Message from Muslim Council of Britain

Hello glo


I m surprised to read the message . Even if it's not ' haram ' for Muslims, surely we are not ' encouraged ' to celebrate it . So , how come a Muslim org can ask Muslims ' to put up the Christmas tree ? Don't understand it .

Muslim Woman said:

Hello glo


I m surprised to read the message . Even if it's not ' haram ' for Muslims, surely we are not ' encouraged ' to celebrate it . So , how come a Muslim org can ask Muslims ' to put up the Christmas tree ? Don't understand it .

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Salam alaykum

I don´t think they encourage muslims "to put up the Christmas tree" but their Christian neighbors instead.

I think message is good - it shows tolerance and understanding for others way to believe (and celebrate their holidays).

Maybe that is some kind of answer to actions of those some young muslim men in UK whose patroled on the streets and tried to prevent non-muslims to drink alcohol or be without covering they heads.

I mean this one: http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/dec/06/muslim-vigilantes-jailed-sharia-law-attacks-london

Its due some recent propaganda that muslims were trying to ban christmas which is unbelieveable nonsense as i have never encountered a muslim who complained about this. Sadly, some ignorants believe this. Hence i think they put out this message

I cant find the article where it was mentioned that muslims were trying to ban christmas however it was in dutch.

Something like this hoax? http://www.hoax-slayer.com/christmas-banned-offends-muslims-false-story.shtml

^

Yep, good find

The last line:

"All I can say is that the people who believe these absurd stories mustn't get out much."

laying: Thats true.

:wa:

sister herb said:

Salam alaykum

I don´t think they encourage muslims "to put up the Christmas tree" but their Christian neighbors instead.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/dec/06/muslim-vigilantes-jailed-sharia-law-attacks-london

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lol got the message now correctly :hiding:


I had no idea about the context . Message is good. To avoid confusion , they may include a title : To our Christians neighbours :a message from Muslims ......something like this.

Christmas has gotten way out of control. They are promoting it (the merchants I mean) as far back as October. It has gotten so commercial and sickly Americanised. The pope should do something about it, maybe have a crusade against money grubbing merchants. The pious will just go to midnight mass it's not a circus, get rid of the blasphemy.
I think the rot set in when one of the popes allowed musical instruments to be used in sacred music, only voice was allowed before then and only in perfect consonance, plainchant. Another thing is that most of the people celebrating Christmas are not Christians but atheists. I would like it better if Holy days were taken seriously, Christmas has become a joke. Yeah and I know Jesus wasn't born in December and the calendar is up the pole because the year starts in January but December is the tenth month by name. The year is supposed to start in March well that's what the Romans did. Tax time is in March so some things didn't change.
Yeah ban commercial Christmas, it drives me nuts.

glo said:

I don't know. I assume that it is a response to recent (right or wrong) concerns that in a politically correct/multi-cultural society people should not make references to Christmas; that messages should read 'Season's Greetings' rather than 'Merry Christmas' and that Christmas as a festival is being eroded.

I suppose it is the MCB's way of saying 'as Muslims we do respect that you have your Christmas traditions and if anybody is trying to ban Christmas, it isn't us'.

I just wondered what people here thought about that.
If you could ban Christmas, would you want to?

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This may come as a shock and surprise for many to read here, coz it's a Muslim writing this... but I am not about to mince my words.

When I was a kid, the festive season would see streets decorated with baubles, trees, lights and all the trappings we expect from the Christmas season... to be honest, back then - the festive cheer was something that kept people jolly. And that has to be a good thing. It may surprise and shock many of you to hear me say the following. Contrast to today, and I see hardly any homes having a tree up, or decorating their windows in order to brighten up the London gloom during the Christmas holidays... instead, I see people using Christmas as an excuse to get drunk, do drugs, fornicate/adultery and worse... by worse, I do mean WORSE.

What it boils down to, IMO - is the governments social engineering of following generations. Christmas is not really celebrated anymore is it? I don't see it really celebrated like it used to be. On my road, we used to have every other house or more - decorating the windows etc... today, only one house on the street is decorated....

....SO really... the question I ask is "who is trying to ban Christmas?" - my answer is, the government. They engineered an entire generation to not "believe" in God, by propagating bad science and worse theory on TV and radio for decades - they don't have to say "We want to ban Christmas" no... they just need for you to believe it is nonsense, andthat's exactly what happened - the next generation believed it was all nonsense, Christianity, Islam, Judaism - etc etc etc... and so, they became atheists...

... As for the MCB those guys have a sense of humour about it. I see like this: MCB is trying to wake up the REAL Christians to show them that, something very fishy has been going on... for decades.



