issues in every country.

The UK is a poodle to the U.S nonetheless all follow in the same policies!

Unfortunately, neither of your independently minded heroes is a conspiracis

I never claimed they were those are your words to describe anyone who doesn't agree with your main stream garbage!

So they are right about everything else but not this? That's convenient for you! Maybe they're in on it too?

We all know what your job here is and I love the little morsel you always add to your stick.. hopefully you end up eating it in the end since none of us are into manure..

best,

 

[Independent]

The UK is a poodle to the U.S nonetheless all follow in the same policies!

You are accusing the UK and other western governments of collaborating in the mass murder of their own people. An 'order' from the US President is not enough.

I never claimed they were those are your words to describe anyone who doesn't agree with your main stream garbage!

You put them forward (not me) as reputable, independently minded journalists who don't follow the mainstream. Yet even they think you're talking crap.

Jedi, you are the expert here. What is the official conspiracist's explanation for how people are recruited in all the necessary professions and positions in all the countries in all the generations?

 

[جوري]

You are accusing the UK and other western governments of collaborating in the mass murder of their own people. An 'order' from the US President is not enough.

They don't need an order, they're like minded.. however the not so great British empire collapsed and another one risen naturally that's the one that dictates policies.

You put them forward (not me) as reputable, independently minded journalists who don't follow the mainstream. Yet even they think you're talking crap.

How do you figure? You talk crap they don't.. if you actually follow what they write you'd label it conspiracy!
for instance this article:
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...s-are-provoking-civil-war-in-iraq-475889.html

this is not conspiracy per your definitions?

As I stated before it will take much more than your name calling, intellectual bullying & baiting to contain the situation!
best,

 

[Naeema]

I nelieve a italian agent exposed this in open sight, however forgot to know what his name was.

I'm not sure which agent you are recalling. The earliest I recall is when Vincenzo Vinciguerra confessed in 1984 to conducting a bombing in Peteano that had been previously blamed on the Red Brigade. He was Ordine Nuovo and the attack was performed with help from Italy's SID. He talked about an "entire mechanism" that was involved, what we now call Gladio. Prime Minister Andreotti openly admitted to Gladio's existence in 1990. The exact information about what happened and who funded it has never been fully documented. General Gerardo Serravalle publicly acknowledged at trial commanding it from 1971 to 1974. Bits and pieces got out over the years, but always very shadowy and slowly.

France's interior ministry and MOD have also acknowledged having a stay-behind force at times in the 20th century. Belgium eventually wrapped theirs into the SGR. Even the Nazi's had Werwolf (although it was 90% propaganda).

However, like the massacre at Brabant, we may never really know who did a certain thing and exactly why. Was it disillusioned Rijkswacht? Was it organized Rijkswacht? Was it related to roze balletten?

At the end of the day, I'm not sure that it matters what banner flies above a group of people that will engage in despicable acts in the name of justice, glory, or money. Whether it is done ostensibly in the name of 'Murica or Christ or family or a newfound savior, you're an outlier at best.

 

[Jedi_Mindset]

I'm not sure which agent you are recalling. The earliest I recall is when Vincenzo Vinciguerra confessed in 1984 to conducting a bombing in Peteano that had been previously blamed on the Red Brigade. He was Ordine Nuovo and the attack was performed with help from Italy's SID. He talked about an "entire mechanism" that was involved, what we now call Gladio. Prime Minister Andreotti openly admitted to Gladio's existence in 1990. The exact information about what happened and who funded it has never been fully documented. General Gerardo Serravalle publicly acknowledged at trial commanding it from 1971 to 1974. Bits and pieces got out over the years, but always very shadowy and slowly.

France's interior ministry and MOD have also acknowledged having a stay-behind force at times in the 20th century. Belgium eventually wrapped theirs into the SGR. Even the Nazi's had Werwolf (although it was 90% propaganda).

However, like the massacre at Brabant, we may never really know who did a certain thing and exactly why. Was it disillusioned Rijkswacht? Was it organized Rijkswacht? Was it related to roze balletten?

At the end of the day, I'm not sure that it matters what banner flies above a group of people that will engage in despicable acts in the name of justice, glory, or money. Whether it is done ostensibly in the name of 'Murica or Christ or family or a newfound savior, you're an outlier at best.

Exactly, thanks for telling me the name.

 

[Independent]

They don't need an order, they're like minded

Ok, you obviously have no idea how the UK system works and therefore nothing to say here.

this is not conspiracy per your definitions?

It's very interesting that Fisk and Chomsky stop short of Truthers, Sandy Hook, Boston conspiracies etc. It shows where the line is between 'independent viewpoint' and 'nutcase'.