Scimi

EDIT: afterthought:

The commercialisation of Christmas is something that can also be seen to blame. Here I was thinking Christmas presents were for the kids, and the adults knew better... these days, even adults are like children, complaining that so and so didnt get them a xmas pressie...

generation fail.

I used to like Christmas time, believe it or not. SImply because when I was a kid, people passed by and smiled during Christmas time, and wished you a merry Christmas - even knowing you weren't a Christian - I appreciated the sentiment to be fair... nowadays people will still say "merry Christmas" but not like they used to... how times have changed eh?

Don't get me started on Eid

Scimi

Hello there!

Glo hope you feel better!

i hope I dont offend anyone with my statements. Christmas is the celebration of Jesus being God or the son of God. I think this message is a clear violation of the Islamic belief and Tawheed ( oneness of Allah). I think its a desperate attempt (not the first) to show others that we are "tolerant" of others.

It is perfectly fine to dismiss the claims that Muslims are trying to ban christmas in the UK (or whatever non Islamic country) BUT there are certainly other ways that this can be done without compromising our faith and core beliefs.

We are NOT allowed to wish other people "Merry christmas"...thats like saying "I approve of you worshiping Jesus, enjoy it"

I think its really sad that we have to compromise our faith. Are we that desperate to accumulate? Culturally thats ok at times, but religiously? Never.

Some might say that christmas is not a religious holiday? Bogus. It is certainly one of the biggest Christian holidays if not second to Easter.

Just my thoughts and from a Islamic standpoint it is not ok to wish others a merry Christmas. There is plenty of Daleel for it as well.

~Ayan

Karl said:

Yeah ban commercial Christmas, it drives me nuts.

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I believe that many Christians will agree you with this.

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Actually, it's the celebration of his birth... but even then, the date is all wrong, and consolidated with the winter solstice - ie: Sun Worship...

but you gotta ask, just because Christians celebrate Christmas on the winter solstice - does that make them sun worshippers? even if the Roman Church and every denomination of Christianity also celebrates that day?

I hardly doubt that makes them sun worshippers - coz when they worship, they go to MASS, and recite from the bible(s) and not some text talking of Sun Worship.

Even in Islam, we are taught that we are to be judged according to intention and action... so why have one standard for ourselves and another for others? It's clearly a hypocrisy.

I don't celebrate Christmas - but I grew up in a land where it was celebrated a lot - and I've seen it change from celebration to commercial conquest - and even that is hardly for the sake of Sun Worship.

Its for the sake of monetary gain - another type of fake god. Money.

Scimi

EDIT: I'm guessing if Christmas is Haraam - then so must Milad un Nabi be too, right? ooh, advocacy is so exciting

You have taken my words out of content.

The entire celebration is on the belief that Jesus (peace be upon him) is God or the son of God so regardless of what is being celebrated the celebration is haram SO anything that has to do with it needs to be avoided.

1. Judge by intention? Totally irrelevant. What is the intention got to do with it if the action itself is completely contradicting the basic belief of Tawheed? Its like saying go ahead and worship jesus my dear neighbor (when I believe that My lord an d your Lord is displeased with this and that Jesus will also deny your worshipping of him).The issue here isnt if Muslims should/can celebrate it (thats pretty obvious that we cant) but rather the issue is if we should promote it or encourage others to celebrate it.

2. You are going on a tangent with the seasons and Roman gods so I will just leave that there.

3.I've lived in America for 21 years (Im 22 years old) and all my neighbors have been christians. Ive seen the bright lights and the big air filled snowman. Our neighbors know and respect us and never have we said Merry Christmas to them. There is fine line that should not and cant not be crossed. I dont see why there is a need to say this. Surely there are other ways of showing respect

3. Hypocrisy? No sir, I think its hypocritical to wish others a merry Christmas knowingly.And I personally believe celebrating Prophet Mohamed's (peace and blessings be upon him) birthday to be a innovation and not part of the Deen. He didnt celebrate it nor did ANY of his companions or the 3 generations after him. For those who do celebrate it, clearly they arent
worshipping him.

Let me ask you this sir, do you think Allah is pleased with us encouraging or wishing others a merry Christmas.Do you think the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) would have done it? Did he wish any of the Christians or Jews a happy holiday?

I am NOT in any way or shape against being tolerant. WE dont live in a Muslim run country and thus we dont have the right to ban Christmas or any other religious holiday. We should be good to our neighbors, Muslim or not and this is what Islam encourages without compromising your deen. And Allah knows best.

Yes, but there are other ways to make advice, instead you are pushing the christians further with these kind of posts. And btw, under muslim rule the christians will be allowed to celebrate their festivies, so do the pagans and jews. We are not encouraging them to celebrate it, we just leave them alone in this case. No one is wishing them 'merry christmas' or anything else.

The first steps of da'wah is to reach a common ground first.