Jedi, please tell us what is the main conspiracy theorists line on this? How do they explain the mass recruitment?

 

[جوري]

Ok, you obviously have no idea how the UK system works and therefore nothing to say here.

running out of useful things to impart as usual so resort to drivel and then down hill from there bait, insult, mock then take up webspace on useless drivel

where the line is between 'independent viewpoint' and 'nutcase'.

glad you retracted your earlier opinion, but as stated all along, your opinion is worth zero to nill!

best,

 

[Independent]

glad you retracted your earlier opinion

Not sure what you're on about here, I haven't retracted anything. Chomsky and Fisk believe in plenty of conspiracies, as do I, but not the 'A' list - 9/11, Sandy Hook etc. Governments all over the world can be devious and deceitful. But mass murder of your own citizens is a whole different ball game.

Still waiting on Jedi here. I've never known him turn down an opportunity to talk conspiracies. I'm genuinely interested to know what the story is.

 

[جوري]

glad you retracted your earlier opinion Not sure what you're on about here,

anyone who has been following the thread can see through the transparency of your charade.
Good luck with all of that!

best,

 

[Independent]

This is funny - look what just came up on the BBC. Looks like you need to recruit a few more guys to the conspiracy crew:

[h=1]New York police find 'part of 9/11 plane landing gear'[/h] New York Police have found part of the landing gear of what is believed to be one of jets flown into the World Trade Center on 11 September 2001. The piece - including a clearly visible Boeing identification number - was found wedged between two New York City buildings, police said.

It was found on Wednesday by surveyors inspecting a lower Manhattan building. Nearly 3,000 people died in the terror attacks on New York, Washington and Pennsylvania.

 

[IAmZamzam]

You are accusing the UK and other western governments of collaborating in the mass murder of their own people. An 'order' from the US President is not enough

Oh it's not like I would put it past them by any means. Sociopaths of their sort would hardly even need a particularly compelling reason to murder their own people, let alone some Zionist conspiracy. It’s even a wee bit conceivable that they’re lacking enough in common sense for it not to matter all that much that they’d have a lot to lose by such a measure. But that’s exactly the problem: they’re lacking in common sense. Too much so to be the criminal masterminds necessary to keep something like this sufficiently under wraps. I feel much the same way on these sorts of issues that Dave Barry does when it comes to the idea that the U.S. is hiding evidence of aliens:

It’s not that I don’t believe the government would try to hide dead aliens: it’s that I don’t think the government would succeed, since every time the government tries to do anything secretly, as in the Iran-contra arms deal, it winds up displaying all the finesse and stealth of an exploding cigar at a state funeral. If there really were dead aliens, I figure, there would also be daily leaks about it from High Level Officials, and huge arguments among influential congresspersons over whose district the multimillion-dollar Federal Dead Alien storage facility would be located in. (“Dave Barry Is Not Making This Up”, page 41)

But I shouldn't even half-joke because then I might end up getting accused of retracting my own statements as well.

 

[Independent]

But that’s exactly the problem: they’re lacking in common sense. Too much so to be the criminal masterminds necessary to keep something like this sufficiently under wraps.

I totally agree, this is way too hard even for geniuses.

Oh it's not like I would put it past them by any means

The trouble is, for this theory, you don't just need one Prime Minister, you need all of them.

 

[جوري]

You are accusing the UK and other western governments of collaborating in the mass murder of their own people. An 'order' from the US President is not enough

Indy here can create the scenario of his choosing and offer the replies of his choosing -- You're also free to build on his faulty premise and ever evolving creations as you go along.. of course not free to project them, but we can only shrug our shoulders in mild amusement truly.. not sure where to classify this delusion/grandiosity/schizoid behavior, incoherence on the five axis so we'll just give him a GAF score of 12 .. pretty much sums up the long & short of it..
best,

 

[Independent]

Indy here can create the scenario of his choosing and offer the replies of his choosing -- You're also free to build on his faulty premise and ever evolving creations as you go along.. of course not free to project them, but we can only shrug our shoulders in mild amusement truly.. not sure where to classify this delusion/grandiosity/schizoid behavior, incoherence on the five axis so we'll just give him a GAF score of 12 .. pretty much sums up the long & short of it..

I'd like to reply to this just on principle but it contains no information. Come on Jedi!

 

[جوري]

I'd like to reply to this just on principle but it contains no information

Echoes back your nothing with insight to your psyche.


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[جوري]

Get on the Israeli page people..
It can slap them in the face and kick them in the ass and some here still don't get it!

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